Tx Hispanics attracted to GOP's anti-immigration stance "Democrats want to give everything away"

[Demovictory9]

I'm hoping Beto is ready to counter these opinions

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¿Y nosotros?

And what about us?

“I hear every day that they’re tired — they feel that there is so much attention and help being given to the immigrants,” Ms. Flores said. “The attention’s on all these illegal immigrants, and not on them.”

Grievance politics, it turns out, translates.

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“Our parents came in a certain way — they came in and worked, they became citizens and didn’t ask for anything,” said Ramiro Gonzalez Jr., a 48-year-old rancher from Raymondville, on the northern edge of the Rio Grande Valley. “We were raised hard-core Democrats, but today Democrats want to give everything away.”

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“The people coming now seem to be less willing to work and are more dangerous compared to how it used to be,” Mr. Cabrera said. “I’m not saying all of them, but trust me, there’s a lot of people who are crossing this border and they don’t care about this country. They want to just commit crime. They want to just come make money the wrong way. They don’t want the American dream.”


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“I’m OK with people coming in saying I’m going to do something productive,” Mr. Cadriel said. “But that wasn’t what was happening. You’d have these people claiming they needed food stamps for their children, but their children were babies, so who do you think was benefiting from it? They were just trying to take advantage.”

The Cadriels equate walking away from the Democratic Party with getting an education, not from college courses or books, but from conservative media and scripture. A retired educator and churchgoing Catholic, Ms. Cadriel, 57, slowly began to feel that her family’s traditional values were under attack. She stopped watching Good Morning America and The View in favor of Fox News.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/28/us/politics/border-grievance-politics.html


Joe and Diana Cadriel of Weslaco, Texas, voted for Hillary Clinton in 2016 and Donald Trump in 2020.Credit...Jason Garza for The New York Times

[SoCalDavidS]

1. Sorry, But You'd Have To Be A Real Asshole To Vote For Clinton In '16 & TFG In '20

I just can't accept the fact someone who voted for Hillary would watch that POS for 4 years and think, "Yeah, I'd like another 4 of that."

[Demovictory9]

3. yeah, i know. its perplexing

[Lovie777]

2. The people I've met are very hard working and kind and caring . . ...

it's really sad that some seems to forget what their parents went through and survived because of Democrats.

[atreides1]

4. Wow

Hispanics who hate other Hispanics...and think that the GOP will give them anything!!!

[PortTack]

21. They refuse to welcome other Hispanics into the country. The feeling that is talked about in So. AZ

And has been the topic of radio talk shows and blogs...I have mine and I’m not sharing

[texasfiddler]

5. Definitely not the Henry B Gonzalez era of Texas Hispanics.

Thanks Fox News and AM radio.

[SunSeeker]

6. The "I got mine" crowd. Repulsive. nt

[EarlG]

7. This is simply a fundamental difference between Republicans and Democrats

If your attitude in life is “I got mine, fuck you” then you’re gonna be a Republican.

This guy doesn’t realize that his good, honest, hardworking parents would, at the time they arrived in the country, have been the target of the exact same bigotry that he is now projecting on to others. But they got in, he got his, now fuck anyone else seeking their own better life.

I’m not sure there’s much that can be done about this. Selfish people are Republicans because they’re selfish people.

[Iggo]

8. We got those here, too. Always have.

My people ain’t immune to I Got Mine.

[orwell]

9. Good propaganda...

...always holds a thread of truth.

If Democrats do not understand what is happening, they will be fighting with a blindfold.

RePubeLieCants frame better than we do. We talk real policies. They tell stories.

We need to do both if we are to combat this.

We need to micro target using emotional memes and imagery. We ceded talk radio and it is killing us in rural areas.

We need to get in the game and stop laughing at the other sides tactics.

A minority party now has a majority on the Supreme Court not because they govern better or have better ideas, they understand the game better and they are ruthlessly effective at playing it.

[Demovictory9]

10. "We ceded talk radio " I listened to left wing radio back in the 80s and 90s. watched it die

now rightwingers own the air waves. it's crazy

[orwell]

12. The programs were too wonky...

...Stephanie Miller gets it. She makes you laugh while she is punching Drumpf in the nuts.

Rachel Maddow is not good talk radio. She's fine on MSNBC, but terrible on the radio.

[Demovictory9]

13. they also went 100% anti Iraq war, didn't focus on anything else. Stephanie Miller was the last to

go. then I switched to SF radio, which came in overnight. The guy I listened to most went to jail for pedo stuff. that was that.

[orwell]

14. Bernie Ward...

...I loved his show. I was shocked at all the pedo stuff.

I grew up in the Bay Area. I still live two hours north in Lake Co.

