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kentuck

(111,037 posts)
Tue Mar 1, 2022, 04:30 PM Mar 2022

FOX News decided that it could praise Zelenskyy and Trump and criticize Biden at the same time...

They hope people will forget that they have been cheerleaders for Putin for the last 5 years. No matter what he did, it was OK with them. But, no more.

It doesn't matter to them that Trump was a puppet of Putin's for his entire Administration and that they were a puppet of Trump's for the same time period. Putin's smell did not rub off on Trump, according to the FOX News talking heads. They are capable of putting the first impeachment out of mind and out of history. They are ready to believe that Trump was not trying to get rid of NATO. They believe he was only trying to get them to pay their dues. It never occurred to them that was his strategy to give him an excuse to leave it. It was all for the benefit of Vladimir Putin. Just like his call to Zelenskyy when he needed the weapons to defend his country in the Donbass region.

But, nothing can stop them from criticizing Joe Biden at every turn. They are always capable of telling half the story when it fits their narrative.

They have no shame.

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FOX News decided that it could praise Zelenskyy and Trump and criticize Biden at the same time... (Original Post) kentuck Mar 2022 OP
Trying out that pretzel logic. 🤣 TheBlackAdder Mar 2022 #1
Literally 20 seconds after turning on Fox News this AM they tore into Biden elias7 Mar 2022 #2
And if Zelenskyy and NATO leaders praise Biden for his great leadership... kentuck Mar 2022 #4
Chuck Todd wasn't much better. Mr.Bill Mar 2022 #5
Putting Todd's report in context makes a difference, does it not? ificandream Mar 2022 #6
I can't say I watched every minute of his show, but what I saw was all about Mr.Bill Mar 2022 #8
Watch him a little more often, then. He's better than the jerks on Fux masquerading as journalists. ificandream Mar 2022 #9
You're entitled to your opinion. Mr.Bill Mar 2022 #10
You really think the Fux idiots are better than Chuck Todd, then? ificandream Mar 2022 #13
Where the fuck did I say that? Mr.Bill Mar 2022 #14
Because you answered around my question. ificandream Mar 2022 #16
Chuck Todd lets people lie on his show Mr.Bill Mar 2022 #18
I think it is good journalism to get opposing points of view. ificandream Mar 2022 #19
But, it would be nice for him to occasionally Bettie Mar 2022 #17
I'm so sick of hearing about bad Dem messaging Mad_Machine76 Mar 2022 #11
Republican voters I know will always vote republican no matter what. CrispyQ Mar 2022 #3
Trump will be remade into Ukraine's savior and champion. NCDem47 Mar 2022 #7
Genius underpants Mar 2022 #12
Their viewers won't remember what they heard two days ago. Crunchy Frog Mar 2022 #15
Hannity and Cruz are twisting and turning tonight. mia Mar 2022 #20

elias7

(3,990 posts)
2. Literally 20 seconds after turning on Fox News this AM they tore into Biden
Tue Mar 1, 2022, 04:40 PM
Mar 2022

Inflation, immigration, Afghanistan, Ukraine, Climate change, you name they blame him for it and further blame him for not fixing it. It’s what they live for. Predictable slamming with never an ounce of credit. How can any intelligent person honestly accept the bias?

kentuck

(111,037 posts)
4. And if Zelenskyy and NATO leaders praise Biden for his great leadership...
Tue Mar 1, 2022, 04:48 PM
Mar 2022

...they will find a way to simply ignore reporting it. Some things they just don't want their viewers to see...

Mr.Bill

(24,217 posts)
5. Chuck Todd wasn't much better.
Tue Mar 1, 2022, 04:50 PM
Mar 2022

He spent a good portion of his show talking about Biden's low approval ratings. To be fair, it was in the context of saying people are saying things about Biden that are just plain not true, but he even blamed that on Democrats being very bad at messaging.

ificandream

(9,309 posts)
6. Putting Todd's report in context makes a difference, does it not?
Tue Mar 1, 2022, 04:53 PM
Mar 2022

He's a newsman. Being critical is part of his job. And not just of Republicans.

Mr.Bill

(24,217 posts)
8. I can't say I watched every minute of his show, but what I saw was all about
Tue Mar 1, 2022, 05:00 PM
Mar 2022

Democrats. No mention of republicans that I heard, except to mention W's rating was as high as 91%, which he didn't put into the context of being right after 9/11. But then that has to be put in the context of the show being about the SOTU address tonight. His "panel" didn't have much positive to say about Democrats either.

Oh well, we all know about Todd and what he is. I rarely watch him. Partisan politics aside, I have just never thought he was a very good journalist or interviewer.

ificandream

(9,309 posts)
9. Watch him a little more often, then. He's better than the jerks on Fux masquerading as journalists.
Tue Mar 1, 2022, 05:10 PM
Mar 2022

And he is a good one. (I worked in newspapers for over three decades.)

Mr.Bill

(24,217 posts)
10. You're entitled to your opinion.
Tue Mar 1, 2022, 05:16 PM
Mar 2022

My first paying job was as a journalist, but I didn't pursue it as a career. I actually followed the advice of my high school journalism teacher, who said the people that print the newspaper by and large make more money than the people who write the newspaper. I spent 30+ years running printing presses, but not at a newspaper.

