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Nevilledog

(51,063 posts)
Tue Mar 1, 2022, 12:26 PM Mar 2022

Five vile things Trump did to Zelensky and Ukraine that you forgot about

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/03/01/vindman-zelensky-ukraine-putin/

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With the Russian invasion of Ukraine getting more horrific, Donald Trump and his allies are frantically erasing the truth about Trump’s relations with Ukraine. Trump absurdly claims that as president, he stood strong behind Ukraine and NATO, even as his spinners comically downplay his corrupt and deeply malevolent betrayal of our ally.

The obvious rejoinder to this spin is that Trump got impeached for withholding military aid to strongarm Ukrainian President into manufacturing propaganda to help Trump’s reelection. This came even as Zelensky pleaded for help against Russian aggression, which the world is now witnessing unfold in all its horror.

But the focus only on that episode risks oversimplifying the story. It casts this recent history as being mainly about Trump’s personal corruption, i.e., his effort to use foreign policy to smear his campaign opponent.

A broader focus shows that this saga was, and is, really about the U.S.’s foreign policy posture: In episode after episode, Trump aligned our interests with those of Russian President Vladimir Putin and against those of Ukraine, NATO and the West.

“Trump acted against U.S. interests with the consequence of aiding Russian interests," Alexander Vindman, the former Lt. Col. who testified dramatically against Trump, told me.

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Five vile things Trump did to Zelensky and Ukraine that you forgot about (Original Post) Nevilledog Mar 2022 OP
The unrepentant criminal is a traitor to our country. gademocrat7 Mar 2022 #1
this fuels demise of trump more than ever now ! monkeyman1 Mar 2022 #7
Great Post samplegirl Mar 2022 #2
What must Zelensky have thought of the United States-- Wingus Dingus Mar 2022 #3
And Pompeo too - let's not forget about that prick. Probatim Mar 2022 #21
Him and Mike Flynn, too--unbelievable they were military officers. Wingus Dingus Mar 2022 #22
Repukes will sink to any level for $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$. (nt) Elwood P Dowd Mar 2022 #29
What did they do to OUR OWN Ambassador to Ukraine? Cracklin Charlie Mar 2022 #4
Remember TFG's famous remark? "She is going to go through some things . . ." colorado_ufo Mar 2022 #9
Kicking for visibility SheltieLover Mar 2022 #5
It's high time TFG is treated and charged as the traitor he is pandr32 Mar 2022 #6
Agreed! Rebl2 Mar 2022 #11
" All of them & will not forget ! GOP needs to go !! enough bull -shit ! monkeyman1 Mar 2022 #8
Conclusion: If not for 2016 and Dump, WWIII wouldn't be on our doorstep ffr Mar 2022 #10
Sorry, I mean Republicans. ffr Mar 2022 #12
Whole essay worth reading Wild blueberry Mar 2022 #13
This is why I think Trump is more involved with this than has been stated. ificandream Mar 2022 #14
That's exactly how it was planned. hunter Mar 2022 #23
I agree, and think one of the goals was to show that Zelensky was easily corrupted. Wingus Dingus Mar 2022 #24
But I also think the two buddies were looking toward the future. ificandream Mar 2022 #26
In fairness to Trump, he did treat Ukraine better than he treated the US. plimsoll Mar 2022 #15
Hopefully this characterization leaks out from the columnist to the news pages of the Post gratuitous Mar 2022 #16
The article mentions denying Zelensky a meeting, but left out that he did give two Russians a Karadeniz Mar 2022 #17
Among other treasonous junk. moondust Mar 2022 #18
Good post! burrowowl Mar 2022 #25
The sheer volume of TFG's treasonous actions Martin Eden Mar 2022 #19
The RTumpster... ultralite001 Mar 2022 #20
Worth a thousand words Retired Engineer Bob Mar 2022 #27
Jesus, it's like a little boy seeing Daddy. Wingus Dingus Mar 2022 #28
KnR Hekate Mar 2022 #30
KR TY! Cha Mar 2022 #31

samplegirl

(11,474 posts)
2. Great Post
Tue Mar 1, 2022, 12:33 PM
Mar 2022

K&R
Thanks for sharing. I’ve said Trump is made from the same cloth as Putin.
He scorched our country repeatedly and has gotten away with it!

