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NightWatcher

(39,343 posts)
3. We have to stand at the Polish (NATO) border. If crossed, we'll retaliate, but...
Mon Feb 28, 2022, 09:07 PM
Feb 2022

IF they stay in Ukraine, we cant risk starting WW3.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
5. It would take a lot of NATO troops and could well result in more innocents killed.
Mon Feb 28, 2022, 09:10 PM
Feb 2022

But the pressure could be tough to ignore.

Johonny

(20,782 posts)
7. Only if the war drags out/Russia accidentally hits NATO country
Mon Feb 28, 2022, 09:10 PM
Feb 2022

If the war drags out months, it's possible NATO comes in simply because Russia will likely have economically collapse by then and the Ukraine will be desperate for peace keeping troops.

The only other scenario is a direct attack on a NATO nation, which is unlikely unless someone in the Russian military has a death wish. Turkey would be the likely target in that case.

DetroitLegalBeagle

(1,912 posts)
14. Potassium Iodide
Mon Feb 28, 2022, 10:24 PM
Feb 2022

Protects your thyroid from radioiodine which can cause thyroid cancer. Its useless in protecting from any other radiation related injury or illness.

roamer65

(36,744 posts)
13. Yup it would be WW3.
Mon Feb 28, 2022, 10:23 PM
Feb 2022

In a full scale nuclear exchange, just about every human east of the Mississippi River would have a maximum of 5-6 weeks to live.

The radioactive fallout from the cities combined with it from the western missile silos would ensure death for most survivors of the initial attack.

Radiation sickness is a horrible way to go. I plan to be vaporized in the initial attack.

xmas74

(29,669 posts)
15. Remember the TV movie The Day After?
Mon Feb 28, 2022, 10:49 PM
Feb 2022

I live about 8 miles from the base. I'm not worried about having a Day After.

Doc Sportello

(7,483 posts)
9. All the protocols, options, plans and rational thinking applies - until they don't
Mon Feb 28, 2022, 09:45 PM
Feb 2022

If this thing turns really, really bloody - especially for civilians as we are starting to witness firsthand - then all the expert and wannabe expert certainties start to fall by the wayside. That's how full-scale wars have started time and again, regardless of what guardrails were in place beforehand. The 'nos' are probably right, but there were plenty, if not most, of the experts who felt the same way before other wars.

The big difference today, of course, is the nuclear option. But we almost went to nuclear war in 1962 and didn't mainly because the Kennedys favored diplomacy and a blockade over military action pressed for by LeMay and others in the Pentagon. A President Nixon may have very well taken another path. Today we have a president like Kennedy but Russia has a leader who may very well be unhinged, as opposed to a Khrushchev who was similar to Kennedy in preferring diplomacy while his generals wanted war.

Emotions are running high and could get even higher, turning into a war fever that includes NATO reversing its stance, even as that seems very unlikely now.

Torchlight

(3,286 posts)
17. I think the only way that would happen is if, and only if, an incursion happens in a NATO country.
Mon Feb 28, 2022, 11:04 PM
Feb 2022

Otherwise, I believe the organization will stick to its written principles. Even during the conflict in Kosovo, intervention was prompted only by fleeing Albanians into neighboring countries which was thought to destabilize the entire SE Europe region.

The UN Charter prohibits the use of force except in the case of a decision by the Security Council under Chapter VII, or self-defense against an armed attack – neither of which were present in this case. In fact, the September 11 attacks in the United States caused NATO to invoke Article 5 of the NATO Charter for the first time in the organization's history

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