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Mr. Sparkle

(2,932 posts)
Thu Mar 3, 2022, 07:50 AM Mar 2022

Pro-Russian mayor in eastern Ukraine who welcomed Putin's invasion is found shot dead in the street

The pro-Russian mayor of a city in eastern Ukraine who welcomed President Vladimir Putin’s invasion was 'shot dead' after being kidnapped from his home, it has been announced. Vlodymyr Struk, of Kreminna in Luhansk, was killed on Tuesday and suffered a 'gunshot wound to the heart' after he was 'abducted from his home', according to his wife.

Announcing the news on Facebook, the adviser for Interior Minister of Ukraine, Anton Gerashchenko claimed Mr Struk was a 'Luhansk People's Republic supporter' (LPR) and actively pursued a 'pro-Russian position' in the last week by 'communicating with the Russian Federation'. The Luhansk People's Republic is a self-proclaimed breakaway state located within eastern Ukraine that was established in 2014 by pro-Russian separatists.

The adviser for Interior Minister of Ukraine alleged that Mr Struk 'was judged by the court of the people's tribunal' and called him a 'traitor'. He also claimed Ukraine has not been able to 'do anything with Struk for the past eight years' since Moscow-backed separatists have controlled the southeastern Ukrainian regions of Donetsk and Luhansk - collectively known as Donbas. Mr Gerashchenko wrote on social media: 'One traitor of Ukraine became less! Vladimir Struk, the former deputy of the Luhansk Regional Council, the head of the Kreminetsk OTG, was found killed. 'On March 1 [there] was a statement from his wife that he was kidnapped [from persons] unknown in camouflage form. The cause of death is a fiery injury to the heart area.'


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10571663/Pro-Russian-mayor-city-eastern-Ukraine-shot-dead-kidnapped-home.html

