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bluewater

(5,376 posts)
Wed Mar 2, 2022, 07:32 PM Mar 2022

Russia seeks 'slow annihilation' of Ukraine's military

US officials warn Russia will increasingly hit civilian targets and seek 'slow annihilation' of Ukraine's military

Russia's strategy in its war on Ukraine is shifting toward a "slow annihilation" of the Ukrainian military, US and other Western officials tell CNN, warning that Russia could focus on a bloody and deadly bombardment of cities and civilian targets as the conflict becomes a grinding war of attrition.

Ukrainian forces have so far been able to stave off Russia's initial push, maintaining control of Kyiv and other major cities. But they remain massively outgunned and outmanned. And Russia is now bringing in heavier, more destructive weaponry and increasingly striking civilian infrastructure, after an initial focus on military targets, the officials said.
The shift in strategy likely reflects a recognition by Russian President Vladimir Putin that his initial plan to quickly topple Kyiv has failed, said one senior Western intelligence official -- in part because the Ukrainians have put up a stiffer than anticipated fight and in part because logistics and supply missteps have slowed the Russian advance.
But Western officials now expect that Russia will ramp up heavy weapons bombardment of Ukraine's cities and potentially march in "tens of thousands" of troops, one US official said. Eventually, officials caution, Ukraine's military will likely run short of supplies needed to keep up the fight.
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'Cruel military math'

Ukraine's will to fight "is extending this," said the senior Western intelligence official. "But the cruel military math of this will eventually come to bear, absent some intervention, absent some fundamental change in the dynamic."
For Ukraine, whose military forces and civilian population have shown no signs of capitulating, the war appears poised to become a grim struggle for survival over a protracted, uncertain future.
The numbers are already bleak: Russia has lost roughly 3% to 5% of its tanks, aircraft, artillery and other military assets inside Ukraine — compared with Ukrainian losses of roughly 10% of its capabilities, according to two US officials familiar with the latest intelligence.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/03/02/politics/us-russia-ukraine-civilians-warning/index.html


We, the US and NATO that is, must either intervene directly immediately with our superior military might to back Ukrainian forces or de-escalate tensions somehow.

Anything else seems to be using the brave Ukrainian resistance as cannon fodder in a losing cause in a proxy war with Russia.


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Russia seeks 'slow annihilation' of Ukraine's military (Original Post) bluewater Mar 2022 OP
Proxy war? Bullshit! Putin invaded Ukraine to try to gain something. Wake up! . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2022 #1
Everyone knows Russia started this war bluewater Mar 2022 #7
Nato has not intervened, Ukraine is not a member, and it is NOT a proxy war. Period. . . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2022 #8
NATO has intervened militarily in the past to help save lives in non-NATO Countries bluewater Mar 2022 #12
+1000 PortTack Mar 2022 #24
"somehow" - that's the rub. a nuclear war probably benefits nobody nt msongs Mar 2022 #2
30 days atreides1 Mar 2022 #3
The Baltic states are part of NATO....read article 5 of the NATO alliance PortTack Mar 2022 #5
That's what we thought about Vietnam CanonRay Mar 2022 #4
Also, Think Afghanistan ProfessorGAC Mar 2022 #10
We didn't tet pushed out of Vietnam, we got tired and left Ex Lurker Mar 2022 #25
But it's very expensive. CanonRay Mar 2022 #30
With Nukes Putin Will Be Dead In 20 Minutes And He Knows It DanieRains Mar 2022 #6
The day will soon come when it is all over. Irish_Dem Mar 2022 #9
💛💙 Laura PourMeADrink Mar 2022 #15
So true. bluewater Mar 2022 #16
No. We are choosing to do nothing. Happy Hoosier Mar 2022 #19
I know, but when I say what you say, I get jumped on. Irish_Dem Mar 2022 #21
I heat ya. Let them come. Happy Hoosier Mar 2022 #22
100% certainty that we will come to regret our inaction. Irish_Dem Mar 2022 #27
I mean, we could call his bluff and tell the madman to go back in his corner Calculating Mar 2022 #34
"I wanted to win in the tenth round. That was my strategy all along." greenjar_01 Mar 2022 #11
Indeed. bluewater Mar 2022 #14
This does sound like "I MEANT to do that!" Wingus Dingus Mar 2022 #32
Is it fast or is is slow? Generic Brad Mar 2022 #13
I feel rage and my heart is broken in ten thousand pieces. onecaliberal Mar 2022 #17
But we still promise not to intervene.... Happy Hoosier Mar 2022 #18
Worse than that, many nations are still active funding Russia's war machine. Lancero Mar 2022 #20
Nord Stream 2 NEVER Opened. Europe is still buying Russian Gas thru the existing pipelines. bluewater Mar 2022 #29
They'll only run short of supplies if we let them Azathoth Mar 2022 #23
I was in the Army back in the '80s... XacerbatedDem Mar 2022 #26
"Ukraine's will to fight is extending this," said the senior Western intelligence official Blaukraut Mar 2022 #28
I agree with being truthful and realistic about the disadvantages Wingus Dingus Mar 2022 #33
Then the rest of the free world should seek slow annihilation of Russia's economy and Wingus Dingus Mar 2022 #31

