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Nevilledog

(51,122 posts)
Sat Feb 26, 2022, 01:42 PM Feb 2022

War in 2022. Urban warfare expert advising Ukrainian civilian resistors online.




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So I've been asked what my advice would be to civilian resistors in Ukriane, especially Kyiv. Someone with no military training but wanting to resist. Here are a few things #Kyiv #UkraineUnderAttack :

You have the power but you have to fight smart. The urban defense is hell for any soldier. It usually take 5 attackers to 1 defender. Russians do not have the numbers. Turn Kyiv and any urban area leading to Kyiv into a porcupine.

Go out and build obstacles in the streets! Start with any bridge you can find (they should have been destroyed). Block them with cars, trucks, concrete, wood, trash, anything! Then block any spot in the city where there are tall buildings on each side. Already tight areas.
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If it is a street you still need to use. Build a S pattern obstacle that still slows a vehicle down. Think police check point (which you could set up if you wanted to catch saboteurs before military reach your location)
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Once you have obstacles (never stop building). I really mean thousands of barriers/obstacles. You can decided places to fight. Places to shoot from or ambush any soldier or vehicle that stops or slows down at your obstacles.

Do NOT stand in the open and shoot or throw anything (to include molotov cocktail) at a Russian soldier or vehicles. Shoot from windows, behind cars, around alleyway corners. Build positions (concrete best) to fire from.

You must prepare for the Russians to start using artillery to help their troops. Make sure the places you choose to shoot from are strong. If in a building, make holes in the walls so you can shoot from and bigger ones to move to other rooms or buildings. You must survive.

Yes, use your molotov cocktails. Think about where you will stand to throw (then run). Dropping from windows above vehicles most ideal. Vehicles without weapons on top the most vulnerable, but if it is armor, choose where to hit.
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Form into groups. Ideally 3 to 5 and decided where to shoot at Russians from. You get to decide. Best if coordinated with another group and using your obstacles to slow something and shoot at from concealed and protected positions.

Again, your survival to fight is important so think hard about where you will shoot from. Elevated positions down long streets. Shoot and run. Ambushes. Aim for the windows and doors of non-armor vehicles. Soldiers in open. One of the greatest fears of a soldier is a sniper.
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You are not a sniper, but you can put fear in their hearts if they think there are snipers everywhere. Again take care of yourselves to be able to resist. Drink water. 3 days without water and you won't be able to fight. More later.
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War in 2022. Urban warfare expert advising Ukrainian civilian resistors online. (Original Post) Nevilledog Feb 2022 OP
Interesting paradox Throck Feb 2022 #1
I would add that when shooting from within a building to a target outside, don't stand right in Victor_c3 Feb 2022 #2
Kick dalton99a Feb 2022 #3
What makes "John Spencer" on Twitter an "expert" in urban warfare? former9thward Feb 2022 #4
Good enough for you? Nevilledog Feb 2022 #5
No, where has he actually fought urban warfare? former9thward Feb 2022 #6
Hahaha Nevilledog Feb 2022 #8
So the answer is nowhere. former9thward Feb 2022 #9
Wrong. Or is that not "urban"? Nevilledog Feb 2022 #11
I am sure you know we fought no urban warfare in Iraq of the type described in the OP. former9thward Feb 2022 #13
Hahaha again. Nevilledog Feb 2022 #14
Well we certainly did fight in urban environments though EX500rider Feb 2022 #19
Huh? Happy Hoosier Feb 2022 #12
I have a beef with self appointed "experts" former9thward Feb 2022 #15
What do you think he is saying that is wrong? Happy Hoosier Feb 2022 #16
I guess I have more faith in people who have actually done what they are teaching. former9thward Feb 2022 #17
Well, I guess don't follow his advice next time you engage in urban warfare then. Crunchy Frog Feb 2022 #20
Iraq JHB Feb 2022 #18
Apparently not good enough for some. Mind boggling. Nevilledog Mar 2022 #23
My 2022 answer would be sarisataka Feb 2022 #7
Rts TY! Cha Feb 2022 #10
Great information. Thanks for posting and for linking to in another thread. . . .nt Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2022 #21
K&R BlueWavePsych Mar 2022 #22

Throck

(2,520 posts)
1. Interesting paradox
Sat Feb 26, 2022, 01:49 PM
Feb 2022

In Vietnam the cities were more secure than the countryside during the US years there. Even the Tet offensive was beaten back.