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Pro-Russian mayor in eastern Ukraine who welcomed Putin's invasion is found shot dead in the street (Original Post) Mr. Sparkle Mar 2022 OP
And...... he was mayor... secondwind Mar 2022 #1
As so often happens in such places, rulers of "people's republics" often forget who "the people" are DFW Mar 2022 #2
Putin likely installed him. SheltieLover Mar 2022 #15
My only comment is short. NEXT! Samrob Mar 2022 #125
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It's a fucking war. The Ukrainians didn't choose it. This is what happens in wars. Scrivener7 Mar 2022 #4
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No. I'm really not. Scrivener7 Mar 2022 #8
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In fact, no I'm not. Have a nice day. Scrivener7 Mar 2022 #11
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Anybody who would compare killing an invaders quisling mayor to vigilantism.. denbot Mar 2022 #41
+1 SheltieLover Mar 2022 #45
. denbot Mar 2022 #48
... SheltieLover Mar 2022 #55
+100. nt MarineCombatEngineer Mar 2022 #49
. denbot Mar 2022 #52
Hey there denbot, MarineCombatEngineer Mar 2022 #59
I went all squishy.. denbot Mar 2022 #75
Congratulations on your promotion? MarineCombatEngineer Mar 2022 #79
I wanted to slide out of my rig, so I took a 30% pay cut. denbot Mar 2022 #84
Well, you did what you thought was in your best interest MarineCombatEngineer Mar 2022 #87
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The first part: They had the high ground UNTIL THIS (emphasis mine) Bettie Mar 2022 #123
I think most of us understood you quite well, jstnwill. Unfortunately, quislings are unpopular... Hekate Mar 2022 #126
Scrivener7: PCIntern Mar 2022 #82
There was no need to kill him though Polybius Mar 2022 #116
I didn't mean to. But that high ground thing... Scrivener7 Mar 2022 #119
He was a traitor. And probably communicating with and assisting the enemy. alphafemale Mar 2022 #5
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Nobody needs to "open the door" SheltieLover Mar 2022 #20
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You don't know what war is, do you? yardwork Mar 2022 #27
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+1 treestar Mar 2022 #65
"Fighting for the rule of law?" vanlassie Mar 2022 #32
"At worst, it's an act of judge, just and executioner style retribution." Explain how putin would do Escurumbele Mar 2022 #69
I have to ask, when I see a lot of grammatical errors I think it's translated. 58Sunliner Mar 2022 #74
+1 OAITW r.2.0 Mar 2022 #85
Oh yeah. 58Sunliner Mar 2022 #104
+1 Hekate Mar 2022 #127
And, no doubt, installed by Putin! SheltieLover Mar 2022 #13
Assuming? atreides1 Mar 2022 #6
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Susan, is that you? Nevilledog Mar 2022 #58
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Didn't mean Susan Sarandon. Nevilledog Mar 2022 #64
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It is possible that you are indeed lost, and that your destination is thataway --- Hekate Mar 2022 #128
Collins, I think. smirkymonkey Mar 2022 #131
Oh, you're one of them. MarineCombatEngineer Mar 2022 #12
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You have no idea what you're talking about, MarineCombatEngineer Mar 2022 #18
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Same as the reprisals in France in 1944, where they shot Nazi collaborators. It's the nature of OnDoutside Mar 2022 #54
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Absolutely, and I have no doubt that will be many dark days ahead OnDoutside Mar 2022 #113
Putin created a state of war treestar Mar 2022 #66
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How the hell does this fall into the status of a POW situation? MarineCombatEngineer Mar 2022 #76
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... MarineCombatEngineer Mar 2022 #90
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I'm curious, and in no way do I mean this as a slight, MarineCombatEngineer Mar 2022 #94
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Please don't take this as an insult to you, because this in not my intention, MarineCombatEngineer Mar 2022 #99
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Fair enough, MarineCombatEngineer Mar 2022 #110
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Welcome to DU. SheltieLover Mar 2022 #16
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In the longer term this is counter productive IMO speak easy Mar 2022 #33
The war isn't over. yardwork Mar 2022 #37
It will be. speak easy Mar 2022 #42
And you know this how? yardwork Mar 2022 #44
Well if the war is lost, if the separist areas are lost, speak easy Mar 2022 #46
I think he enjoyed his brief stay Hekate Mar 2022 #134
"Vigilante?" SheltieLover Mar 2022 #21
Yeah, MarineCombatEngineer Mar 2022 #23
Their country is being invaded. The Russians are bombing kindergartens. yardwork Mar 2022 #24
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Yuh, and the French and Polish Resistance against the invading Nazis and their sympathizers Roisin Ni Fiachra Mar 2022 #35
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Exactly. yardwork Mar 2022 #39
He's a declared enemy combatant relayerbob Mar 2022 #51
Unreal. CrackityJones75 Mar 2022 #53
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That's fair enough. jaxexpat Mar 2022 #96
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Claret is important. I recommend a glass or two at dinner. jaxexpat Mar 2022 #107
Can you please elaborate why "This was a bad thing."??? I don't understand. Thank you Escurumbele Mar 2022 #62
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Better toughen up and get used to it. Emrys Mar 2022 #63
+100. nt MarineCombatEngineer Mar 2022 #70
I don't think so. Here's why. Happy Hoosier Mar 2022 #68
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WTF? They kill a Russian surrogate who sided with a terrorist and that's "bad"? 58Sunliner Mar 2022 #71
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Americans fantasize openly about vigilante killings without being invaded IronLionZion Mar 2022 #78
Who is "they"? Mariana Mar 2022 #80
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Did the Ukrainian army claim responsibility for this? Wingus Dingus Mar 2022 #117
This is what I'm wondering about. The wife only gives a vague description; chowder66 Mar 2022 #132
No it is not...you can't leave someone like that in place and who knows how many deaths this Demsrule86 Mar 2022 #83
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LMAO Mysterian Mar 2022 #100
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Guess you'd've had a problem with the French Resistance killing collaborators, too, then (n/t) Spider Jerusalem Mar 2022 #109
This is civilians. Not Ukrainian government or Army. Wingus Dingus Mar 2022 #115
Are you seriously "tone policing" how Ukrainians are fighting for their homeland?... SidDithers Mar 2022 #129
Polish, Ukrainian and French resistances in WW2 Torchlight Mar 2022 #130
Play stupid games, you win stupid prizes. The Ukrainian Resistance Roisin Ni Fiachra Mar 2022 #22
This Is Insurgency, My Friends, Get Used To It The Magistrate Mar 2022 #25
Well said sir, MarineCombatEngineer Mar 2022 #30
Yes. Some posters here seem to think this war is already over. yardwork Mar 2022 #40
Absolutely! SheltieLover Mar 2022 #43
Indeed, I can't imagine there will be a line of Pro-Russian mayors queueing up any time soon. Not OnDoutside Mar 2022 #56
What an image...... jaxexpat Mar 2022 #105
and when there's questionable actors involved in your struggle like the Azov Battallion? pecosbob Mar 2022 #121
Feelings Have Little To Do With It, Sir The Magistrate Mar 2022 #122
What we want doesn't account for much when bullets begin to fly pecosbob Mar 2022 #124
Thank you, Sir, for chiming in. Some of the reactions have been ... Hekate Mar 2022 #135
Look at the wonderful view frogmarch Mar 2022 #60
Hey KARMA, nice you made room in your schedule? Brainfodder Mar 2022 #72
Excellent work. Well done. 58Sunliner Mar 2022 #77
Just wondering if the same people gab13by13 Mar 2022 #81
Putin doesn't care about negativity, gab13by13 Mar 2022 #98
The Daily Mail... it's gotta to be true! tenderfoot Mar 2022 #101
fuck around and find out bigtree Mar 2022 #112
Take note, all Putin puppets who wish to be "installed" after they kill or remove Zelensky. Wingus Dingus Mar 2022 #114
Exactly. You can't take a filthy traitor prisoner of war if it might be freed by invaaders alphafemale Mar 2022 #118
War is hell. Baitball Blogger Mar 2022 #120
It's rather astonishing that no one told him that being a public supporter of the foreign country Aristus Mar 2022 #133

