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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsMichael McFaul: I've watched and listened to Putin for over thirty years. He has changed.
Link to tweet
Ocelot II
(115,735 posts)ProudMNDemocrat
(16,786 posts)dchill
(38,505 posts)mountain grammy
(26,624 posts)perfect!!
SheltieLover
(57,073 posts)Sogo
(4,986 posts)saying the same thing....that Putin's changed....
Corgigal
(9,291 posts)It is alarming. I hope Putins doctor knows, and somebody better be ready to take action.
KS Toronado
(17,259 posts)Like help him "accidentally" fall out a 20 story window
LisaL
(44,973 posts)Trumps doctors were claiming he is healthy as a horse and totally fit. Do you expect Putin's doctors to do otherwise?
raccoon
(31,111 posts)COL Mustard
(5,906 posts)Of course, we do, but we didn't use it when we needed to.
Srkdqltr
(6,297 posts)I think that is the quote.
machoneman
(4,007 posts)certainot
(9,090 posts)that's what their authoritarian followers worship them for. they reduce the world to absolutes to help their minions turn their right hand masturbation-based fear of uncertainty and complication into simple black and white, good evil, existing and destroyed, the greatest and the worst. that's why they thrive in chaos and uncertainty - it increases their contrast with the uncertainty their followers fear. they must also help their followers rationalize their denial of reality to accept that comforting certainty, which is usually based in long established fantasies like religions and other value structures, biases, bigotries, lies, etc.
once that brain circuitry is well established and the leader gets really good at rationalizing the denial of reality to create certainty for anything, the power becomes, in their mind, absolute, so they can do anything and there's no need to imagine consequences
'leaders' like that are essentially insane but it's the far end of a spectrum that's been normalized for centuries with kings and queens, popes and bishops, etc
added to that aging sex on the wrong brain insanity he may also be feeling pushed into a corner and desperate if he got some notice that the kremlin might be exposed for international propaganda operations used to sell global warming and covid denial that's getting millions killed, push migration surges to destabilize democracies, etc.
dalton99a
(81,516 posts)dchill
(38,505 posts)Bad news in a paranoid megalomaniac.
Demovictory9
(32,457 posts)ms liberty
(8,580 posts)I agree with him, and he's far better informed and knowledgeable than I.
maxsolomon
(33,345 posts)He's always been a Nationalist. He's always been willing to kill. He's always been ruthless. He's always been a sociopath.
Budi
(15,325 posts)Same person, different day.
leftieNanner
(15,124 posts)Now from several sources.
Not good news that he's a WORSE ruthless sociopathic killer.
With nukes.
maxsolomon
(33,345 posts)most of that is opinions based on analysis of speeches, his long tables, his reported isolation.
i'm more inclined to think this is the culmination of his long term revanchist ambitions. ukraine's 2014 revolution was an insult he couldn't abide, and the measured reaction of the west to seizing crimea emboldened him.
it's likely he's always believed this bullshit rationalization of russia's imperial rights to ukraine.
COL Mustard
(5,906 posts)He's acting like a fascist.
SergeStorms
(19,204 posts)I think he's ill, possibly facing some terminal disease. It's definitely effecting his mind as well. Someone in the government or the military has to step in a remove him from power. He's doing the country and people of Russia absolutely no good with this unhinged blood lust of his.
Igel
(35,320 posts)It's just that he appears more free to express himself and less constrained. Perhaps he's feeling his megalomania more, perhaps he's feeling embattled, perhaps as others have said he's concerned with his legacy.
And the media are less prone to overlook his loony utterances.
empedocles
(15,751 posts)intrepidity
(7,307 posts)such as Alzheimer's.
Danascot
(4,690 posts)... didn't happen.
SergeStorms
(19,204 posts)and Trump's enemies were scared of nasty tweets. Who do you think has more to fear?
Just goes to show what a bunch of gutless worms the current crop of republicans are.
Cha
(297,322 posts)trump
Hekate
(90,714 posts)🌻🌻🌻🌻🌻🌻🌻🌻🌻🌻🌻🌻🌻🌻🌻🌻🌻🌻🌻🌻🌻🌻🌻🌻🌻🌻🌻🌻🌻🌻🌻🌻🌻🌻🌻
nolabear
(41,987 posts)Old ladies dont play. 🌻🌻🌻🌻🌻
Ocelot II
(115,735 posts)that talks about how autocrats become more and more isolated as they become more powerful. They surround themselves entirely with sycophants, enablers and opportunists who dare not tell the boss anything he doesn't want to hear; as a result they believe things that are manifestly untrue but that support their belief in their own power and all-around excellence. This is what happened to Hitler. It also happened and continues to happen to TFG, who was given only those polls that showed him winning the election. Putin is said to be extremely isolated, and it's entirely possible that he didn't know his army is in shit shape, that Ukraine would fight back hard, or that NATO would unite against him, because his flunkies were afraid to tell him.