bluewater

(5,376 posts)
7. Everyone knows Russia started this war
Wed Mar 2, 2022, 07:43 PM
Mar 2022

The question is whether we, the US and NATO, step up and intervene militarily or do we leave the brave Ukrainian resistance fighting what should be our battle too all by themselves.

Half measures just means more Ukrainian forces will die in a fight CNN and US officials say they cannot win.

Tragic, but true.

bluewater

(5,376 posts)
12. NATO has intervened militarily in the past to help save lives in non-NATO Countries
Wed Mar 2, 2022, 07:50 PM
Mar 2022

That's a fact.

We, the US and NATO, intervened in Libya to stop Gadaffi's genocidal plans, as just one example.

Ukraine not being a NATO member is irrelevant in whether or not we have a moral obligation to help them resist this Russian invasion.

Again, half measures will just lead to more Ukrainian deaths in a losing cause.

Tragic, but true.

atreides1

(16,077 posts)
3. 30 days
Wed Mar 2, 2022, 07:39 PM
Mar 2022

That's all that Ukraine has, left!

All the military equipment in the universe is useless...if there isn't anyone to use it!

Once Putin installs his puppet government...the Baltic states will be next...and I don't believe that NATO will do anything!!!

ProfessorGAC

(65,013 posts)
10. Also, Think Afghanistan
Wed Mar 2, 2022, 07:48 PM
Mar 2022

It took 15 minutes to rout the Taliban.
20 years later, we cease the occupation and in under a week they were at it again.
All that power didn't change anything. It just chased the rats into the sewer until later.
And, their military wouldn't be any more successful against a protracted insurgency of the invaded.

Ex Lurker

(3,813 posts)
25. We didn't tet pushed out of Vietnam, we got tired and left
Wed Mar 2, 2022, 08:20 PM
Mar 2022

we could have stayed there indefinitely if we had had the willpower. Russia can stay in Ukraine indefinitely if he has the willpower. We can make it extremely costly for him but we can't push him out without widening the war.

 

DanieRains

(4,619 posts)
6. With Nukes Putin Will Be Dead In 20 Minutes And He Knows It
Wed Mar 2, 2022, 07:42 PM
Mar 2022

If retaliation doesn't get him in his bunker, his buddies that live will get him.

And they had it so good.....

Irish_Dem

(47,027 posts)
9. The day will soon come when it is all over.
Wed Mar 2, 2022, 07:46 PM
Mar 2022

A bloodbath and demolished country.

A remarkable people gone. A people who were brave, showed good will in the face of adversity, smart, clever, maintained their sense of humor when facing evil. The kind of people who are the best of mankind.

And there was nothing we could do because a madman threatened to blow up the world.

Happy Hoosier

(7,303 posts)
19. No. We are choosing to do nothing.
Wed Mar 2, 2022, 08:10 PM
Mar 2022

It‘s up to us how we decide to respond to threats.

And we have to own that. We are not powerless. We are choosing not to act.

Irish_Dem

(47,027 posts)
27. 100% certainty that we will come to regret our inaction.
Wed Mar 2, 2022, 08:25 PM
Mar 2022

People way smarter than I am could come up with a plan that is somewhere between doing nothing and WWIII. The bank plan is not slowing down Putin in the least, and even if it does, it will be too late.