secondwind

(16,903 posts)
1. And...... he was mayor...
Thu Mar 3, 2022, 08:00 AM
Mar 2022

I have to admit this is really starting to frazzle my nerves.................

Maybe I need to take a break for a couple of days....

Peace,

DFW

(54,358 posts)
2. As so often happens in such places, rulers of "people's republics" often forget who "the people" are
Thu Mar 3, 2022, 08:07 AM
Mar 2022

Sometimes, "the people" aren't always in agreement with what is imposed upon them from without. In a country in the middle of a civil war, it very risky to be an official associated with an occupying power if a good portion of "the people" don't want you there.

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Scrivener7

(50,949 posts)
4. It's a fucking war. The Ukrainians didn't choose it. This is what happens in wars.
Thu Mar 3, 2022, 08:16 AM
Mar 2022

The whole war is a bad thing. Vlad shouldn't have started it.

Now there is no way for people to know if the avowed pro-Russians among them are going to sabotage them, and they need to be dealt with.

And who do you think has the high ground now? Vlad?

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Scrivener7

(50,949 posts)
8. No. I'm really not.
Thu Mar 3, 2022, 08:32 AM
Mar 2022

And your post was not so nuanced that it requires multiple readings.

Welcome to DU.

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denbot

(9,899 posts)
41. Anybody who would compare killing an invaders quisling mayor to vigilantism..
Thu Mar 3, 2022, 09:36 AM
Mar 2022

Would call an insurrection, “legitimate political discourse”. Enjoy your time here.

SheltieLover

(57,073 posts)
55. ...
Thu Mar 3, 2022, 10:13 AM
Mar 2022

I say every putin / war supporrting dirtbag removed from power is 1 step closer to the Ukranians winning.

I'm hoping this action indicates the Ukranian people's intention to reclaim ALL of their country!

