European Union parliament has approved Ukraine's application; vote scheduled for 16:30

[EarthFirst]

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[highplainsdem]

1. Great news!

[Lovie777]

2. Yes! . . .

Putin's pissed.

[hookaleft]

3. What would being part of the EU do at this point in time?

Just curious. It is not the same as being a part of NATO? Is it?

[Horse with no Name]

5. It would mean that they are part of something

But practically it means that their citizens can cross borders into other EU countries without issue.

[eShirl]

6. It means they'll be more EU than the UK is.

[Celerity]

11. lol, yes, indeed

[erronis]

21. Wonder if Ukraine (UKR) could have the UK abbreviation since the UK ain't united anymore.

Hope brexit BoJo goes next. Lots of brexit funding from the kremlin, naturally.

[NBachers]

40. Boom!!

[Victor_c3]

41. Thanks for pointing that out n/t

:thumbs:

[Javaman]

8. This is from another thread where I asked pretty much

The same question…

(Here’s a link to the thread…. https://democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=2879410 )


MUTUAL DEFENCE CLAUSE

The Treaty of Lisbon strengthens the solidarity between EU countries in dealing with external threats by introducing a mutual defence clause (Article 42(7) of the Treaty on European Union). This clause provides that if an EU country is the victim of armed aggression on its territory, the other EU countries have an obligation to aid and assist it by all the means in their power, in accordance with Article 51 of the United Nations Charter.

This obligation of mutual defence is binding on all EU countries. However, it does not affect the neutrality of certain EU countries and is consistent with the commitments of EU countries which are NATO members.

This provision is supplemented by the solidarity clause (Article 222 of the Treaty on the Functioning of the EU) which provides that EU countries are obliged to act jointly where an EU country is the victim of a terrorist attack or a natural or man-made disaster.

[KS Toronado]

23. Sounds like the EU is gearing up against Putler

Thanks for the info

[SheltieLover]

25. Indeed!

[wnylib]

44. Yes it does, especially with neutral nations

like Switzerland and Sweden taking a stand. And all the arms being sent to Baltic countries.

If Putin succeeds in Ukraine, he will move on to other nations who are members of NATO and/or the EU. Looks like they expect this expansion of Russian aggression and are gearing up, not just as a symbolic deterrent, but a fully ready fighting force.

And I thought the Cuban Missile Crisis was scary.

[lagomorph777]

32. Wow. That sounds like a pretty big deal.

[samsingh]

17. excellent news!

they will be part of a Bloc.

Their citizens will have rights around Europe.

There should be some military protections, but i need to research that.

[SheltieLover]

26. See #8 above!

[lamp_shade]

4. It's 1:57 PM in brussels right now. Is 16:30 EST or Brussels time?

[EarthFirst]

7. 16:30 UTC would be 4:30 p.m. nt

[lamp_shade]

10. Thanks.

[lagomorph777]

33. 4:30 PM in Greenwich (and most of Western Europe)

[GoCubsGo]

9. 16:30 local (Kyiv) time.

Last edited Tue Mar 1, 2022, 10:51 AM - Edit history (1)

Which is an hour ahead of Brussels time.

[HUAJIAO]

24. Wouldn't that be an hour later? Kyiv is farther east than Brussels..

[GoCubsGo]

38. Yes, they're an hour ahead of Brussels.

I edited my post to clarify it. Thanks.

[HUAJIAO]

43. My pleasure....

[RocRizzo55]

42. Kyiv is GMT +2

They are farther east than much of Western Europe.

[markie]

13. wow

[onetexan]

14. WOOO!!!

[ancianita]

15. It's 2:36 PM in Brussels, so voting is two hours from now.

[multigraincracker]

16. He has a Black Belt? Philosophy of Judo.

http://media.usja.net/2015/05/output_1430927543.pdf


Philosophy of Judo

Putting your energy to work most effectively-Seiryoku Zenyo

This is the core of the philosophy of judo. Do not waste! Do not waste your mental, physical and spiritual energy on things that do not accomplish your goals. In Judo we try not to waste our energy when trying to throw someone. There is a correct timing and position to executing a throwing technique. If done correctly, the technique will work with almost no strength...like a hot knife through butter. If done incorrectly, then you will find the technique difficult to accomplish and requires a tremendous amount of energy.

Consider Fully, Act Decisively! -Many times, we practice our techniques by “toe-dipping” or “testing the waters” with our techniques. This will often result in your partner applying a counter- attack to our indecisive first attack. It is better to come in with your technique whole-heartedly. If it fails...it fails and we will learn from it. But if we never attempt it, we can never be successful.

