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KS Toronado

(17,259 posts)
Sat Feb 26, 2022, 02:14 PM Feb 2022

Are more Russian troops refusing to fight Ukrainians?

Only about a third of the troops Putler had stationed on Ukraine's border have entered the country. Plus
Putler asked Kazakhstan to send troops to help him, they turned him down.

So what's going on there? Are factions of the Russian army refusing to fight, that's he's begging for help?
And if some are refusing to fight, Putler is surely trying to keep that information under wraps. He's got a
10 to 1 advantage over Ukraine and he's asking for help, something's amiss here.

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Terry_M

(745 posts)
1. It takes time time to move the troops with resistance along the way
Sat Feb 26, 2022, 02:19 PM
Feb 2022

Also 200k troops arent all meant to be moved in to occupy, you have to establish checkpoints and supply lines behind the occupation force.

KS Toronado

(17,259 posts)
8. Thanks for the link.
Sat Feb 26, 2022, 02:37 PM
Feb 2022

" ......Russia was using mobile crematoriums to conceal its own soldiers’ deaths from the world."
Holy shit.....I'm speechless

Captain Zero

(6,811 posts)
4. Maybe Putler has moved them to Ukraine, so they aren't around Moscow.
Sat Feb 26, 2022, 02:22 PM
Feb 2022

He may have sent them there to have Ukraine kill them. He knows they don't like him?

BlueIdaho

(13,582 posts)
5. I'm sure their military leaders
Sat Feb 26, 2022, 02:24 PM
Feb 2022

Are trying to do the most with the fewest casualties possible - so they are likely holding a reserve should things go pear shaped.

Having said that - I hope the grunts on the ground see how pointless and cruel this all is and walk away.

Bayard

(22,099 posts)
6. Another reason for the rolling crematoriums
Sat Feb 26, 2022, 02:26 PM
Feb 2022

Any troops that refuse to fight are no doubt summarily shot.

sarisataka

(18,663 posts)
7. If you are aware of Soviet/Russian battlefield Doctrine
Sat Feb 26, 2022, 02:37 PM
Feb 2022

It is not puzzling at all.

They know at some point any attack is going to bog down however the defenders will also be weary. At that point they bring in fresh troops to resume the attack. Repeat as necessary. Victory is achieved through inexorable pressure.

sarisataka

(18,663 posts)
12. We, meaning those who do not have access to high level intelligence,
Sat Feb 26, 2022, 02:49 PM
Feb 2022

Do not know exactly where the 2nd Eshelon forces are at this moment.

You do want your troops close enough to react and get the momentum back going as quickly as possible. However you also need to keep your MSRs (Main Supply Routes)open and not clogged with troops waiting their turn. Also it is necessary to keep those troops far enough back that they cannot be easily struck with artillery or from the air.

Modern militarys can move faster than in World War II so even at 50 to 60 miles behind they can be up to the front and fighting within 3 hours of being called.

KS Toronado

(17,259 posts)
14. I was stupidly guessing the the Capitol City of Kyiv
Sat Feb 26, 2022, 03:20 PM
Feb 2022

was 50/60 miles from the Ukraine/Belarus border by looking at the maps I'd seen on TV. A little WWW
search tells me it's actually 140 miles, news this morning said only 1/3 of Putler's troops had crossed the
border into Ukraine. IMO, something is amiss and it has nothing to do with logistics or tactics.

Samrob

(4,298 posts)
11. I will really get excited when Russian troops not only refuse to fight but join the Ukrainians.
Sat Feb 26, 2022, 02:45 PM
Feb 2022

I really suspect some might do that once they learn how dear leader is being received around the world. If we could just break through their communication and let them hear what is happening around the world.

KS Toronado

(17,259 posts)
13. I'd love to see "Anonymous" take over the military airwaves
Sat Feb 26, 2022, 02:57 PM
Feb 2022

with a "put down your weapons, we lost the war, surrender to Ukrainians, give Ukraine all of our tanks
and other motorized vehicles, walk back home unarmed" messages. Keep 'em confused & disoriented.

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