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denbot

(9,899 posts)
75. I went all squishy..
Thu Mar 3, 2022, 10:55 AM
Mar 2022

I’m night dispatch now.. As for gas prices, the Mobile 50 yards from my house is $5.19 for 87 octane. Feel lucky with LA problems.

MarineCombatEngineer

(12,367 posts)
79. Congratulations on your promotion?
Thu Mar 3, 2022, 10:58 AM
Mar 2022

Fuel prices have really taken a bite out of my wallet, nothing I can't handle and I fully support paying a bit more to support Ukraine and the sanctions.

denbot

(9,899 posts)
84. I wanted to slide out of my rig, so I took a 30% pay cut.
Thu Mar 3, 2022, 11:07 AM
Mar 2022

Yeah we’re taking a bit of a beating, but running on all cylinders. We are being held up by sporadic and some cases chronic part shortages as we run new Volvo VNL’s. I imagine that’s not an issue your rig is more than a pretty face..

As for the lack of dough, I try to dry my tears by BBQ’ing or offset grilling in the dead of night..
it’s not like the neighbors don’t already think I’m nuts..

MarineCombatEngineer

(12,367 posts)
87. Well, you did what you thought was in your best interest
Thu Mar 3, 2022, 11:12 AM
Mar 2022

and I commend you for that.

Getting parts for my 2 trucks hasn't been a issue yet, my older truck has a rebuilt Cat engine while my newer truck runs a Detroit engine, but I'm bracing myself for problems.

I don't think you're nuts, just eccentric.

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Bettie

(16,092 posts)
123. The first part: They had the high ground UNTIL THIS (emphasis mine)
Thu Mar 3, 2022, 02:27 PM
Mar 2022

tells us that you believe that they don't have a high ground (presumably moral) anymore.

The second part: It might not change that fact... indicates that your belief is that some might not accept your thesis that they no longer have moral high ground.

That is how it reads to the average person.

If that is not what you meant, well, we have no way of knowing what you actually meant.

Hekate

(90,645 posts)
126. I think most of us understood you quite well, jstnwill. Unfortunately, quislings are unpopular...
Thu Mar 3, 2022, 05:08 PM
Mar 2022

…when a country is under attack by missiles.


 

alphafemale

(18,497 posts)
5. He was a traitor. And probably communicating with and assisting the enemy.
Thu Mar 3, 2022, 08:16 AM
Mar 2022

Only pro Putin people would see this as a bad thing.

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SheltieLover

(57,073 posts)
20. Nobody needs to "open the door"
Thu Mar 3, 2022, 09:12 AM
Mar 2022

Putin lies constantly. Always has.

I fully support Ukrainians!

This "mayor," likely installed by Putin, was not welcome in his neighbor's country.

Putin started this, and it appears the brave Ukranians are determined to finish it!

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vanlassie

(5,670 posts)
32. "Fighting for the rule of law?"
Thu Mar 3, 2022, 09:25 AM
Mar 2022

Mmm…. Pretty sure they are fighting for their lives. How many dead now?

Escurumbele

(3,389 posts)
69. "At worst, it's an act of judge, just and executioner style retribution." Explain how putin would do
Thu Mar 3, 2022, 10:48 AM
Mar 2022

different?

It seems that to you all the bombing and execution of innocent people that Putin is carrying on is not worst than that mayor, who like someone pointed out, was most probably helping Putin in his invasion by providing information and who knows what.

Instead of defending what you wrote, why don't you re-write and explain it better. Throwing a "that's a bad thing" out there without explaining you just opened the door for many to believe you are pro-Putin.

58Sunliner

(4,384 posts)
74. I have to ask, when I see a lot of grammatical errors I think it's translated.
Thu Mar 3, 2022, 10:53 AM
Mar 2022

Is English your first language?

