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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsI absolutely love it when somebody proves me wrong in a good way.
As some of you might already know, I am of Ukrainian descent, and I have numerous family members living in Ukraine at the moment.
When it comes to Ukrainian politics, I personally haven't gotten much of a dog in that fight--so long as the politician isn't like Viktor Yanukovych, who was stealing billions out of the Ukrainian treasury, cozy with Vladimir Putin and then engaging in a bloody crackdown on public protests in 2013 and 2014 before packing up and flying away to Russia.
But for the rest, I've tried to stay objective and let Ukrainians themselves decide who is best to lead them.
That being said, I did get a lot of input from my Ukrainian relatives and needless to say, when Volodymyr Zelensky was elected in 2019, a lot of them were highly skeptical of his leadership abilities.
He had no elected experience, was just an actor and comedian, didn't have as great a command of the local language as they liked, and his campaign platform seemed to be pursuing a dubious "Peace with honor" style plan where the separatist regions in the East would be given semi-autonomous status and thus could still very well be influenced by Russia even if Putin claims to have backed off. The fear was that because Zelensky was a complete novice, he could be easily manipulated or dominated by the Kremlin, even if that wasn't Zelensky's own intention.
I actually was able to watch the first season of Zelensky's now-prophetic "Servant of the People" show and while it was humorous and entertaining, I doubted fiction could easily be translated into real life.
So needless to say, their skepticism--which I found justified for reasons at the time--became my skepticism about Zelensky's ability to lead as well.
However, I am very happy to say that I have been proven wrong by Volodymyr Zelensky, in the very best of ways.
Zelensky has absolutely grown into his role as Ukrainian President flawlessly and not let anyone--most importantly Putin himself--push him or his people around.
He proved his mettle pretty early on when he resisted Donald Trump's efforts to shake him down for political and personal gain to the detriment of his country's defense.
That proved a good preparation for future tests to come.
Some people you know will be strong leaders from the get-go. Others catch you completely by surprise.
My doubts about Zelensky have turned out to be unfounded.
He has proven himself to my favorite kind of hero--the unexpected hero, the reluctant hero. The type of hero who does not seek out greatness but has greatness thrust upon him.
His unflinching dedication to his people and his country in this time of greatest trial have been phenomenal. And he has done so all while maintaining democratic and peaceful values.
So yes, I have been officially won over by Volodymyr Zelensky, and I couldn't be happier to say that all my initial doubts about him were completely wrong.
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bigtree
(90,276 posts)Tadpole Raisin
(1,561 posts)Lead by example. He sure is taking that to heart!
housecat
(3,138 posts)Mr. Evil
(2,998 posts)hid in the White House bunker because of some protesters like a scared little baby.
Pachamama
(17,031 posts)But I think that what makes a leader, what makes a person and their character often doesnt show itself until tested.
Zelensky has shown and demonstrated himself to be a leader and a man of great courage and character, respect and honor.
Unlike many others, TFG and definitely Putin who have none of these characteristics
Native
(6,668 posts)Cha
(305,823 posts)smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)comedian. That's like saying Al Franken isn't qualified because he was also once a comedian.
Zelensky my not have the experience that Franken has in politics/government, but he certainly has the education, intelligence, integrity, gravitas and equanimity that is required for situations such as these.
Both men are admirable, and are head and shoulders above the majority of politicians who occupy office today, particularly those from corrupt nations such as ours or Russia.
littlemissmartypants
(25,842 posts)live love laugh
(14,535 posts)SheltieLover
(60,142 posts)pandr32
(12,261 posts)usaf-vet
(7,012 posts)Trump looks even smaller to the world today than he did just 10 days ago.
Trump is a small vindictive man with NO real skills to be a leader.
His GQP cult followers have shown even less when compared to the Ukraine common man and woman.
Deep-seated courage in both genders.
Whereas GQP lackeys are gutless when facing a TWEET from the orange man.
COL Mustard
(6,969 posts)Zelenskyy: I need ammunition, not a ride!
Trump: GET ME THE HELL OUT OF HERE!!!!