[Demovictory9]

17. yeah Bernie Ward. He was my last option for leftwing radio..other than Democracy Now

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernie_Ward

I see he got out of prison 9 years ago

[CrackityJones75]

16. I enjoyed Maddow on air america

She was way less serious then and much more jovial.

[Demovictory9]

18. I hadnt heard of her until she turned up on TV

[orwell]

27. I did too actually...

...but I like wonky discussions.

I'm talking about reaching a different audience than me.

Al Franken is pretty good on his podcast. You almost need people who come from the entertainment/comedy field who know how to entertain while shaping opinion.

[CrackityJones75]

38. I'd agree with that.

[LuvLoogie]

29. I think Hal Sparks is the best at framing.

He's quick, articulate, funny, kind, and can really slice up the opposition.

[orwell]

30. I hadn't heard of him...

...Thanks for the heads up!

[LuvLoogie]

31. He used to be a regular Wednesday guest on Stephanie

He has his own two-hour show on Saturdays on WCPT, the Chicago liberal talk station. You can stream it via Tune in Radio app or direct from the WCPT website. He's an actor, comedian, musician. He toured with the Sexy Liberal Show.

Also played the Dad on Disney's TV show Lab Rats.

[LuvLoogie]

32. Here is a recent livestream. he does them following the radio show

[orwell]

35. Thanks...

...He looks familiar. Maybe I caught him on SM's show.

Thanks again.

[Demovictory9]

40. he's an actor.

[Demovictory9]

39. oh that's the actor from "Queer as folk"

[LuvLoogie]

41. Yes!

Although my daughters and I watched Lab Rats. I never saw QAF. I rarely watch any TV, but I really like Hal.

[BlueCheeseAgain]

15. The Rio Grande Valley definitely shifted away from Democrats in the 2020 election.

Weird to think that Trump's racist xenophobia wouldn't drive recent immigrants away, but that's what happened.

[orwell]

28. My sister warned my about this.

She had worked with a lot of legal immigrants who HATE illegal immigration. They ate up Drumpf anti-immigrant rhetoric.

I was shocked. She was right.

[UTUSN]

19. Yip, i got mine nobody after me.

[Hoyt]

24. Exactly. It's sad.

[albacore]

20. To think that Texas hispanics CAN'T be fucked in the head is racist thinking...

Hispanics get to be just as fucked in the head as anybody else.

[ibegurpard]

22. Not much we can do about selfish people

Indoctrinated by propaganda and lies. Except try to get the truth to them. No fucking way would I support a Democrat who was running on a campaign of xenophobia and racism.

[madville]

23. Beto can't beat Abbott this year

His anti-gun stance is something he can’t fix, guarantees his ceiling at 45%, Abbott will get 51 or 52

[Liberal In Texas]

25. There's been a large number of new Spanish language RW radio stations going on the air.

This is front and center of the rights attempt at winning the Latino vote. The same kind of propaganda that's been successful in forming the RW base is being pumped out on the airwaves in Hispanic communities in Spanish.

Democrats have not taken seriously the damage propaganda over (mostly) AM radio has done for the last 30 years. Now we're getting skewered by them in Spanish.

It's about time Democrats got serious about funding/operating/buying broadcast outlets in as many markets as possible. And some of them should be in Spanish.

[rownesheck]

26. My takeaway from this:

religion can make you a complete fucking selfish asshole. Fuck these people. Traditional values under attack. Go fuck yourself.

[Solly Mack]

33. Babies don't eat?

They sound like right-wingers, regardless of their claims being raised otherwise.

They changed channels because they wanted their already in place prejudices (against the poor, against the non-religious, buying into the hype that they did it all on their own and everyone else is a freeloader) validated.

[Jspur]

36. My best friend lives in Texas and he tells me a lot of these first generation or second generation

Hispanics truly wish their white. According to him that they have such a strong desire to be white that they will do whatever it takes to fit in which is taking in conservative ideology. My friend has run into a lot of Hispanic people that are hardcore Trumpers in Texas.

[herding cats]

37. I've been saying this was possible for going on 2 decades now.

I know many, many conservative Hispanics. I've been saying this here and elsewhere since 2004. They have grown in number and are more reliably RW since I first started talking about it. Even when Trump targeted immigrants from Mexico and other Hispanic countries they never flinched, because they're already citizens and fully assimilated into communities. Communities they don't want changed by new immigrants who aren't their direct family which they know and trust.

They're not progressive by any stretch of the imagination, theirs a a huge pride in a family member in law enforcement or border patrol, many oppose abortion and are deeply involved in their churches. They were ripe for the pickings by the GOP.

We need to seriously address the fact all politics is local, or we're going to die the death of a thousand cuts.