Budi
(15,325 posts)Isolated by their power.
nolabear
(41,987 posts)Ocelot II
(115,735 posts)nolabear
(41,987 posts)CloudWatcher
(1,850 posts)... has led to increased isolation. So now his advisors are even more united in insanity.
Budi
(15,325 posts)And Trump failed them all.
The American citizens elected Joe Biden & no desperate attempt to change that decision succeeded.
Putin is beholding to his promise & he's gone mad with desperation.
Trump assured Putin he was just the man to deliver the head of the US Govt to the RU global criminal org.
Trump told Putin, "Pick ME Vlad, what have you got to lose?!"
😬
mountain grammy
(26,624 posts)He expected a second term as the force behind the American president and he's angry! This is to hurt Biden, just like anti vaxxers.. it's all to discredit Democrats so we can hear "Biden's weak" over and over again. His moves to destablize America had been working so well, right up to the election.
I realize this may sound small and conspiratorial, but that's who republicans and Putin are.
Ocelot II
(115,735 posts)Over time, exerting this kind of power can lead an autocrat to believe his own propaganda and act on his worst impulses, leading not just to the destruction of his foreign enemies, but to destabilizing situations at home that can jeopardize his rule. We saw, for example, the thousands of Russians participating in anti-war protests over the past days. A Russian platoon allegedly surrendered to Ukrainian troops when they realized they were sent there to kill Ukrainians.
As is typical with strongmen, the present international crisis reflects Putin's private preoccupations what haunts him, as well as what he takes for granted due to his arrogance.
https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/msnbc-opinion/russia-s-ukraine-invasion-could-lead-putin-s-downfall-n1289955
demmiblue
(36,865 posts)the people who surround him:
Russias growing isolation has strengthened the siloviki who surround the president
...
In Putins telling, he was alone with his top security officials when he made one of the most fateful decisions of his political career.
Since then, Russias growing isolation has only strengthened the so-called siloviki, the Russian security men who have surrounded him, many of whom served in the KGB and have maintained conservative, often conspiratorial political views.
We do not know exactly how Putin makes his most important political decisions. Tatyana Stanovaya, the founder of political analysts R.Politik, recently divided the Russian elite into two groups: technocrats who dominate government but have no remit to interfere in security matters and the siloviki who dominate the agenda, fuel Putins anxieties and provoke and escalate tension.
As Russia gathers troops and appears ready to launch an attack in Ukraine, these security advisers may have an outsize effect on what happens next.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/feb/04/putin-security-elite-siloviki-russia
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)technique from his pet poodle, and Hitler and others. If these days a buffoon like tRump can succeed by swamping his nation with nothing but absurd lies that feed his followers' fear and grievances,...
lastlib
(23,248 posts)An EXCELLENT book! I've been reading it, and she has a lot to say about Putin and his minion tRump (none of it good of course). I HIGHLY recommend it!
eta: Alibris.com had it at a good price!
madamesilverspurs
(15,805 posts)Maybe slow poison, doing to him what he's done to others, but less obvious. Hey, it's not like he hangs out in tall buildings with open windows. Lavrov would no doubt welcome an excuse to just walk in and take over . . .
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calimary
(81,322 posts)I dont know that much about him.
I HAVE been taking more note of Putin. And everybody Ive seen him with, in photos, is taller than he is.
Forgive me, but I cant help but wonder whether hes got a short-guy complex. His whole pursuit of power strongly suggests a wish to assert dominance in other ways. I also cant help but suspect he has other - um - deficiencies.
colorado_ufo
(5,734 posts)I thought that he looked poisoned in the last video I saw. I do not think Lavrov can be trusted. There may be more to Putin's distancing himself from everyone besides a fear of Covid-19. Putting a lot of physical space between him and any of his advisors helps prevent a Julius Caesar scenario.
BGBD
(3,282 posts)He's putting on a show to make others think he's lost his mind so that they are afraid to call his bluff. It's what Trump just spent years doing.
calimary
(81,322 posts)AlexSFCA
(6,139 posts)bucolic_frolic
(43,182 posts)spanone
(135,844 posts)WITH NUKES
BlackSkimmer
(51,308 posts)Frightening.
groundloop
(11,519 posts)Putin was masterful at manipulating 45*, I still recall the meeting between them which 45* walked out of looking like a whipped puppy with his tail between his legs. He was almost genius at using 45*'s own greed and arrogance against the interests of the US. And it wasn't all that long ago either.