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)He's inspiring. The real deal. Unlike the actors we have had acting as "Presidents" in this country.
wnylib
(24,706 posts)who went from B grade actor to F grade president.
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)wnylib
(24,706 posts)lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)leftieNanner
(15,739 posts)lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)Well, there's expulsion. Which he got.
Whiskeytide
(4,515 posts)leftieNanner
(15,739 posts)KS Toronado
(19,694 posts)Ohio Joe
(21,894 posts)And I heard he was a comedian... I knew pretty much zero about Ukraine, but I thought, WTF, that won't work. Good to know I was wrong
wnylib
(24,706 posts)A good, successful comedian is an intelligent person. It takes smarts to see the ironies in life and contrast them into humor that makes a point. It takes character and values to have a point to make.
But, I would also have been skeptical about that translating into an effective national - and now international - leader. But it has happened.
leftieNanner
(15,739 posts)Al Franken.
Harvard educated funny man.
Harvard educated smart man.
wnylib
(24,706 posts)barbtries
(29,943 posts)I love Al Franken even though I'm still a bit upset that he resigned.
Listen to his podcast regularly
https://www.youtube.com/c/AlFrankenYouTube
housecat
(3,138 posts)soldierant
(7,973 posts)As well as a thousands-of-years tradition of speaking truth to power.
Just about anyone in theater or movies will tell you that even the best dramatic actors have great difficulty if they attempt to transition to comedy. But great comic actors can almost always transition successfully to drama.
We underrate comedians ... at our peril.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)Think about it. How many right-wingers do you know with a geniuinely good sense of humor? Who either make you laugh or can laugh about life's absurdities. Why are all the best comedians raging liberals?
Stupid people just aren't funny. At least not intentionally.
localroger
(3,719 posts)You have to think on your feet, express yourself well, and deal with it when a joke falls flat or a heckler steps up.
greatauntoftriplets
(176,977 posts)He's proven himself to be a formidable leader in this trial by fire.
BlackSkimmer
(51,308 posts)The Magistrate
(96,043 posts)nuxvomica
(12,988 posts)They act because their instincts, the instincts of the mature adult human, demand it, not for glory or ego, or even an abundance of confidence. The singular duty of the hero is to make the world safer for the innocent and Zelensky has answered that call.
TexasBushwhacker
(20,727 posts)until you are in a situation that requires action.
Swede
(34,829 posts)I fear for him and all his citizens.
onlyadream
(2,221 posts)Look at Jon Steward or Al Franken. That said, Zelensky sure is proving that he's not only smart, but he's got integrity and courage.
LiberalArkie
(16,646 posts)what to think.
iluvtennis
(20,941 posts)TygrBright
(20,987 posts)It is not every day, year, even decade that a leader rises to a challenge in a way that catalyzes nation-building and changes the course of a whole peoples' future.
And inspires worldwide admiration for humankind's best potential.
respectfully,
Bright
Hekate
(95,208 posts)Al Franken turned out to be one of the most intelligent men in the US Senate.
In any case, thank you for this, Tommy (I thought you had Italian roots) Carcetti. Good post.
mountain grammy
(27,369 posts)orangecrush
(22,103 posts)erronis
(17,127 posts)peggysue2
(11,510 posts)Saw this mentioned elsewhere and thought yup, that about sums it up.
Zelensky has surprised many people throughout the world. In a good way because he's standing up (despite terrible odds) for a democratic Ukraine and, by extension, democratic principles everywhere. I've read that his popularity within Ukraine had dwindled from his initial electoral victory. Until these last few weeks, that is, which has propelled the man into living legend status.
No wonder Putin wants Zelensky's head. Only problem? Then the man becomes a martyr to the cause.
And Putin? He loses either way.
bucolic_frolic
(47,531 posts)But they have a great understanding of people, events, history, and are often extroverts and humanitarians. They are no technocrats. They understand implications. They don't just process, they think.
soldierant
(7,973 posts)druidity33
(6,593 posts)The Mouth
(3,303 posts)Perhaps the best quote ever.
