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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsSo we knew what putin was going to do ahead of time. What's plan B?
So far, putin's continuing to execute his plan, adding more fire power. Not deterred by sanctions or anyone calling his actions war crimes.
Meanwhile, Ukrainians fighting for their lives at this very SECOND. People and children are dying. War crimes being committed.
So sadly guess the free world doesn't have a Plan B. Because if we do more we risk nuclear war? And if we did more before invasion -- that would have risked nuclear war too????? Can't prove it now of course, but in retrospect, this strategy sounds like it would have been really super smart. Need to dig up what one DUer talked about a lot
So bottom line Ukrainians sacrificial. Just too hard to watch this.
rgbecker
(4,806 posts)comradebillyboy
(10,119 posts)Biden is not the ruler of all the Earth. He can't wave his magic wand and make it all better.
uponit7771
(90,225 posts)... and I don't think this is going to last past 2 months.
The main resources is support equipment, the UKR have done a surgical job at blowing up the support trucks etc
bluestarone
(16,722 posts)We DO NOT know what he is doing under the radar. Wouldn't surprise me if there is some secret communications going on with some people in Russian military staff to take matters into their own hands. Putin is a crazy blood thirsty bastard.WE just have to wait and see. ONE thing though, I WILL support ANYTHING Joe decides to do!
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)HUAJIAO
(2,362 posts)AlexSFCA
(6,137 posts)there really is no end in sight.
Deminpenn
(15,246 posts)about whether or not we would chose to enter the conflict. Ruling out American forces on the ground or in the air made Putin's decisions a lot easier.
What if Biden used tonight's SOTU to warn Putin the US might no longer sit idly by as he commits war crimes?
Demsrule86
(68,352 posts)special ops are on the scene. Joe Biden has done a great job of uniting Nato and Europe against Putin. But there are limits to what he can do...unlike Putin who is a mass-murdering dictator and a monster like Hitler and Stalin.
Deminpenn
(15,246 posts)That can be used as congressional authorization.
I give Biden a A++++ for his leadership uniting NATO/Eurpose and playing a weak hand well. Just think if Biden had strung along the idea that the US might get involved, even if he had no intention of committing American troops, it might have strengthened his hand a little more.
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)Although it does emphasize that we have already
Gore1FL
(21,034 posts)The Russian economy is collapsed. Citizens are protesting across Russia. Putin's Oligarchs are showing signs of spintering. They are under-supplied, ill-motivated, untrained, and facing stiff resistance. They are under, minimally nuisance cyber attacks. NATO is upping the military presence in bordering member nations. Ukraine is being supplied with arms.
This is the first week.
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)Gore1FL
(21,034 posts)I don't know what course of action the west should take that is an actual improvement over what is already being done.
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)Emile
(21,909 posts)Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)Ukraine because they weren't in the EU or NATO yet, they're going to assassinate a leader however horrible the leader is?
Emile
(21,909 posts)that can get close to him. Putin is afraid of his own shadow and keeps everyone 20 feet away.
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)hamsterjill
(15,214 posts)My thinking is that Putin will only stop when something/someone bigger than Putin makes him stop. If he is successful in using the threat of nuclear war, you can bet that he wont be the last lunatic to use that.
Fiona Hills words were profound to me. She said we are already in WWIII.
Those poor people. The Ukrainians are so proud, so brave and I want us to help them. I also feel some sadness over the young Russian soldiers who obviously arent clued in as to what the plan is, and the Russian people, who will suffer.
Putin is still just one man. One living, breathing, mortal man. And like Trump, I have never understood how one man can dictate so much suffering without being stopped by whatever means necessary.
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)eye opening and so refreshing to read what a true expert has to say. She stresses the need for an all out effort of worldwide businesses to pledge that they won't do business with Russia anymore. Along with how difficult this is to achieve.
And not sure if she was being facetious but she talked about how Putin, because of covid and having plenty of time, has gone into the archives and read the history and is totally convinced that Ukraine is a non-nation and belongs back into the Russian fold. This may come by him grabbing parts vs the whole Ukraine.
lame54
(35,141 posts)Kingofalldems
(38,361 posts)And what do you mean by 'Ukrainians sacrificial'?