Wingus Dingus

(8,052 posts)
3. What must Zelensky have thought of the United States--
Tue Mar 1, 2022, 12:34 PM
Mar 2022

in his dealings with two of the most mobster-like goons ever to "grace" the US government, Trump and Giuliani. He probably thought we were as corrupt and untrustworthy as Russia. What a fucking embarrassment we were.

Cracklin Charlie

(12,904 posts)
4. What did they do to OUR OWN Ambassador to Ukraine?
Tue Mar 1, 2022, 12:56 PM
Mar 2022

I think she was forced to leave her post under threat of grave danger. OUR Ambassador!

This history must not be rewritten.

colorado_ufo

(5,732 posts)
9. Remember TFG's famous remark? "She is going to go through some things . . ."
Tue Mar 1, 2022, 01:49 PM
Mar 2022


She showed herself to be magnificently courageous.

ffr

(22,668 posts)
10. Conclusion: If not for 2016 and Dump, WWIII wouldn't be on our doorstep
Tue Mar 1, 2022, 01:55 PM
Mar 2022

Thanks Russians everywhere! You thought you were owning the libs, but the fact of the matter is that your FUCKING STUPIDITY IS GOING TO GET MILLIONS MORE KILLED!

ificandream

(9,357 posts)
14. This is why I think Trump is more involved with this than has been stated.
Tue Mar 1, 2022, 01:58 PM
Mar 2022

I think Trump and Putin conceived this shit to help both of them in their respective countries. It's not working for Putin and I don't see America rushing to Trump, who, of course, used the war to declare his forever candidacy again. Both need to get spanked over this shit.

hunter

(38,309 posts)
23. That's exactly how it was planned.
Tue Mar 1, 2022, 02:44 PM
Mar 2022

Putin would be a hero for "reuniting" Russia, and Trump would be the hero for "negotiating" the terms of the cease-fire, at the expense of the Ukrainian people and their sovereignty, of course.

Putin did not expect Biden would win, and it was too late for Putin to stop the ball rolling without losing face.

Russia doesn't seem to know it yet, but they've already lost and will be split like Germany after World War II, with China managing the economic resources the east, and the European Union and U.S.A. managing the economic resources of the West.

The question now is how many people have to die before Putin backs down or gets dragged off the stage, dead or alive, by his own people.

Wingus Dingus

(8,052 posts)
24. I agree, and think one of the goals was to show that Zelensky was easily corrupted.
Tue Mar 1, 2022, 03:05 PM
Mar 2022

A win-win for Trump and Russia if he delivered (manufactured) the "goods" on Biden--they could show Zelensky was corrupt IN FAVOR of the GOP, thus costing Ukraine (and its security) the future support of US Democrats.

ificandream

(9,357 posts)
26. But I also think the two buddies were looking toward the future.
Tue Mar 1, 2022, 05:02 PM
Mar 2022

To strengthen Putin and to get Trump back in our good graces with Donnie playing the strongman role. Only trouble is they both have serious problems -- Putin with his failing military exercise and Trump with his silly theories and not-so-silly legal problems.

plimsoll

(1,668 posts)
15. In fairness to Trump, he did treat Ukraine better than he treated the US.
Tue Mar 1, 2022, 02:08 PM
Mar 2022

What else really needs to be said.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
16. Hopefully this characterization leaks out from the columnist to the news pages of the Post
Tue Mar 1, 2022, 02:24 PM
Mar 2022

Specifically, "Trump's personal corruption." This part of the story really needs to take root and be mentioned in any analysis or look-back to the former guy's administration. The former guy and his entire administration was corrupt. It's a simple statement, well supported by the historical facts.

Karadeniz

(22,490 posts)
17. The article mentions denying Zelensky a meeting, but left out that he did give two Russians a
Tue Mar 1, 2022, 02:28 PM
Mar 2022

meeting in the Oval Office, I think. The photos show Trump positively radiating joy at their presence. He never, ever showed that much delight when meeting with other foreign officials.

Martin Eden

(12,862 posts)
19. The sheer volume of TFG's treasonous actions
Tue Mar 1, 2022, 02:37 PM
Mar 2022

Makes it difficult to keep up with all of them.

No doubt there are more which haven't received media attention.

Hekate

(90,624 posts)
30. KnR
Tue Mar 1, 2022, 05:29 PM
Mar 2022

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