If there is no one who can come up with a plan to save Ukraine then the $trillions we spend on our government and military is a waste.

Putin will feel he is invincible and will move onto his next victim.

We own some responsibility for all of this. We allowed Putin to take over half our congress and the US media, install a US president and greatly divide and weaken our country. Putin was emboldened by his success in the US and moved onto Ukraine.

Calculating

(2,955 posts)
34. I mean, we could call his bluff and tell the madman to go back in his corner
Wed Mar 2, 2022, 08:59 PM
Mar 2022

Or we could also do nothing, because we're seemingly terrified of him(which is exactly what he wants)

 

greenjar_01

(6,477 posts)
11. "I wanted to win in the tenth round. That was my strategy all along."
Wed Mar 2, 2022, 07:49 PM
Mar 2022

Sounds like making a virtue of necessity to me.

Generic Brad

(14,275 posts)
13. Is it fast or is is slow?
Wed Mar 2, 2022, 07:54 PM
Mar 2022

Is part of the plan getting their asses kicked, soldiers going AWOL, and all their elite units getting killed? Putin is clueless and way stupider than the world expected him to be.

It's easy to damage things. Any oaf can do that. But building things takes intelligence. Putin has proven himself to be an oaf.

Lancero

(3,003 posts)
20. Worse than that, many nations are still active funding Russia's war machine.
Wed Mar 2, 2022, 08:12 PM
Mar 2022

20 billion Euros. Thats how much money Germany alone provided Russia last year when buying gas and oil. A full third of their military budget, from just one country.

Russian soliders are committing these atrocities. But its the West funding it.

We need to start sanctioning Russia's top exports, which so far have been left alone.

bluewater

(5,376 posts)
29. Nord Stream 2 NEVER Opened. Europe is still buying Russian Gas thru the existing pipelines.
Wed Mar 2, 2022, 08:32 PM
Mar 2022

Russian soliders are committing these atrocities. But its the West funding it.

We need to start sanctioning Russia's top exports, which so far have been left alone.


So true.

Azathoth

(4,608 posts)
23. They'll only run short of supplies if we let them
Wed Mar 2, 2022, 08:14 PM
Mar 2022

There should be an endless conveyor belt of military and humanitarian supplies rolling into Ukraine on a daily basis. And Russia needs to know it will never slow down. Let Russia know that for every functioning Russian tank in Ukraine, the Ukranians will receive 10 Javelins a week.

Give em hundreds of long range drones and medium range ballistic missiles. Let them hit Russia's civilian infrastructure in retaliation. Tit for tat.

If Russia wants a war of attrition, give it to them with both barrels. Ukraine will have the financial support to rebuild. Russia won't.

XacerbatedDem

(511 posts)
26. I was in the Army back in the '80s...
Wed Mar 2, 2022, 08:21 PM
Mar 2022

stationed in Germany to keep an eye on the Ruskies. The whole time I was there, one phrase kept coming up over and over again - "Nuke 'em till they glow."

I don't think, in a war between the US and Russia, that that reality would not come to pass, from one side or the other.

Either way, not a good result for the planet on the whole. I keep hoping it won't come to that, for once that door is opened, well, look up the history of Hiroshima and Nagasaki after WW2; not a good place to live.

My heart goes out to Ukraine but I hope the sanctions work and that they are accepted into the EU. Maybe that will put an end to the madness, otherwise, time to start having more than active shooter drills in our schools.

Blaukraut

(5,693 posts)
28. "Ukraine's will to fight is extending this," said the senior Western intelligence official
Wed Mar 2, 2022, 08:26 PM
Mar 2022

Sure sounds to me like NATO and Europe want Ukraine to hurry up and give in so we don't have to worry about Putin getting mad enough to use nukes. Shameful. Putin is not going to stop with Ukraine.

Wingus Dingus

(8,052 posts)
33. I agree with being truthful and realistic about the disadvantages
Wed Mar 2, 2022, 08:47 PM
Mar 2022

that Ukraine faces. But there's no need to suggest they will inevitably lose, either. Not helpful at all. Zelensky isn't delusional and most likely neither he nor his administration (should he not survive) are going to allow carnage to continue when there's no hope left, but Ukraine isn't there yet. Give them a chance, let the sanctions squeeze Russia, and HELP THEM, "western officials".

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