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11 Bravo

(23,926 posts)
Wed Mar 2, 2022, 05:17 PM Mar 2022

In my 71 years on this planet I have never raised a hand to any woman.

Hell, I've never even contemplated such a thing. That's the way I was raised, and I like to think that I would have arrived at that same conclusion irrespective of my upbringing. (Yes, I am well aware that there are many women around who could kick my ass, but for the most part, men are bigger and stronger than women, and that's the genesis of my conviction. It's cowardly and it's wrong.)

But having said that, if I ever came face-to-face with Lauren Boebert I would be sorely pressed to re-evaluate my way of thinking.

To watch that execrable creature harangue Joe Biden as he was paying respect to dead and dying veterans, including his own son, engendered a rage in me that I thought I was no longer capable of harboring. Even now, almost 20 hours later, I still finding myself grinding my teeth in abject fury. As far as I'm concerned she has forfeited the right to walk among decent human beings.

As a Christian I don't say this frivolously ... may God damn you, Lauren Boebert.

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In my 71 years on this planet I have never raised a hand to any woman. (Original Post) 11 Bravo Mar 2022 OP
She gives another black eye to not only GOP but to all Americans. flying_wahini Mar 2022 #1
Her and MTG represent around 50 to 60 MILLION American voters, that is the part I cant accept Eliot Rosewater Mar 2022 #2
You mean 'represent' as they and their fans are all Repubes? Their districts are small potatoes. CurtEastPoint Mar 2022 #7
Yeah, that is what I meant. Unfortunately. Eliot Rosewater Mar 2022 #13
Is there a clip anywhere? mercuryblues Mar 2022 #3
Here you go... BigmanPigman Mar 2022 #33
Thank you mercuryblues Mar 2022 #35
I can't watch it since I see red when I do... BigmanPigman Mar 2022 #37
Whaddya expect from a femal, who mercuryblues Mar 2022 #38
Throw her out bdamomma Mar 2022 #40
They should have been escorted (or dragged) out of the chamber FakeNoose Mar 2022 #4
I agree Rebl2 Mar 2022 #26
+ 1. iluvtennis Mar 2022 #34
Sorry... orwell Mar 2022 #5
She and MTG are the epitome of stupid. demigoddess Mar 2022 #6
I agree they're stupid, but this went WAY past that. 11 Bravo Mar 2022 #9
You have me by a year, and I have thought about it, but we are of the same school. Chainfire Mar 2022 #8
I couldn't hit her. Spray her with bear-spray, maybe.... nt albacore Mar 2022 #10
Yeah, I'm sure that if push came to shove I wouldn't be able to hit her either. 11 Bravo Mar 2022 #12
I could hit her I_UndergroundPanther Mar 2022 #15
Marcus Pacheco And The Birth Of Skinheads Against Racial Prejudice Celerity Mar 2022 #20
Brings back memories. I_UndergroundPanther Mar 2022 #23
I get it. I really do. smirkymonkey Mar 2022 #11
Did you feel the same "urge" when the guy shouted "you lie" at Obama? Or is it because it's a woman Srkdqltr Mar 2022 #14
Joe Wilson managed to be a jackass without shitting on any dead servicemen or women. 11 Bravo Mar 2022 #16
I'm sure there was a big difference. Srkdqltr Mar 2022 #21
How about because Boebert is vile and does nothing else except threaten, insult and disrupt? hadEnuf Mar 2022 #36
I understand your rage completely. They are both vile, loathsome creatures who think they will be LaMouffette Mar 2022 #17
I wouldn't hit anyone, man or woman, unless they hit me first. LuckyCharms Mar 2022 #18
One Correction For Me ProfessorGAC Mar 2022 #32
Might be more effective to smack the people who voted for her. Solly Mack Mar 2022 #19
Spit JustAnotherGen Mar 2022 #22
I understand PatSeg Mar 2022 #24
I'm a woman in my sixties hamsterjill Mar 2022 #25
yes and her sidekick MTG housecat Mar 2022 #27
I'm more inclined to spit in her face. GoCubsGo Mar 2022 #28
Dear 11 Bravo: Collimator Mar 2022 #29
Well I wouldn't "hit it". CentralMass Mar 2022 #30
I would Polybius Mar 2022 #41
My daughter would love the chance to kick the crap out of her. Said "I'll do it for u Dad." NoMoreRepugs Mar 2022 #31
The real problem is the people who voted for them. CrispyQ Mar 2022 #39
I did once Polybius Mar 2022 #42

