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OnDoutside

(19,949 posts)
Tue Mar 1, 2022, 05:51 AM Mar 2022

Is there a Russian General Milley ? Two articles worth a look...

Because that (and more) is what it will take to neutralize an insane Putin.

First, from Politico

Pentagon wants Moscow back channels to prevent nuclear escalation

https://www.politico.com/news/2022/02/27/pentagon-moscow-backchannel-escalation-00012107

When Gen. Mark Milley emerged from six hours of tense talks with his Russian counterpart in Helsinki last September, the Joint Chiefs chair looked almost buoyant. Or at least as chipper as the gruff soldier of more than 40 years ever gets in public. “When military leaders of great powers communicate, the world is a safer place,” Milley said, striking an optimistic tone.

Now, just five months later, with Russian military forces pummeling Ukraine from the air, land and sea, Milley’s paean to a common understanding with Moscow is virtually dead.

But his relationship with Gen. Valery Gerasimov, the chief of the general staff of the Russian Armed Forces, is at the center of a highly sensitive behind-the-scenes effort to prevent the biggest war in Europe in generations from spinning into a wider conflict. It’s a situation that became more urgent on Sunday, when Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered his nuclear forces on high alert after a series of what he called “aggressive statements” by NATO powers.

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Milley and Gerasimov have not spoken since the latest hostilities, two DoD officials told POLITICO. But Pentagon officials say they hope their line of communication — which has been more frequent than that of Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin and his counterpart, Russian Defense Minister Sergey Shoygu — can help open up more regular links with Russian forces as the conflict ratchets up. “Now that Ukrainian airspace is in dispute and being contested and Ukrainian airspace runs right up alongside NATO airspace, we have conveyed to the Russians that we believe a conduit at the operational level is needed … so we can avoid miscalculation,” a senior Pentagon official told POLITICO. “And we have not received any response from them in terms of whether they agree, whether they are willing to set something up.”



Secondly, this is an article from February 9, 2022, before the Ukraine invasion. Prescient is an understatement, from a hardline retired General.


The chairman of the All-Russian Officers’ Assembly, retired General-Colonel Leonid Ivashov, published an appeal on his organization’s website on Jan. 31 to “the President and Citizens of the Russian Federation.” The sharply worded missive, issued on behalf of the organization, ends with the words: “We, Russia’s officers, demand that the President of the Russian Federation reject the criminal policy of provoking a war in which Russia would be alone against the united forces of the West… and retire.”

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Ivashov has stayed politically active as an extreme, anti-democratic nationalist leader. In 2003, he founded his All-Russian Officers’ Assembly with a limited number of like-minded extremists. Their ideology is a mixture of Soviet nostalgia, religious orthodoxy, and patriotic conservatism with support from some communist leaders. From the outset, they demanded the ouster of Putin as corrupt and incompetent. They have also acted as a trade union for Russian officers. For example, in 2018, they urged the Russian government to acknowledge it sent private military contractors to Syria, so that the fighters and their families could receive financial and medical benefits, as do members of the Russian military. Assembly leaders have repeatedly condemned Putin and demanded his resignation.

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A peculiar final point that Ivashov makes is that Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan appears to have placed Turkey, a member of NATO across the Black Sea from Ukraine and Russia, firmly on the side of Ukraine in the current standoff. Erdogan has criticized the Russian buildup, and visited Kyiv on Feb. 3 to meet with President Volodymyr Zelenskyy. Ivashov floated the threatening prospect that Turkey may feel compelled to “liberate” Crimea and Sevastopol and perhaps also enter the Caucasus, a scenario that would, to say the least, set back, rather than advance, Putin’s ambitions.



https://www.justsecurity.org/80149/retired-russian-generals-criticize-putin-over-ukraine-renew-call-for-his-resignation/
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Is there a Russian General Milley ? Two articles worth a look... (Original Post) OnDoutside Mar 2022 OP
The surest sign yet NJCher Mar 2022 #1
interesting. wish I had a greater stopdiggin Mar 2022 #2
I tend to agree, but it's at least ironic that Russia are now in a similar position where it needs OnDoutside Mar 2022 #3
The problem being he's surrounded by loyalists ffr Mar 2022 #5
Superpower countries look to their military leaders for Baked Potato Mar 2022 #4

stopdiggin

(11,285 posts)
2. interesting. wish I had a greater
Tue Mar 1, 2022, 09:16 AM
Mar 2022

feeling of confidence - about either of these two things. I guess time will tell how secure Putin's grasp on power is (particularly within the military) - my best guess for right now is - "pretty damned .."

OnDoutside

(19,949 posts)
3. I tend to agree, but it's at least ironic that Russia are now in a similar position where it needs
Tue Mar 1, 2022, 10:24 AM
Mar 2022

someone to stand up for their country.

ffr

(22,665 posts)
5. The problem being he's surrounded by loyalists
Tue Mar 1, 2022, 02:29 PM
Mar 2022

So you could imagine with the analogy of Trump telling Trump Jr. to push the red button.


Baked Potato

(7,733 posts)
4. Superpower countries look to their military leaders for
Tue Mar 1, 2022, 02:09 PM
Mar 2022

stability and reasoning in these times. Having a top shelf military command staff can stave off disaster from an unstable civilian leader.

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