Shin Gi Tai – Literally translates into Heart, Skill, Body. One of the goals of a judo player is to develop all three of these elements and to get them to work in harmony to create a higher level of Judo.

Dr. Kano wrote:

“The study of the application of judo ultimately led to the teaching of seiryoku zenyo, which is the principle behind competing in earnest. I have demonstrated in these pages that this principle can be applied to everyday life. With regard to our daily activities and social interaction, the teaching of seiryoku zenyo means bringing about maximum results through the use of every sort of energy. For this reason, human faults like anger, for example, violate this principle. Becoming angry consumes mental energy. How does anger benefit you or anyone else? The results of anger are invariably a depletion of mental energy and being looked down on or disliked by others. By following the principle of seiryoku zenyo, people will not be able to get angry.

Being disappointed or troubled by failures or setbacks, or harboring grievances are also ways in which mental energy is
read more at link.

No wonder the Judo Ass. took away his position with the org.

[2naSalit]

49. +1

Just like -45, he has no respect for anything including anything he claims to to respect. They are two with the same affliction in every way.

[AngryOldDem]

18. Thank God.

[niyad]

19. Thank Goddess.

[turbinetree]

20. Hey Russia that means you have problem......

[lagomorph777]

34. BIG problem, Vladdie.

[dixiechiken1]

22. I literally have tears streaming down my face right now...

I'm so happy.

[SheltieLover]

27. NATO should do same!

[Laura PourMeADrink]

28. Yes. People, including children, are dying at this moment in time.

[SheltieLover]

29. Yes they are!

[Laura PourMeADrink]

39. Disconnect between urgency and sorry...bs

Not a good day at all

What the Ukraine has taught me. If you want something to happen you make it happen don't go around bullshiting for days and weeks and months. You do something.

[ificandream]

30. According to my time converter, the vote begins now.

[lagomorph777]

31. Putin just fucked himself sideways with a flaming pitchfork.

Oops.

[wryter2000]

35. Wonderful

NATO next

[ananda]

36. What a moving moment.

...

[uponit7771]

47. Whoa !!!

[muriel_volestrangler]

48. This is symbolic; it's not up to the EU parliament, but to the governments of the member states

They haven't 'approved' anything; they are backing it. The EU parliament cannot change the process, either, but it can urge the governments to do so.

[Demsrule86]

52. All indications are that they will approve it.

[muriel_volestrangler]

53. If by "it" you mean the symbolic resolution, and "they" the EU parliament, then, yes

But the actual accession process, even if "fast-tracked", will be a complicated treaty that will need to be approved by all EU member governments, and that's going to take months at a minimum, even if they all do think it's a good idea to do it as fast as possible. And they'll inevitably take into account how the invasion goes; if Putin succeeds in knocking out the Ukrainian government, they're not going to admit a "government-in-exile" as a member.

When an accession agreement has finally been drawn up, the parliament does need to approve it too. But that's a formality; it's getting all the existing members to agree on the way a country is admitted that is the tricky bit.

And "years" is the realistic timetable:

Von der Leyen said there was a “long path ahead”. “We have to end this war,” she said. “And we should talk about the next steps. But I am sure: nobody in this hemicycle can doubt that a people that stands up so bravely for our European values belongs in our European family.”

The path to membership will require the commission to give a positive assessment as to Ukraine’s potential candidature, a process that can take up to 18 months. There would then be a transitional period of indefinite length during which Ukraine would need to adopt the entirety of EU law.

Slovenia and Poland have called on EU member states to take “quick and courageous decisions” to ensure that Ukraine can join the EU by 2030. But there is some scepticism in other capitals about the wisdom of further expansion.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/mar/01/ukraine-president-volodymyr-zelenskiy-plea-to-eu-prove-that-you-are-with-us

[2naSalit]

50. That was quick.

I hope that it helps to defeat the evil one.

[SharonClark]

51. See post 48 and . . .

The European Parliament adopted a non-binding resolution - by 637 votes to 13, with 26 abstentions - calling for tougher sanctions "aimed at strategically weakening the Russian economy and industrial base, in particular the military-industrial complex".

While Russian President Vladimir Putin "recalls the most dreadful statements of 20th century dictators", Zelenskiy is being "heroic", they said.

The European Parliament also urged EU leaders to be tougher on oligarchs and officials close to Putin, restrict oil and gas imports from Russia, ban Russia and its ally Belarus entirely from the SWIFT bank messaging system, and to close all EU ports to Russian ships or ships headed to or from Russia.

However, EU lawmakers rejected an amendment calling Russia a "rogue state".
. . .

[link:https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/eu-lawmakers-call-russia-rogue-state-emergency-session-with-zelenskiy-2022-03-01/|

[2naSalit]

54. Thanks.

That makes more sense.