Eliot Rosewater

(31,109 posts)
2. Her and MTG represent around 50 to 60 MILLION American voters, that is the part I cant accept
Wed Mar 2, 2022, 05:20 PM
Mar 2022

but I know it is true.


Hate and ignorance is all they have.

mercuryblues

(14,530 posts)
38. Whaddya expect from a femal, who
Wed Mar 2, 2022, 08:13 PM
Mar 2022

married a pedophile. IE her husband exposed himself to her when she was a minor.

orwell

(7,771 posts)
5. Sorry...
Wed Mar 2, 2022, 05:26 PM
Mar 2022

...can't buy into the violence thing. You lost me there.

I do understand the rage though. But I would rather use my anger quotient on someone who actually deserves it. Right now in order it is (top 5):

Vladdy Daddy
Merde-a-Lardo
DeathSantis
HeY'Abbott
BolsoNarco

These two aren't even top 10...

11 Bravo

(23,926 posts)
9. I agree they're stupid, but this went WAY past that.
Wed Mar 2, 2022, 05:30 PM
Mar 2022

I can pity stupidity. This behavior was cruel, unfeeling, and flat-out inhuman.

Chainfire

(17,526 posts)
8. You have me by a year, and I have thought about it, but we are of the same school.
Wed Mar 2, 2022, 05:29 PM
Mar 2022

My Grandmother would have spanked her and washed her mouth out with soap. Such clueless idiots the Republicans are sending to represent them. It has to be filed under the Birds and Feathers heading.

Security should have frog-marched her out of the venue.

11 Bravo

(23,926 posts)
12. Yeah, I'm sure that if push came to shove I wouldn't be able to hit her either.
Wed Mar 2, 2022, 05:36 PM
Mar 2022

But DAMN if she's not a despicable thing!

I_UndergroundPanther

(12,463 posts)
15. I could hit her
Wed Mar 2, 2022, 05:44 PM
Mar 2022

Im non binary and I have fought racists in the 90's as a Sharp.

I would punch her like any other white power nazi trash.

Celerity

(43,294 posts)
20. Marcus Pacheco And The Birth Of Skinheads Against Racial Prejudice
Wed Mar 2, 2022, 06:16 PM
Mar 2022
https://web.archive.org/web/20160322084010/https://frank151.com/marcus-pacheco-sharp/



In America during the 1980s, white nationalist recruitment was on the rise and so were misconceptions about any youth with a shaved head. It was in this hostile climate that Marcus Pacheco co-founded Skinheads Against Racial Prejudice, better known as S.H.A.R.P. For Pacheco, a half-Puerto Rican New Yorker, being a skinhead was about identifying with a particular lifestyle tied to the genre of music he was into, not an ethos of hate. And like a lot of youth subcultures, being a skinhead had more to do with belonging to a group than a defining ideology.



After years of brawls between S.H.A.R.P.s and neo-Nazis breaking out at shows, clubs, and in the streets of New York City, Pacheco left and moved to the Bay Area. He still lives there , working as a respected tattoo artist. Presently white supremacist skinheads and other hate groups are experiencing a period of growth and emboldening in America. In the wake of new clashes between these groups and their anti-racist counterparts, we reached out to Pacheco for some insight into the true origins of American skinhead culture, and how he and his friends tried to use the S.H.A.R.P. movement to stop the influence of hate groups.