What I fear is the Russians would do a Warsaw ghetto scenario on the citizens. Surround and isolate city then start demolishing it. Don't underestimate the lack of morality of Putin.

Victor_c3

(3,557 posts)
2. I would add that when shooting from within a building to a target outside, don't stand right in
Sat Feb 26, 2022, 01:51 PM
Feb 2022

Front of a window. Stand as far back inside the room as possible so it makes it harder to identify who/where the shooter is.

In Iraq, I saw a lot of enemy personnel standing in the window shooting at me. They were oblivious to how easy of a target they made.

Nevilledog

(51,122 posts)
5. Good enough for you?
Sat Feb 26, 2022, 03:24 PM
Feb 2022

Maj. (ret) John W. Spencer is the Chair of Urban Warfare Studies at the Modern War Institute at West Point and Co-Director of MWI's Urban Warfare Project.

Nevilledog

(51,122 posts)
8. Hahaha
Sat Feb 26, 2022, 04:34 PM
Feb 2022

Glad to know you find the Chair of the West Point Urban Warfare Studies, Modern Warfare Institute "lacking"


Nevilledog

(51,122 posts)
11. Wrong. Or is that not "urban"?
Sat Feb 26, 2022, 04:40 PM
Feb 2022

Colonel (CA) John Spencer is chair of urban warfare studies at the Modern War Institute, codirector of MWI’s Urban Warfare Project, and host of the Urban Warfare Project Podcast. He previously served as a fellow with the chief of staff of the Army’s Strategic Studies Group. He served twenty-five years as an infantry soldier, which included two combat tours in Iraq.


https://mwi.usma.edu/defending-the-city-an-overview-of-defensive-tactics-from-the-modern-history-of-urban-warfare/

former9thward

(32,025 posts)
15. I have a beef with self appointed "experts"
Sat Feb 26, 2022, 05:14 PM
Feb 2022

telling other people how to die. We have not fought in urban warfare, of the type in the OP, since WW II. Almost a CENTURY ago. Things have changed since then.

former9thward

(32,025 posts)
17. I guess I have more faith in people who have actually done what they are teaching.
Sat Feb 26, 2022, 05:21 PM
Feb 2022

Academic titles don't mean much to me when it comes to war.

JHB

(37,161 posts)
18. Iraq
Sat Feb 26, 2022, 05:46 PM
Feb 2022
https://mwi.usma.edu/staff/john-spencer/

John W. Spencer currently serves as the Chair of Urban Warfare Studies at the Modern War Institute, Co-Director of the Urban Warfare Project, and host of the Urban Warfare Project podcast.

He served over twenty-five years in the Army as an infantry soldier having held ranks from Private to Sergeant First Class and Second Lieutenant to Major. His assignments as an active duty Army officer included two combat deployments to Iraq as both an Infantry Platoon Leader and Company Commander, a Ranger Instructor with the Army’s Ranger School, a Joint Chief of Staff and Army Staff intern, fellow with the Chief of Staff of the Army’s Strategic Studies Group, Strategic Planner and then Deputy Director of the Modern War Institute where he was instrumental in the design and formation of the institute.

He currently serves as a Colonel in the California State Guard with assignment to the 40th Infantry Division, California Army National Guard as the Director of Urban Warfare Training. His research focuses on military operations in dense urban areas, megacities, urban and subterranean warfare.

He is an international recognized subject matter expert in urban warfare that regularly consults for United States Army Forces Command units, Training and Doctrine Command, Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA), United Nations, and many others military and national security organizations.
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