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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsThe fact we are cooperating with Russia on the space program is madness
That is all. Carry on....
JHB
(37,163 posts)...are supposed to get home without walking?
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,716 posts)For rhe second time. The first time was in 2014. I don't think they've been up there eight years.
JHB
(37,163 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,716 posts)The NAZIS were interested in rocketry too. Space exploration isn't synonymous with rocketry but it's close enough. I wouldn't have recommended working with them either.
JHB
(37,163 posts)...NASA's new heavy-lifers are starting to come on line.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,716 posts)I don't know why they would like to continue working with us either.
former9thward
(32,093 posts)Until very recently we have had to depend on Russia to transport astronauts to the station.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,716 posts)electric_blue68
(14,955 posts)do their work and advance human knowledge in various ways.
The Association of Space Explorers consists of
current, and former astronauts, and cosmonauts. It was formed by both groups.
The bulk in the earlier years were Americans AND Russians. In fact it started about 5+ years before the fall of The Soviet Union.
Now it has 400 astronauts, and cosmonauts from
35 different countries.
denbot
(9,901 posts)JI7
(89,276 posts)Russia is not the enemy . Putin is .
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,716 posts)Their government has invaded an infinitely weaker and smaller neighbor and implicitly threatened destruction of any nation that intervenes.
JI7
(89,276 posts)Americans when Bush and Trump were in office ?
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,716 posts)And if terrorists killed 4,000 Russians and Ukraine was harboring them I would have supported a Russian invasion of them.
CrackityJones75
(2,403 posts)why doesnt a massive country just get up and leave if they dont like it.
Gimme a break.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,716 posts)USALiberal
(10,877 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,716 posts)LisaL
(44,974 posts)Is US going to take them?
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,716 posts)BlackSkimmer
(51,308 posts)Its not that easy.
Bobstandard
(1,328 posts)Not going to war. Examples of international cooperation should be honored and emulated. Examples of international conflict condemned, resisted, and ended.
Call me Pollyanna
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,716 posts)Should we have cooperated with them?
former9thward
(32,093 posts)in missile development. That would not have worked out too well...
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,716 posts)A Faustan Bargain for sure but in that instance you could at least argue the end justifies the means. I'm not convinced that argument can be made in the current instance.
former9thward
(32,093 posts)I don't think much useful is being done anymore there and we should end it. If Ukraine is needed for an excuse then so be it.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,716 posts)It's better to make friends than enemies but our interests diverged . Putin has said the disollution of the Soviet empire was the greatest catastrophe of the twentieth century.In retrospect maybe we will say it was inevitable. I don't see how two nations as diametrically opposed as we are can cooperate on something as sensitive as space exploration. I don't think they want to work with us anymore either.
raging moderate
(4,311 posts)I have always thought that we should have built our own space station (or our own wing of the space station), built by the US and maybe our allies. It feels like we are not pulling our own weight in this program, in the infrastructure and transportation aspects. And it was sad, several years ago, when Putin was angry at the US and was able to threaten to stop our scientists from being allowed to travel to the space station. NASA should have been more fully funded, a long time ago. They have done magnificently, with what they have been given. Imagine what they could do with a little more funding. Plus, if the first space station suddenly got disabled, wouldn't it be good to have a second space station nearby?
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,716 posts)Last edited Sun Feb 27, 2022, 01:27 AM - Edit history (1)
I assume it's idle musings but should we work with those people?
BlackSkimmer
(51,308 posts)I was unaware of this. Is there a link?
FSogol
(45,532 posts)BlackSkimmer
(51,308 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,716 posts)After President Joe Biden announced new sanctions Thursday that will degrade their (Russias) aerospace industry, including their space program, Roscosmos Director General Dmitry Rogozin said on Twitter that the stations orbit and location in space are controlled by Russian engines.
If you block cooperation with us, who will save the International Space Station (ISS) from an uncontrolled deorbit and fall into the United States or
Europe? Rogozin said. There is also the possibility of a 500-ton structure falling on India and China. Do you want to threaten them with such a prospect? The ISS does not fly over Russia, therefore all the risks are yours. Are you ready for them?
https://www.cnn.com/2022/02/24/politics/russian-space-agency-us-sanctions-international-space-station/index.html
BlackSkimmer
(51,308 posts)Spider Jerusalem
(21,786 posts)since Russia was the only other country besides the US with an active crewed space launch program they made a natural partner for NASA and the European Space Agency in creating and maintaining the International Space Station (and the demise of the space shuttle program and the lack of a replacement crewed launch vehicle meant Soyuz was the only option).
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,716 posts)It might have made sense before Putin decided to fulfill his revanchist dreams and literally threatened "the worst consequences in history" to any entity that interferes.
raging moderate
(4,311 posts)Maybe we should resurrect the space shuttle program and work toward building a launch vehicle or two, plus another International Space Station.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,716 posts)If we value space exploration we should be able to fund it without cooperating with a fascist power.
raging moderate
(4,311 posts)This is an important goal, and we should be able to achieve it.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,716 posts)raging moderate
(4,311 posts)You are certainly right!
Metaphorical
(1,604 posts)was essential in keeping the US in space after the Challenger disaster grounded the fleet. However, it can be argued that it also spurred the rise of the commercial space carriers like SpaceX, and is likely to see multiple national stations in LEO (low Earth orbit) within the next couple of decades. It's worth remembering that the ISS was itself an experiment, one intended to study the feasibility of LEO space stations, and the experiment has proven to be relatively successful. The Chinese are expected to launch their own space station before 2030, the US have five different space stations in the works (the public Lunar Gateway and the private Axiom, Starlab, and Orbital Reef stations, along with another TBD), the Russians are planning on two (ROSS and LOS (a lunar orbiting station)) and the Indians have one (through ISRO).
Be careful not to confuse the Russians with Putin. I work regularly with a colleague in Chechnya, and he's as angry and appalled by this as most in the West are.
hunter
(38,334 posts)... Europe is dependent on.
These Russian fossil fuel exports are specifically exempted from the upcoming SWIFT sanctions.
Authorities in US, Europe and the UK appear to have agreed a way to minimise these vulnerabilities by excluding the banks least involved in energy transactions or finding a way of filtering transactions to allow through energy and food payments.
--more--
https://www.bbc.com/news/business-60543995
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,716 posts)Our weapons are literally killing their soldiers. Putin has put his nuclear weapons on high alert in response to what he calls NATO provocations. Are those conditions for cooperation on anything, especially something as sensitive as space exploration?
hunter
(38,334 posts)I doubt the Russians are developing any super-secret weapons technology on a 23 year old space platform while their fellow scientists from other nations are sleeping.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,716 posts)USALiberal
(10,877 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,716 posts)BlackSkimmer
(51,308 posts)Ashamed to say, I only learned this today.
I dont get it.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,716 posts)BlackSkimmer
(51,308 posts)That seems like an easy decision, considering everything going on?