Can you give the backstory of Skinheads Against Racial Prejudice?

It was in something like 1987 when we started S.H.A.R.P. I came up with the name, but my friends and I were the ones who really started pushing it. Initially it was just a response to all the negative media attention that the skinhead subculture was getting, specifically because they were characterizing [all] skinheads as synonymous with neo-Nazism. I don’t know how much you know about the skinhead subculture, but the origin of skinhead style stems from the combination of the British Mod and the Jamaican Rudeboy subculture. Initially it wasn’t political or racist at all, because they were actually adopting the look and music from Jamaican immigrants that were living in London.



Even the shaved heads was a style they borrowed from the Jamaicans, and the initial skinhead music was Jamaican music like ska on Blue Beat, all that rocksteady stuff from the ‘60s, and soul. When my friends and I and a lot of other skinheads got involved in the subculture, it was a reflection of that original style. When the media started pushing this idea that skinheads were synonymous with neo-Nazism, it made it really difficult for my friends and me. We were also really against the whole idea that it should be promoted that way. We made patches and flyers and stuff like that and just made ourselves identifiable. We also wanted to slow down the wave. At that point it became really cool and trendy to be a neo-Nazi. I know that sounds ridiculous, but it was for a lot of young kids. One thing that I recognized at that point was that a lot of these kids just wanted something to belong to, something they thought was cool and tough.

THE PRESS - The Complete Press 1984-1994



Some of the people in my group of friends were from this band called The Press. It was a New York Oi! band and they were in the midst of having a record produced by a guy named Roddy Moreno, who was a skinhead in the U.K. He had a couple record labels—one that put out Oi! music and the other one put out ska music. When he went to New York to meet with [The Press] to get the tapes and all that stuff, he found out about S.H.A.R.P. and what we were doing, and he brought it over to the U.K. He started promoting it through the record label and that’s how we were able to have more of a world wide impact. At the time we had a PO box in New York and after he started promoting it in the U.K. we started getting mail from all over the world: Germany, Switzerland, Italy, England. We started getting invited to do local television programs and myself and a couple of my friends were on that infamous Geraldo show where he got his nose broken by some neo-Nazis from California that they flew out there for the show.

snip

I_UndergroundPanther

(12,463 posts)
23. Brings back memories.
Wed Mar 2, 2022, 06:33 PM
Mar 2022

My head wasen't totally shaven. I wore a blue mowhawk with liberty spikes. Still have that mowhawk but its different now. Had a black army shirt with ripped off sleeves,studs with the sharp logo on the back. Wore docs,still do. Had a lot of fun making neo nazis miserable.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
11. I get it. I really do.
Wed Mar 2, 2022, 05:35 PM
Mar 2022

She and MTG are really hateful, awful people and it would be a shame not to take a swipe at her given half-a-chance.

Srkdqltr

(6,267 posts)
14. Did you feel the same "urge" when the guy shouted "you lie" at Obama? Or is it because it's a woman
Wed Mar 2, 2022, 05:38 PM
Mar 2022

Not that she should have shouted out, but it's not new. Biden probably thought it was stupid or funny. Not a violence occasion. I would bet he expected it. I know it crossed my mind beforehand.

11 Bravo

(23,926 posts)
16. Joe Wilson managed to be a jackass without shitting on any dead servicemen or women.
Wed Mar 2, 2022, 05:48 PM
Mar 2022

I can explain the difference to you, but I can't understand it for you.

hadEnuf

(2,186 posts)
36. How about because Boebert is vile and does nothing else except threaten, insult and disrupt?
Wed Mar 2, 2022, 08:10 PM
Mar 2022

Joe Wilson is a piece of RW trash. Boebert and MTG are worse. Being a woman or a man has nothing to do with it.

