If everyone is allowed to be armed to the teeth,

[raccoon]

Last edited Tue Mar 1, 2022, 10:43 AM - Edit history (1)

Churches, schools, theaters, etc. need better security.

I know the issue is guns, not church security, but there’s no way in hell this country is gonna do anything about guns.

Edited for clarity.

A father killed 3 of his kids and an adult before killing himself at a church near Sacramento, authorities say

By Topher Gauk-Roger, CNN
Updated 6:29 AM EST, Tue March 01, 2022

(CNN) A father walked into a church Monday near Sacramento, California, and fatally shot three of his children -- all under 15 -- and someone who appeared to have been supervising the family visit before killing himself, authorities said.

The shooter had a restraining order against him and had to visit his kids with supervision, Sacramento County Sheriff Scott Jones told reporters. The children's mother was cooperating with authorities, he said.

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2022/02/28/us/sacramento-church-shooting/index.html

[gab13by13]

3. Exactly, this guy had a restraining order for a reason.

[panader0]

29. What about innocent until proven guilty? If I accuse you of assault out of the blue,

should you lose your rights? I'm no gunner, never owned one. but just an accusation is not
grounds to be deprived of any right.

[DenaliDemocrat]

38. No.

That’s crazy talk. The 2nd Ammendment is an individual right as noted by the SC. I’m not okay with just canceling rights on an accusation

[gab13by13]

2. The issue isn't about more security at churches,

the issue is about doing proper background checks, about keeping guns out of the hands of people who have restraining orders against him.

[raccoon]

9. I said in my OP that the issue is NOT church security, but

It sure doesn’t look like this country is ever gonna do anything sensible about guns. I wouldn’t hold my breath on that one.

[7wo7rees]

15. In your OP you said churches need better security!

If not what you meant, remove it.

[raccoon]

34. Read my second paragraph! NT

[Ziggysmom]

4. Wow, I don't think security can even help prevent these gun nuts with warped minds from killing.

According to the article "The incident was the 70th mass shooting of 2022 in the United States -- with at least four people injured or killed, not including the shooter -- according to Gun Violence Archive."

It's only two months into 2022 and we already have 70 mass shootings? WTF is wrong with people and our country? Take all these gun nuts to Ukraine and show them what the 2nd Amendment was meant for!

[7wo7rees]

5. We need fewer guns. And those with issues need to be monitored closely.

So I disagree re churches need to have better security.
I would suggest our laws and enforcement need to do a better job.

Please don't flame me.

[raccoon]

11. Please say my post number nine. Nt

[7wo7rees]

13. In your OP you said churches need better security.

Did I miss something?

[Rabrrrrrr]

18. He also said "I know the issue is guns, not church security,", so yes, you and the other person

did indeed miss something.

Always best to read an entire post (just like it's always better to read an article) than just go with a headline.

[raccoon]

35. Yes. Nt

[ret5hd]

6. Maybe we should close churches down...

using those “nuisance to the community” laws. Like they do to strip clubs and biker bars.

Just sayin’…and only half joking.

[Emile]

7. How long before the "If Everybody Had a Gun Nobody Would Get Shot"

bunch shows up?

[Wicked Blue]

8. ...

[brachism]

10. Suspect identified

Suspect identified

David Fidel Mora-Rojas identified as suspected shooter, police say
Reference: www.independent.co.uk

Apparently also arrrested a week before shooting

DAVID FIDEL MORA-ROJAS was booked in Merced County, California for OBSTRUCT/RESIST EXECUTIVE OFFICER.
Booking Number: 2022-00000870 Booking Date: 2/23/2022
Age: 39 Gender: M Race: HISPANIC
Height: 5' 8" Weight: 187.0 lbs
Reference: recentlybooked.com

[Scrivener7]

12. What could more security have done? If a church feels it needs

more security, a church should pay for more security.

This horrible crime was a man who was willing to kill his three children - all of them old enough to know what he was doing, two of whom watched him do it to at least one of their siblings - and their chaperone.

The mother had a restraining order against him, and you KNOW if that is that case she would have preferred her children not have to visit him. And he has a history of domestic abuse.

This crime was aimed at the mother.

IF the churches want to be safer, they should stop being such a fundamental source of toxic masculinity. "Wives, obey your husbands." "I now pronounce you man (word that defines a complete person) and wife (word that defines the woman only in relation to the man)." "The husband is the Lord of the family, the wife is his helpmeet." "Women cannot be priests because they are not in the image of God." And such shit. Anti abortion, now anti contraception, keep the wimmins barefoot and pregnant shit.

Churches are the places where toxic masculinity starts.

