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Nevilledog

(51,104 posts)
Wed Mar 2, 2022, 01:35 AM Mar 2022

Could Congress let you seize this Russian oligarch's yacht?



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There is a non-zero (though exceedingly low) chance that Congress might soon let you get some friends together and seize an oligarch's yacht to keep as your own.

washingtonpost.com
Analysis | Could Congress let you seize this Russian oligarch’s yacht?
A member of Congress has proposed reviving the constitutional power of letters of marque.
1:31 PM · Mar 1, 2022


https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/03/01/could-congress-let-you-seize-this-russian-oligarchs-yacht/

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At about a quarter past 10 on Tuesday morning, a private jet apparently belonging to a man named Roman Abramovich took off from an airport near Moscow. I know this because a teenager named Jack Sweeney created an automated tool tracking the departures and arrivals of a very select group of aircraft: those owned by oligarchs close to Russian President Vladimir Putin.

Those jets and the yachts owned by the same group have attracted an enormous amount of attention in the week since Russia invaded Ukraine. In large part, it’s because those vehicles in many cases represent a very tangible manifestation of the corruption at the heart of Putin’s regime. International sanctions have hobbled the Russian economy, but the political effect is muted if, at the same time, a billionaire empowered by Putin is docking his massive ship in Capri. Hence Sweeney’s tool. It’s an attempt to shine light on how the unofficial economy of Russia operates.

But what if it were something else? What if it were also a way for you to get yourself a new Gulfstream?

Buried in Article I, Section 8 of the U.S. Constitution is a federal power that will probably be unfamiliar to a layperson. Among the powers granted Congress, it reads, is that to “grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water.” So what does that mean? It means the federal government is authorized by the Constitution to issue documents (letters of marque) that empower private individuals to legally seize foreign vessels.

The practice of privateering, as it’s known, is largely archaic, having been banned by treaty in most countries in the 19th century. But at the time, the United States declined to sign on, worried that doing so would cut off one way in which its naval inferiority could be offset. Were there a war between the United States and a foreign power with a substantial fleet, we could make up some of the difference with the enemy by issuing letters of marque that provided bounties for those willing to engage and destroy foreign ships. In fact, this was a significant factor in the Revolutionary War, during which Britain lost more than 550 ships to American privateers.

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TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)
2. Short answer - - no. Longer answer involves the evolution of...
Wed Mar 2, 2022, 02:13 AM
Mar 2022

international law and the elimination of privateering. For years (I don't remember how many) any private vessels used as warships must be listed as warships on the order of battle and the rest of it.

Hull and cargo insurance clauses may still marque and reprisal, but that is just an artifact for 200 year old practices, that underwriters and lawyers are hesitant to change.

MiniMe

(21,716 posts)
4. Lots of costs there
Wed Mar 2, 2022, 02:18 AM
Mar 2022

To fuel it up, to keep a crew on it, to pay for a place to dock it. No way I'd want that boat. Too much upkeep

Ocelot II

(115,693 posts)
9. I sold my 26' sailboat last spring because of the docking fees and maintenance.
Wed Mar 2, 2022, 12:34 PM
Mar 2022

So I don't think I'd be in the market for a seized oligarch's yacht. It is said of boat ownership that a boat is a hole in the water into which one pours money, though that problem evidently doesn't concern oligarchs.

fescuerescue

(4,448 posts)
10. Not even close
Wed Mar 2, 2022, 01:23 PM
Mar 2022

A 200ft yacht holds about 40,000 gallons of diesel.

That's about $160,000 to fill up.

The yacht in the photo looks much larger. So probably about $250,000 to $500,000 to fill.

Volaris

(10,271 posts)
12. Yeah, but its 6 decks worth of cabins..
Wed Mar 2, 2022, 03:12 PM
Mar 2022

You could probably start your own private cruise line, and make your money back..

Or, you could put cannons in every window hahaha...

Hekate

(90,686 posts)
5. I have to say, that was a fun read! As big as those ships are, tho, they probably come with...
Wed Mar 2, 2022, 02:33 AM
Mar 2022

… a private army to protect them — or quickly could, by asking Eric Prince. Attempting to board one uninvited would probably be a mistake.

Still, I hope certain countries start seizing them at the docks “for inspection.”






lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
7. Biden promised to start seizing them. (though I doubt privateering is going to happen)
Wed Mar 2, 2022, 12:13 PM
Mar 2022

The market for such things would only consist of oligarchs (not gonna just sell 'em back, right?). Next option might be to convert them to mobile refugee camps and hospitals.

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