OAITW r.2.0

(24,455 posts)
85. +1
Thu Mar 3, 2022, 11:09 AM
Mar 2022

Seems a little off, doesn't it? Of course, I also wonder about the grammar of RW trolls that post here, too.

atreides1

(16,074 posts)
6. Assuming?
Thu Mar 3, 2022, 08:26 AM
Mar 2022

The town is in territory controlled by the Russians and their separatist allies...

Think about what you just stated..."Yesterday the news was about returning Russian soldiers to their mom's."

Ukraine would have nothing to gain...but Russia would!


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MarineCombatEngineer

(12,367 posts)
18. You have no idea what you're talking about,
Thu Mar 3, 2022, 09:08 AM
Mar 2022

this happened in a Russian controlled town in Eastern Ukraine, where Russia shouldn't have been in the first place.

This isn't going to hurt the Ukrainians on the world image one bit, no one, except you and Russia, seems to give shit.

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OnDoutside

(19,954 posts)
54. Same as the reprisals in France in 1944, where they shot Nazi collaborators. It's the nature of
Thu Mar 3, 2022, 10:11 AM
Mar 2022

these things unfortunately.

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MarineCombatEngineer

(12,367 posts)
76. How the hell does this fall into the status of a POW situation?
Thu Mar 3, 2022, 10:55 AM
Mar 2022

So, all the resistance org. opposed to the Nazi occupation during WWII would also fall into the status of a POW situation?
You know how utterly asinine that sounds?

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MarineCombatEngineer

(12,367 posts)
90. ...
Thu Mar 3, 2022, 11:17 AM
Mar 2022
1) If Ukraine soldiers raided this guy's house
2) They didn't kill him as part of the raid
3) They captured him and he was securely detained
4) And the soldiers deliberately took him out into the street and killed him


But none of that happened did it?

And how would one prove that, in your scenario, he wasn't shot trying to escape?
Unless there's evidence, it didn't happen.

I have no sympathy for this traitorous piece of shit mayor, he made his bed, now he can lay in it.

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MarineCombatEngineer

(12,367 posts)
99. Please don't take this as an insult to you, because this in not my intention,
Thu Mar 3, 2022, 11:43 AM
Mar 2022

but unless someone has been there, done that, then they have no true concept of fog of war,

I can't even adequately describe the terror, the noise, etc of combat.

Bad shit happens during wartime, that's a fact of life, and anything that strikes fear into the enemy is always a tactical plus.


Thanks for your work making that option available to me. ❤️


Thank you and you are very welcome.

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MarineCombatEngineer

(12,367 posts)
110. Fair enough,
Thu Mar 3, 2022, 12:15 PM
Mar 2022

and I'll take you at your word.

Gotta go, delivery pending.

Have a great day and welcome to DU and sorry for my semi hostile responses, we've have had a slew of RWNJ's and Russian trolls flood DU lately and we're kinda on guard against that.

Peace.

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SheltieLover

(57,073 posts)
16. Welcome to DU.
Thu Mar 3, 2022, 09:01 AM
Mar 2022

Btw, Ukranians still have the high ground! They are feeding POWs & allowing them to call moms. Offering to relwase them if moms will come to Ukraine to get them, and offering $47k to those who have not committwd war crimes if they surrender.

Anyone who supports putin is the enemy & fair game. Putin started this, unprovoked.

Response to SheltieLover (Reply #16)

speak easy

(9,239 posts)
33. In the longer term this is counter productive IMO
Thu Mar 3, 2022, 09:26 AM
Mar 2022

How does this make reunification of Ukraine more likely (after the war)? Has Kyiv completely given up on Luhansk?

speak easy

(9,239 posts)
42. It will be.
Thu Mar 3, 2022, 09:42 AM
Mar 2022

Haw do you convince the separatist areas that they will be safe in the new Ukraine. By entering the house of the guy who has been mayor of Kreminna for 8 years, dragging him out in front of his wife then executing him without a recognizable trial? How are they going to pitch reunification - you can trust our armed forces?