[7wo7rees]

14. I'd like to just say.....BOOM!! n/t

[Scrivener7]

17. I'm a person with a normal amount of empathy, but we live in a world

where even that becomes overwhelming.

I can't help but think of what the last child, the third one he killed, felt as he or she watched their own father kill the other two out of spite.

What a heartbreak.

And the gun people and the churches have this blood on their hands.

[7wo7rees]

19. Yeah. It's heart rending!!

I'm very sorry for all of us.

And oh yes, you said it all so well, in a nutshell!!

[Scrivener7]

20. But, PS, I haven't seen your name in a while. It's good to see you.

[7wo7rees]

26. Tks. Trying to keep low profile in such very trying times.

Nice to see you too.

[malaise]

24. Nailed it

Further the churches support the gun nuts

[panader0]

30. Why is god supposed to be a man? "Our Father" etc, etc. God has no gender.

If god truly had a gender, it would be feminine to me- the womb of our children.
It seems the concept of a male god hasn't worked very well.
To me, god is totality of all being, animal, mineral and vegetable plus things that go beyond
our scope of understanding. As humans, we have only five senses, and they do not pick up
everything. Hell, a dog can hear and smell things we can't, etc, etc.

[malaise]

32. Religion is probably the most patriarchal of all institutions

I have nothing to do with any of them -never trusted their view that they should control my life and have no gods. I worship nothing, but have profound respect for nature.
My guide for life - do unto others as you would have them do unto you.
Have a nice day my friend

[Scrivener7]

40. I totally agree with you. When I was

40, I decided I had given enough time to defaulting to masculine in my thoughts about God, who I, too, believe is genderless. I decided to change all the pronouns to feminine and give THAT 40 years.

It was a very, very profound change. It really does completely change your perspective.

[raccoon]

36. Good point. Nt

[sinkingfeeling]

16. We need to confiscate guns from people under restraining orders.

[Keket]

25. We need to repeal the 2nd Amendment...

We need to repeal the 2nd Amendment, confiscate all guns from everybody and incarcerate anyone who doesn't comply.

Keket,
~You can be a good person or you can be a Republican. You can't be both.

[Dial H For Hero]

27. To do that you would need supermajorities in each house of Congress, and also approval from 38 out

of 50 state legislatures.

[Keket]

28. We'll get there eventually

In the meantime, we can put sane justices on the Supreme Court who will read the 2nd Amendment as a collective right (the way it was always intended) instead of an individual one.

The American people have had enough of this and are coming for your murder-toys.

[Dial H For Hero]

41. Only a single amendment has been overturned since the Constitution was written.

And that one was extraordinarily unpopular. In the short to medium term repealing the 2A is politically impossible. In the long term, who knows? But I think it will be many decades before such a proposal has even a slight chance of coming to pass.

[Dial H For Hero]

43. Somehow, I'm not worried about my AR-15 being confiscated. Please get back to me one year from now.

If you're right, gloat to your heart's content. If not, though....

[Dial H For Hero]

46. If you seriously think we'll win a supermajority in the Senate in November, I want whatever you're

smoking.

[bucolic_frolic]

21. They worship death and everlasting life

If you can figure that out, you can understand why this is not a problem. They go there for fulfillment.

[IronLionZion]

22. Arm the preacher and choir

it's just as dumb as arming teachers in schools.

Yeah sure whatever guns don't kill people, they just make it faster and easier to kill people. Let's make it harder to get guns, not easier. Kind of like abortion restrictions in red states.

[twodogsbarking]

23. Quote. "there's no way in hell this country is gonna do anything about guns."

Yep.

[Chainfire]

33. I avoid churches like I do dark alleys.

I have never been shot.

This story is tragic beyond words. Why didn't the man just kill himself? It will be interesting to see how the NRA can put a positive spin on this one. Perhaps, "If only the children had had guns..." Or maybe, it never happened, or it was a false flag operation...

I do despise the National Republican Army.

[raccoon]

37. I am just so disgusted with hearing about mass shootings over and over

And over again and nothing is ever done to address the real cause: allowing everyone to buy whoever guns they want.

And another is family members killing their own kids, spouses, exes, and then committing suicide.

Why don’t they just kill themselves and let that be it?

Yesterday I read about a case in TN where a man shot his theee sons and their half-sister.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daryl_Holton

He went to the electric chair. Most of the time, I’m against the death penalty. But this case I’m glad. I’m glad Tennessee gave him the death penalty.

I think I need to take a break from this. A mental break anyway because you can’t really take a break from it.

[kwolf68]

39. This is what happens

Remember we are becoming a violent nation because the left is trying to take God out of churches.