Would NATO intervene if Putin triggers article 5 by invading a NATO country

[drray23]

or will there be some advocating for not doing so in fears of triggering ww3/ nuclear war ?

If that's the case Putin holds all the cards and there is nothing that can be done.

[Lovie777]

1. Yes . .....

[PoliticAverse]

2. Let's hope we don't need to find out. n/t

[cloudbase]

3. Yes.

No doubt about it.

[tavernier]

4. If Biden is still the president, he would incinerate the invaders.

If Trump is the president, he would help Putin.

[marie999]

5. NATO has to intervene. If NATO does not intervene, then NATO might as well disband

and let Putin have his Soviet Union back.

[Budi]

6. Of course. That's why NATO exists.

[PortTack]

7. NATO and all democracies will respond. He has to be stopped

[Ocelot II]

8. That's what NATO was created for in the first place.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

9. Of course.

Pres. Biden has made that crystal clear in the bluntest terms possible without resorting to profanity.

[AngryOldDem]

10. Yes! That's the whole point of Article 5.

But I think the intervention should be now. All these resolutions, sanctions, etc., are not saving Ukranians. Putin is not going to stop. How high do we set the civilian body count?

[andym]

11. Yes- there would be no choice. NT.

[kairos12]

12. They sure would.

Putin's 40 mile long convoy would be wiped out.

[David__77]

13. The US said it would intervene under such a scenario.

The US also indicated not doing so with the war in Ukraine.

[dpibel]

14. Two very different questions

Absent something extraordinary, which I cannot imagine, of course NATO will collectively defend a NATO member from attack.

Of course there will "be some advocating for not doing so," if by that you mean citizens and probably even politicians. There are Russians protesting the invasion. There were millions of Americans who protested the invasion of Iraq. Those protests had (and, so far as the present invasion is concerned, are having) no effect.

So I'm not quite sure what you're really asking with your compound question. If you're asking whether some single NATO member has veto power over NATO action, I'm pretty sure the answer is no.

[drray23]

18. Treaties are often broken.

For example in 1994 we (United States) along with Russia and Britain signed an agreement with Ukraine that we would guarantee their security if they gave up their nuclear weapons post ussr breakup. They did and yet we are where we are today.

I hope NATO has enough resolve that it does not happen.

[dpibel]

22. You do know that not all agreements are treaties?

And it really makes a difference.

[drray23]

23. yes I do know that.

and I'm hoping that Putin does not try to test NATO's resolve.

[SoonerPride]

15. Yes. If Russia sets foot in or bombs a NATO member then every member country is at war

And Russia knows it.

[FakeNoose]

17. This

There's no question - YES we would intervene and so would every other NATO country. That's why we have a NATO alliance - for mutual defense. If any NATO country gets attacked we are all pledged to come to their defense.

[lagomorph777]

16. That is the exact and only function of NATO.

Failure to do so would void the warrantee.

[Dan]

19. We have no choice!

[peggysue2]

20. That's the whole point of NATO and article 5

When one is attacked, we're all attacked. It's there as a deterrent but means absolutely nothing if we're not prepared to act once a violation occurs.

Yes, it could trigger something far more devastating. But that's where we are.

Putin's only card if he draws outside the lines? Global annihilation.

[drray23]

21. what you are writing is exactly what I was getting at.

Do we have enough resolve to act if article 5 is triggered ? I know it was announced forcefully but it would not be the first time treaties are broken.
As it stands it's up to Putin to decide if he wants to escalate by attacking a NATO country. I hope he has not made the calculation NATO would chicken out.

[peggysue2]

24. I fear you may be exactly right on Putin's miscalculation

Although he's had a comeuppance with Ukraine's fearless, defiant resistance. The best we can hope for is that Putin finds an off-ramp or that his own people demand a cessation. Before he turns Ukraine to dust, that is, or flails around with a retaliatory strike against one of the NATO border countries.

True too that treaties have been broken throughout history but this one either stands or the Western Alliance falls apart.

Of course, if he were to go nuclear we all fall apart.

It's a punishing box for everyone. No easy answers but I'm certainly grateful we have sound minds in DC.