yardwork

(61,596 posts)
44. And you know this how?
Thu Mar 3, 2022, 09:44 AM
Mar 2022

I don't think you have a clue what you're talking about. There is no guarantee whatsoever of how this will end.

speak easy

(9,239 posts)
46. Well if the war is lost, if the separist areas are lost,
Thu Mar 3, 2022, 09:49 AM
Mar 2022

then it may make seen to dispatch traitors on the way out, but I don't think anyone is saying this.

yardwork

(61,596 posts)
24. Their country is being invaded. The Russians are bombing kindergartens.
Thu Mar 3, 2022, 09:19 AM
Mar 2022

Do you remember the bomb in Oklahoma City? Remember the photos of dead children? Imagine five Oklahoma City bombings every single night. Wouldn't you fight back?

It's very likely that this could turn into a long drawn out resistance to invasion. A lot of horrible things will happen. War is all hell.

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Roisin Ni Fiachra

(2,574 posts)
35. Yuh, and the French and Polish Resistance against the invading Nazis and their sympathizers
Thu Mar 3, 2022, 09:27 AM
Mar 2022

were nothing but a vigilante lynch mob right?

Vichy Ukrainians should pack their bags and leave for Moscow immediately; all bets are off.

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CrackityJones75

(2,403 posts)
53. Unreal.
Thu Mar 3, 2022, 10:08 AM
Mar 2022

The guy invites putin and russia to steal their country, their resources, kill their people, is likely aiding that and you are hung up on the moral high ground angle.

Don’t be a fucking traitor that steals peoples lives and livelihoods and promote war abd shit like this doesn’t happen.

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jaxexpat

(6,818 posts)
96. That's fair enough.
Thu Mar 3, 2022, 11:36 AM
Mar 2022

1)This instance of "instant" justice may cause some long-term harm. I don't see it likely that it made anyone currently involved in this war any madder than they already were. Some strategically sensitive people may have ruffled feathers and scream about their feather straightening bill, but few will listen to them, now or later. It's worth noting that the population within the Donbas region is about 39% Russian, the remainder being, mostly, Ukraine loyalists. This executed mayor was a figurehead for the government unilaterally imposed on a demographic of Ukrainian people by Russia, a foreign power, who just happens to be indiscriminately shelling the town down the road. Just saying.

2)The "foundations of democracy" angle is probably too hyperbolic. Foundation of some evolved/evolving western codes and concepts of acceptable means to dispense justice, perhaps, but democracy's foundation is purely mathematics. Whichever Athenian gets the most pottery shards, wins. However, democracy has evolved a bit since ancient Greece. For instance, in the US, when electing a president, it's okay to seat the loser of the popular vote because, somehow the forefathers deemed that rich, white people's votes count more than anybody else's votes.

The difference between abstract and practical can get pretty fuzzy, too. Stick around, you'll see what I mean. BTW, welcome.

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Emrys

(7,233 posts)
63. Better toughen up and get used to it.
Thu Mar 3, 2022, 10:44 AM
Mar 2022

Would you be so upset about appearances if somebody was to assassinate Putin?

This is war. It gets dirty on the ground. Look away if it's so concerning. It's why many of us abhor war.

There have already been other cases of summary justice being meted out in other Ukrainian cities. The ones I've seen evidence of have fallen short of killing, but I'd be surprised if that hasn't happened as well.

It's a sheer decadent luxury to sit in comfort and safety wringing hands at how the rest of the world may perceive this action while devastation and mutilation are being dealt to Ukrainian civilians and military alike.

They didn't pick this fight. Putin did. He and his collaborators may see justice under conditions that may satisfy you if and when this all ends, but in the mean time, save your sympathy for the innocent.

Happy Hoosier

(7,293 posts)
68. I don't think so. Here's why.
Thu Mar 3, 2022, 10:46 AM
Mar 2022

Simply put, it shows the world that even DEEP in supposedly Russian-friendly territory, there is a spirit of total resistance to the invader. This is no different from the French partisans who killed Vichy collaborators during WWII. Does anyone think THEY lost the high ground? Nope.