LaMouffette

(2,022 posts)
17. I understand your rage completely. They are both vile, loathsome creatures who think they will be
Wed Mar 2, 2022, 05:48 PM
Mar 2022

rightwing darlings by copying Traitor Trump's offensive, outrageous, look-at-me!-look-at-me! behavior.

But they don't realize that the walls are closing in on Trump, who will soon be, I believe, cast under the bus and discarded by Republican politicians as Trump gets more and more politically toxic.

Once the Republican Party is done with Trump, they will bury him away in their collective memory like a cat turd in a litter box. Once that happens, the Republican voters will forget about him, too.

Trump and his "Manson girls" Boebart and MTG will fade away into irrelevancy, at least Boebart and MTG will. I fear that Trump will continue trying to matter for all the rest of his days.

LuckyCharms

(17,425 posts)
18. I wouldn't hit anyone, man or woman, unless they hit me first.
Wed Mar 2, 2022, 05:54 PM
Mar 2022

If a woman hit me, my first inclination would be to protect myself. However, if she was kicking my ass and putting me at serious risk, I would retaliate.

I hear you, and I understand. I think the person you mentioned, as well as her cohort, need some serious adjustment.

I'm sure someone will perform that adjustment at some point, but I couldn't do it.

Like you, it has to do with how I was raised, but it also has to do with my desire to remain out of prison.

ProfessorGAC

(64,989 posts)
32. One Correction For Me
Wed Mar 2, 2022, 07:44 PM
Mar 2022

I wouldn't hit anybody unless they tried to hit me.
If the hit didn't land, their lack of success wouldn't stop me from striking back.
I might give a woman a second chance to rethink their course of action. Another attempted hit & all bets are off.
But, any attempt to inflict harm to me is justification to retaliate. Don't want none, don't start none!
Other than that, you, me & the OP think alike.

hamsterjill

(15,220 posts)
25. I'm a woman in my sixties
Wed Mar 2, 2022, 06:41 PM
Mar 2022

And given the opportunity, I could slap some sense into her. I don’t condone violence. Full stop. But the only way to stop a bully is to be a bigger bully.

She acted out last night to get attention. She’s not a toddler that needs to be put in time out. She’s an adult who needs to be taught that she should NEVER pull that shit again.

Collimator

(1,639 posts)
29. Dear 11 Bravo:
Wed Mar 2, 2022, 07:29 PM
Mar 2022

I know that you don't really want to hit her as in drive your knuckles into the vulnerable bones of her face. What you want is to see her corrected because she is behaving like a very rude and entitled child.

Now, I know that spanking is very much out of fashion these days, but I don't mean to invoke an image of a child being roundly struck over and over again while being draped over a knee. In my mind, a quick smack on the bottom while being led away to a quiet place for a time out seems like a reasonable response.

Oh, and there is a rich irony in the behavior of Boebert's compatriot, MTG, when she was the one crouching in front of the mail slot of AOC's office door ordering her to "take off your diaper" and act "Like a big girl."

Boebert and Green are petty, mean-spirited people getting their swagger on. Neither has the background or skillset to meaningfully participate in governance or even politics. They are trying to rise to the top of the cesspool occupied by the likes of McConnell and Graham, who at least know what they are doing.

CrispyQ

(36,446 posts)
39. The real problem is the people who voted for them.
Thu Mar 3, 2022, 12:56 PM
Mar 2022

Turns out, 38-40% of our adult population are mean-spirited shits who never matured past 7th grade.

Boebert's district was re-drawn & it's likely she won't win a second term. That said, I read that there are at least 20 Q-anon whackos running for congress in 2022 & that was several months ago. It might be more.

Polybius

(15,373 posts)
42. I did once
Thu Mar 3, 2022, 01:18 PM
Mar 2022

I was in the 1st grade. My father had taught me that if anyone hits me first, to hit them back. So when I got home from school, I expected him to be all proud of me. His reaction was "You hit a girl?!?" Then he hit me. I've never hit a female since, even the ones who hit me.

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