"I don't know it for a fact, but I know it's true..." (To paraphrase Bill Maher)

[kentuck]

Russia is not a country. It is a international criminal enterprise masquerading as a gas station.

The people of Russia accept that their country is run by criminals. They have convinced themselves that is the way of the world. Putin is their Godfather.

Putin and Trump stole the election of 2016 from the American people.

Trump is one of Putin's oligarchs.

Trump worked with Putin to try and overthrow NATO and to put Ukraine back under the control of Putin.

They thought they had successfully stolen the election in 2020.

The American government and Intelligence know all of this to be factual but refuse to tell the American people.

The attempted overthrow of Zelinskyy in Ukraine is directly connected to the attempted overthrow of American democracy.

[Irish_Dem]

1. Thank you for connecting the dots!

This is all very accurate.

[whathehell]

7. How do you, or anyone here "know this to be factual"

especially the contention that "The government
and the intelligence know this to be factual but refuse to tell us", with nothing resembling a link?

Why would the government in a Joe Biden administration "refuse to tell us"?

[Irish_Dem]

13. Why single out me?

I am only supporting the OP as others did.

[whathehell]

14. Nothing personal..

I can only address one person at a time, and I asked the OP the same question.

[MLAA]

2. Good summary! And all true, thanks kentuck.

[CincyDem]

3. I first heard this quote from Condi Rice at a trade show presentation...

She said two things that stick with me.

Russia is run like a mob family and mob families have a business facade for legitimacy…theirs is oil. They’re a mob with a gas station.

There’s a difference between the US and Russia. Both have Presidents but on the US has a Presidency that has a planned peaceful transition of power.

This was circa 2012 so pre TFG.

[The Magistrate]

4. Hear Hear, Sir!

[Doc Sportello]

5. Well said

K&R

[whathehell]

6. " The American government knows this to be..

factual.but refuse to tell the American people"

Link?

[SoonerPride]

20. You fail to grasp that this is conjecture, not fact. No link needed.

It is also based upon Bill Maher's long standing comedy bit.

[whathehell]

22. I "failed" nothing..Everyone doesn't watch Bill Maher.

[SoonerPride]

26. The OP clearly stated that it was his opinion.

[whathehell]

27. The OP stared something about Bill Maher,

but the clarity of it left much to be desired.

[SoonerPride]

28. I don't known it for a fact, but I just know it's true

Clearly says THIS IS MY OPINION.

Sigh.

You seem like this is upsetting you for some reason.

So have a nice night.

[whathehell]

29. Lol.. I seem to be upsetting You for some reason..

So you have a nice night too.

[Joinfortmill]

8. Yes

[monkeyman1]

9. " for the good of American people , we'll keep secret! !

heard that crap before !!

[whathehell]

15. Except you're not hearing it now -' The OP has provided no links

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for his assertion.

[EndlessWire]

17. He implied in his title that he had

none, but believed his assertion to be true. This is an opinion piece. He isn't required to provide links.

[whathehell]

24. Even opinion pieces need some support

in order to be taken seriously.

[Botany]

10. "The American government and Intelligence know all of this to be factual but refuse to tell ...

... the American people. "

Release the Muller Report!

[whathehell]

16. You realize that's a totally undocumented assertion, right?

It seems things have changed here..I guess now we only need links when statements made don't
conform to pre-existing biases.:

[ProfessorGAC]

18. Do You Realize...

...the OP is borrowing a bit from a comedian?
Your persistence in posting on this thread suggests you do not.

[whathehell]

25. Do you and the OP realize

that not everyone watches or listens to Bil Maher?

The vague, indirect manner in which the OP was written suggests not.

[Botany]

19. How about the seante intelligence committtee? Chaired by a republican

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/muckraker/senate-intel-russian-meddling-report


Senate Intel Releases New Findings On Russia’s 2016 Election Meddling

The Senate Intelligence Committee on Tuesday evening released an unclassified summary of one of the multiple reports it intends to release as part of its election meddling investigation. The summary focuses on the committee’s findings with regards to the cyber-intrusion campaign Russian-linked entities launched targeting state and local election infrastructure. It also includes updates to recommendations the committee previously offered for election official to protect their systems for the 2018 elections.

“Russian actors scanned databases for vulnerabilities, attempted intrusions, and in a small number of cases successfully penetrated a voter registration database,” the summary said.

The summary says that 18 states had their election systems targeted, and that the intelligence community had varying confidence another three may have been targeted. Department of Homeland Security previously informed 21 states their infrastructures had been targeted, many via so-called “scans.” That notification last year did not clear up many questions surrounding the hacking attempts.

snip

In a “small number of states,” the committee said, those attacks targeted systems that were restricted from the public, and, “in a small number,” the cyber-intruders “were in a position to, at a minimum, alter or delete voter registration data.”

Or the New Yorker? The Washington Post has tapes of Ryan, McCarthy, and Scalise from the the summer of 2016 laughing it up about Putin paying Trump in front of other republicans.

https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/paul-ryan-keeps-it-family-kevin-mccarthy-russia-trump

A New Report Adds Evidence That Trump Was a Russian Asset
He helped Putin manipulate the U.S. election in 2020, as he did in 2016.

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2021/03/trump-russian-asset-election-intelligence-community-report.html

[whathehell]

23. What about it?..The post claims the government "is"

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keeping it secret, not "was", as in the Trump administration you're referencing.

[Ohio Joe]

11. K & R - nt

[halfulglas]

12. I remember back in the 90s when Russia supposedly regained their "freedom" from USSR.

People here were rejoicing in seeing people vote and the state giving shares in previously owned state industries, etc. Jimmy Carter if I remember correctly said something to the effect of No, this isn't a democracy. They had no constitution and no concept of rule of law. The country did nothing to stop those "shares" of the industries from being scooped up by the soon to be oligarchs who were previously party officials from people who had no idea what the shares were worth, no laws to protect people from the rich and powerful.

[Hamlette]

21. Read "Red Notice" by Bill Browder

it explained to my satisfaction why the oligarchs are so evil and where they came from.

(The movie by the same title has nothing to do with the book.)

[H2O Man]

30. Recommended.

Absolutely, 100% on target.