I certainly hope that his "adventures" in Ukraine lead to a glorious crash-and-burn so that the world can be rid of him.
BlackSkimmer
(51,308 posts)This is dangerous.
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intrepidity
(7,307 posts)"Go batshit crazy, say anything you want, the more outrageous, the more people will love you!"
For TFG, it's been a winning strategy.
Jarqui
(10,126 posts)dangerous to have a guy like that with access to nuclear weapons ...
dawn5651
(604 posts)uponit7771
(90,347 posts)struggle4progress
(118,295 posts)The Unmitigated Gall
(3,819 posts)Whats going on with this guy. He doesnt look very healthy. I pray there are people like the Colonel who saved the world in 1983 are present and able to defy orders for planetary suicide.
ultralite001
(894 posts)Moon faced... rambling... behavior changes... like some folks on steroids...
Moon facies:
[link:https://www.healthline.com/health/moon-face#definition|
NewHendoLib
(60,015 posts)halfulglas
(1,654 posts)With his isolating himself over the last 2 years because of Covid, I wonder if he didn't have it during that time and maybe be a long hauler.
And of course I can't help thinking of how much the anti-American Republicans make fun of Joe Biden because of his care taken to wear his mask in public and set a good example. But Putin sits at a 50 foot table across from a single person and that crowd doesn't think this is odd? He makes it look like his usual power plays like sitting on a higher chair than others, but to me it looks like fear the other person if closer may see something in his face or he's afraid of catching the virus.
LisaL
(44,973 posts)At some point in the past his eyes looked to be pulled toward the back of the head, like happens with a face lift. It's settled now. He is 68 and wants to look a lot younger.
He might be injecting fillers to prevent wrinkles.
Chicagogrl1
(419 posts)Is that hes not physically well. Possible neuro illness which would explain his change in behavior.
LisaL
(44,973 posts)That would really be bad news. Parkinsons can cause all kind of mental problems, psychosis, hallucinations, delusions. But I don't think he has it.
Chicagogrl1
(419 posts)Backseat Driver
(4,393 posts)The oligarchs want THEIR money back; he did not deliver the USA via the TFG!
Evolve Dammit
(16,743 posts)Cherokee100
(266 posts)Trump must be sharing his private stash with him. . Being he thinks Pooty, is such a genius.
Enoki33
(1,587 posts)Putin has changed. That does not change the fact that Putin has been planning the invasion for a long time. His isolation and miscalculations may have contributed to him thinking the time was right to move. I also suspect that the oligarchs, who will pay a heavy price, will ultimately find an open window on the fifth floor for Putin.
LetMyPeopleVote
(145,321 posts)KY_EnviroGuy
(14,492 posts)Fear and greed eventually enters and consumes human minds where excess power and wealth exists....
Thanks for posting this, Demmiblue........
C Moon
(12,213 posts)Hell never have another chance.
I still think that hes either having mental problems or hes been told he wont live much longer. Hes sure acting like the latter.
LetMyPeopleVote
(145,321 posts)Putin has changed https://www.rawstory.com/putin-2656798686/
Link to tweet
"I completely agree with that," Walder replied. "That is one thing that I have noticed lately, even -- and I know this sounds superficial -- but if you really just look at pictures of him, which I tend to do quite a bit, the shape of his face has even changed. He looks different, he speaks differently, and he's crossed over to what I think I consider to be almost the dark side of history."
"Look, Putin was never a friend, if you will, but most of the things that he was doing was really sort of cyber, psychological operations, those kinds of things," she added. "Now he's really crossed over sort of that red line into, you know, this full military warfare, but then part of me wonders if we should be this surprised."
Martin68
(22,822 posts)projection might be involved. Trump[ and Putin work out of the same playbook: always accuse your enemy of doing what you are doing.
Warpy
(111,277 posts)They get surrounded by yes men who want to succeed them, get disconnected from reality, get paranoid, and start making crazier and crazier decisions until they get overthrown.
Had he bowed out gracefully at their last election, he might have been regarded as one of the better leaders.
This progression isn't universal but it's common enough that autocrats, even true reformers, need to be avoided.
lindysalsagal
(20,692 posts)Defenses, and emotional stability. All of this felt good
to him when he imagined it. Not so good, now that thousands are protesting, and the world is balking.