Mr.Bill

(24,217 posts)
14. Where the fuck did I say that?
Tue Mar 1, 2022, 08:05 PM
Mar 2022

An awful lot of people here lately like to put words in other people's mouths.

It won't work with me.

ificandream

(9,309 posts)
16. Because you answered around my question.
Tue Mar 1, 2022, 08:33 PM
Mar 2022

You went from journalism to printing presses to newspaper executives without actually answering whether Fux was better than Todd. I say he is. Way way way better. To me, all this complaining about Todd is almost Fux bullshit. (You see Fux dumping on their competition daily in the most unprofessional ways.) As I've said before, Todd has a wide open style of questioning. And he doesn't always say things people want to hear. He doesn't have to. I have no problem with his work. Everyone nitpicks little things he says. He wouldn't be NBC's head political guy if they didn't think he was good at what he does.

Mr.Bill

(24,217 posts)
18. Chuck Todd lets people lie on his show
Tue Mar 1, 2022, 08:41 PM
Mar 2022

and often doesn't even try to call them on it with follow-up questions. He says he doesn't do that because then they won't come on his show. That's not good journalism. That's just chasing ratings. I know TV news is a business, but it shouldn't be at the expense of giving people an opportunity to lie without calling them on it.

If it's raining outside and you report on it, it's not necessarily good journalism to also interview someone who says it's not raining.

ificandream

(9,309 posts)
19. I think it is good journalism to get opposing points of view.
Wed Mar 2, 2022, 12:09 AM
Mar 2022

You can call them on their statements. He has. But again, he has a wide-ranging style of interviewing. His interviews are informative. You and I don't have to like what you hear. But that doesn't mean he's doing something wrong.

Bettie

(16,052 posts)
17. But, it would be nice for him to occasionally
Tue Mar 1, 2022, 08:35 PM
Mar 2022

actually BE critical of Republicans instead of spending all his time kissing their, um, feet.

Mad_Machine76

(24,386 posts)
11. I'm so sick of hearing about bad Dem messaging
Tue Mar 1, 2022, 05:25 PM
Mar 2022

when half of them time we get drowned out by everybody else on Sunday talk shows (and pretty much every other moment of every day)

CrispyQ

(36,411 posts)
3. Republican voters I know will always vote republican no matter what.
Tue Mar 1, 2022, 04:47 PM
Mar 2022

Even those not in the cult are brainwashed to a certain extent. They totally believe that the GOP is better for the economy.

U.S. Jobs, Income, GDP Growth 'Startlingly' Higher Under Democratic Presidents: Analysis
BY BENJAMIN FEARNOW ON 2/2/21 AT 5:33 PM EST

https://www.newsweek.com/us-jobs-income-gdp-growth-startlingly-higher-under-democratic-presidents-analysis-1566313

snip...

Nearly all major U.S. economic indicators—including income, productivity, stock prices, jobs and gross domestic product (GDP)—show growth under Democratic Party presidents, reflecting a "startlingly large" gap compared to when Republicans are in the White House.

New analysis and economic research seeks answers for why all six presidents who presided over the fastest periods of U.S. job growth were Democrats, while recent Republicans including both Bushes and Donald Trump saw the least expansion. A New York Times analysis released Tuesday, which draws from vast research, asks the question, "Why has the U.S. economy fared so much better under Democratic presidents than Republicans?" The authors noted that GOP presidents in the past several decades have run up larger deficits than Democrats and party control of Congress has shown minimal impact on growth.

Some economists remain unsure about pinpointing exact factors. But the analysis concludes that Democrats have been more pragmatic and "more willing to heed economic and historical lessons" about strengthening economies, while Republicans have clung to "magical" tax cut and deregulation theories in times of crisis.

If the U.S. economy had grown at the increased rate seen under Democrats since 1933, the average income of Americans would be more than double its current level, the analysis found. The data analyzed may also be overly kind to Republicans because it excludes the years of Great Depression that occurred under Republican President Herbert Hoover.

NCDem47

(2,248 posts)
7. Trump will be remade into Ukraine's savior and champion.
Tue Mar 1, 2022, 04:53 PM
Mar 2022

It

DOES...

NOT...

MATTER...

what he or FOX "commentators" have done or said in the past. What they say NOW is what is propagandized. Their cult is asked to suspend all disbelief. And they will.

underpants

(182,559 posts)
12. Genius
Tue Mar 1, 2022, 05:38 PM
Mar 2022

We need to hang that around his neck. Savvy wonderful genius. The cult won’t get it but everyone else will.

Crunchy Frog

(26,574 posts)
15. Their viewers won't remember what they heard two days ago.
Tue Mar 1, 2022, 08:08 PM
Mar 2022

They are perfect illustrations of the phenomena that Orwell described in his books.

mia

(8,358 posts)
20. Hannity and Cruz are twisting and turning tonight.
Wed Mar 2, 2022, 12:23 AM
Mar 2022

As if they're fighting for their lives.
Watching them on Fox, now.

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