The Biden administration offered him a flight out .
Link to tweet
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calimary
(84,575 posts)Astounding.
And in ANY case, Zelenskyy will win in the eyes of history. He's already won, even this early in the crisis. If he survives, he'll be the world's hero. If Putin captures him and imprisons him, he'll become a cause celebre. If Putin has him executed, he becomes a martyr. And if THAT happens, watch for an international appeal to the Pope to canonize him as a saint.
calimary
(84,575 posts)Karadeniz
(23,508 posts)in Ukraine !!!! He was fabulous !!!
LittleGirl
(8,497 posts)I didnt know where Ukraine was from my location in Central Europe last week. Ive gone from furious to distraught to surprised by the resistance! Go Ukrainians Go! Beat Putin.
Im a boomer, I hate war. I didnt want my brothers to get drafted to Vietnam. My oldest brother failed the health test. He spent his junior year in the hospital sick with hepatitis. The younger ones became of age after the draft ended, phew.
I respect that man and fear for his life. He is brave and gives me hope.
I hope Putin is defeated!
FakeNoose
(35,981 posts)Prayers and best wishes for your relatives in Ukraine, my friend! Putin will get his day, don't worry. This will all be over soon, when the proud and brave people of Ukraine can hold their heads high.
LetMyPeopleVote
(155,396 posts)I was surprised when Zelenskyy did not give into TFG's blackmail demands and I have been pleased in how he has become a great leader.
Link to tweet
electric_blue68
(18,618 posts)he was doing until ?2 days ago when someone described his show about Ukrainian corruption.
What an amazing life he's led so far. (of course, I hope he makes it through all this!!!!! )
I hope your relatives, and their friends stay safe and healthy!
I'm half 2Gen Ukrainian American on my dad's side. He was an only child, but his father may have had at least one brother. He was a peasant (what my dad said his father told him) outside of Kyiv.
So I probably have unknown cousins over there.
But as an NYC'r when I was a kid we had 2 different Ukrainian Catholic Churches to go to though we usually went to one over the other. As well as eating in Ukrainian restaurants from time to time in "Little Ukraine" in The East Village. We'd go down there to get our Ukrainian foods for Easter. Saw Ukrainian dancers when I was tween.
Finally my sis and I split up our dad's collection of
💖 pysanka. I might have bought one of my own. I did try to make one with unsatisfying [😄 sigh] results! Ah, well.
SlavaUkraini! 🌻🇺🇦🌻
Cha
(305,823 posts)Tommy Carcetti!
Now I know more about Zelensky than I did.. Thank You so much for your OP!
Zelensky has gone against the Evil twins trump and putin.. Here's to Ukraine coming out the Winner of Democracy and Freedom!
Link to tweet
💙
Rabrrrrrr
(58,371 posts)Colbert, Stewart, Che, Jost, Seth Myers - any of them know far more about the world and politics and how things work and how things OUGHT to work (morally and ethically) than any GOP senator or representative, or any GOp talking head on FOX...
I could imagine Al Franken doing exactly what Zelensky is doing - Franken's insights, wisdom, and crazy smarts when he was senator were absolutely stunning.
The comedian is actually going to read the stuff so that they know what's happening so they can make fun of it; and also so that if need be, they can footnote every joke and comment.
c-rational
(2,883 posts)that shines for the world to see.
Dan
(4,147 posts)If this is to be his legacy, then he will be in the company of great men/women!
Ruby the Liberal
(26,329 posts)I am awestruck by this man and how he has handled this nightmare. Its like his instincts have been firing on all cylinders for days now. I hope he and his family and team are able to get some rest.
On a lighter note - he is definitely amusing. Have you seen this compliation of clips from when he did the Ukranian version of Dancing with the Stars?
Link to tweet
XacerbatedDem
(511 posts)"GLORY TO UKRAINE"
kooth
(224 posts)I takes an adult to admit when they were wrong. You have an open mind and an open heart. I hope the very best for your relatives and in fact, the entire Ukrainian people as they fight against Putin. Good luck!