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I dont know how much to credit this. The Republican Party as such is a bunch of spineless weasels afraid of the MAGA monster Trump unleashed.Los Angeles Times 2-26-2022
Since the 2016 election and Russian efforts to help Donald Trumps presidential campaign against Hillary Clinton, U.S. attitudes toward Moscow have featured a stew of partisan memes, personal grievances and Cold War tropes, all superimposed on top of the inevitable tensions between two big international powers.
As wars have so often done, the Russian invasion of Ukraine predicted for weeks, but still a shock has quickly begun to clarify who stands where.
One result has been to highlight how little support Trumps Russia-friendly attitudes have within his party.
Some Republican elected officials have used the occasion to criticize President Biden, mostly by asserting that he has failed to take a tough enough stance. Very few have echoed the favorable comments about Russian President Vladimir Putin that in recent weeks have come from Trump and Tucker Carlson, the influential Fox News commentator.
That could have big consequences.
In the short term, Biden faces relatively little domestic opposition to ratcheting up economic sanctions against Russia. Hesitancy by European allies will constrain him more than domestic concerns.
The one line the public clearly does not want to cross is any use of American troops White House spokespeople have repeatedly emphasized that Biden will not do that.
Longer term: Its possible, although by no means certain, that widely aired pictures of civilian death and destruction in Ukraine at Putins orders will undermine support for Trump and other Putin apologists.
The mainstream of American public opinion has flowed against Russia for most of the last decade. (Re: 2014 Crimea) (Re: Gallup Polls)
Dissent from that mainstream, anti-Russian view has come largely from two directions.
On the left, a fairly small, but notable, segment views U.S. involvement overseas as a continuation of past imperialist adventures
They also have highlighted the uglier sides of Ukrainian nationalism, which includes militias with clearly antisemitic and anti-democratic programs. And theyve called for Ukraine to agree to abandon its goal of eventually joining NATO, while also urging Russia to show restraint.
As a share of the American electorate, however, the anti-imperialist left is in the single-digit range. Support for Putin has come more from the right, from Trump and some of his allies.
(Trump said) This is genius. Putin declares a big portion of the Ukraine of Ukraine Putin declares it as independent, Trump said. Oh, thats wonderful. So, Putin is now saying, Its independent, a large section of Ukraine. I said, How smart is that? And hes gonna go in and be a peacekeeper. Theyre gonna keep peace all right, he added. Heres a guy whos very savvy. .
A highly visible coterie of pro-Trump figures have adopted the same position.
.Stephen K. Bannon, for example, has hailed Putin as an upholder of traditional values, singling out for praise the Russian leaders opposition to gay rights.
Besides Trump, the most high-profile conservative defender of the Russian leader has been Tucker Carlson
Despite the large audiences those figures draw, theyve had limited impact on the views of GOP voters.
(Re: polls by YouGov and others. More at link)
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gratuitous
(82,849 posts)But the stink of Putin's failure isn't going to shake that easily.
Hekate
(90,714 posts)True Blue American
(17,986 posts)On various boards mean anything I am seeing a huge change since Putin invaded Ukraine. Far righters are angry at Putin.
True Blue American
(17,986 posts)How far the West Pointer has fallen!
BlueIdaho
(13,582 posts)We need to marry these jackals to Putin and TFG. No wriggling off the hook. Its the pottery barn rule - remember?
Hang that albatross around their necks.
Love the phrase "Pottery Barn rule".
keithbvadu2
(36,829 posts)New republican meme of Trump's regime::: Russia is our friend
mcar
(42,334 posts)After 5 years of IMPOTUS II and Putin love, now they're saying "never mind" and we're supposed to applaud.
Tom Rinaldo
(22,913 posts)It's one thing for an autocrat to posture as being "tough", it's another to be exposed as being outright sadistic and power mad. Putin is blowing the cover of those on the American right who had been making some headway positioning themselves (with Putin's help) as representative of "real American values."
Wingus Dingus
(8,054 posts)party of Dubya and Dick and the Neocons, the NRA--that is quite an achievement. They successfully exploited our open policies of internet and social media (and then amplified and exploited our political/social differences) to great advantage, with great harm to our nation--and without firing a shot.
Hekate
(90,714 posts)Wingus Dingus
(8,054 posts)authoritarian tendencies, bigotry and xenophobia that already existed in the GOP base. Russian messaging helped prime them for the Donnie Dipshit takeover. Even the GOP congress and party leaders weren't ready for what happened. They were condemning Trump right up until he was the nominee.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)to lead them and rolled over all the expectations of the wealth-serving Republican leadership. Russian tanks as a simile comes to mind at the moment; many do want tRump to be more like Putin, of course. The other RW powers managed to put them all to their use again anyway, though.
11 Bravo
(23,926 posts)gldstwmn
(4,575 posts)No money, no honey.
gab13by13
(21,360 posts)Every damn Republican, except Kinzinger and Cheney must be kept tied to Trump, to Putler, and to Fox.
Make the MSM ask them if they support Trump's position on Putler.
Pompeo refused to answer a reporter's question about Putler, and his bodyguard knocked the reporter out of the way.
Qutzupalotl
(14,317 posts)SWBTATTReg
(22,133 posts)freedom fighters are in Ukraine, eh? The hypocrisy of those touting the Russian line have all faded away to a whimper when they were double-crossed by putin and his lies, so he can invade Ukraine.
The irony is rich. Hypocrites all caught in their web of lies, those making up the Russian lies, as well as those believing the Russian lies.
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)Aristus
(66,388 posts)as the Allies got closer.
bullwinkle428
(20,629 posts)Lady Freedom Returns
(14,120 posts)The Rethugs used to preach it up one way and down the other.
My how things change.