Don't get me wrong... part of me is very uncomfortable with kangaroo courts, even under these dire circumstances, but hese people are fighting for their lives and freedom.

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58Sunliner

(4,384 posts)
71. WTF? They kill a Russian surrogate who sided with a terrorist and that's "bad"?
Thu Mar 3, 2022, 10:49 AM
Mar 2022

Good for them. Doing what they need to. Are you sure you are on the right board?

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IronLionZion

(45,431 posts)
78. Americans fantasize openly about vigilante killings without being invaded
Thu Mar 3, 2022, 10:58 AM
Mar 2022

Conservatives and GOP politicians repeatedly use war language to justify the unjustifiable here in the US.

Ukraine actually is being invaded by a foreign military killing their civilians, so some took it upon themselves to kill a traitor. I would think this undermines the Russians even more.

It is quite possible for some Ukrainians to feed Russian soldiers and allow their moms to pick them up while other Ukrainians kill anyone who helps the invaders.

Should America be judged by the many folks who do good things or the many douchebags who do bad things? Or some of both?

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Wingus Dingus

(8,052 posts)
117. Did the Ukrainian army claim responsibility for this?
Thu Mar 3, 2022, 01:30 PM
Mar 2022

Because the article said "unknown" people in camouflage did it. For all we know, this could be a Russian false flag.

chowder66

(9,067 posts)
132. This is what I'm wondering about. The wife only gives a vague description;
Thu Mar 3, 2022, 06:13 PM
Mar 2022

'On March 1 [there] was a statement from his wife that he was kidnapped [from persons] unknown in camouflage form.

Nothing about Ukrainian uniforms, language, etc. Just persons unknown in camouflage.



Demsrule86

(68,553 posts)
83. No it is not...you can't leave someone like that in place and who knows how many deaths this
Thu Mar 3, 2022, 11:04 AM
Mar 2022

guy is responsible for. I have no doubt he would do all he could to help the Russians...war isn't about the high ground...it is about winning.

Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #83)

Mysterian

(4,585 posts)
100. LMAO
Thu Mar 3, 2022, 11:44 AM
Mar 2022

The execution of a traitor actively aiding and abetting the enemy during wartime won't spark the outrage you want.

So sorry to piss on your parade.

Response to Mysterian (Reply #100)

Torchlight

(3,327 posts)
130. Polish, Ukrainian and French resistances in WW2
Thu Mar 3, 2022, 05:20 PM
Mar 2022

did far, far worse to far, far many more, and for far, far longer.

And 85 years later and they yet hold a moral high ground neither you nor I could ever dream of achieving.

The Magistrate

(95,244 posts)
25. This Is Insurgency, My Friends, Get Used To It
Thu Mar 3, 2022, 09:19 AM
Mar 2022

When reading cheerful predictions Russia will face a fierce and widely rooted insurgency occupying Ukraine, do bear in mind what is being spoken of so airily is incidents like this, multiplied a thousand-fold, in every corner of the country. Liquidation of collaborators is high on the to-do list of any insurgency worth its blood, and this is the way that sort of thing is done. It's not all clean hits on men in uniform, not by a long sight.

SheltieLover

(57,073 posts)
43. Absolutely!
Thu Mar 3, 2022, 09:43 AM
Mar 2022

This "mayor" was likely installed by mad man putin who has his tyrants illegally occupying territories in Eastern Ukraine.

It's not just putin but all of his supporters as well who need to be removed from power as well.

This "mayor" was said to support both putin & this war.

I see this as a sign that the fiercely brave & determined Ukranians intend to reclaim those areas in the eastern part of the country as well as winning this war to ensure their freedom.

Imho, any peace talks should also include demands for putin to get out of Crimea & other areas currently occupied.

Unlikely, as putin is after Ukraine's neon. Essential for making chips. Ukraine has nearly all of it globally!


OnDoutside

(19,954 posts)
56. Indeed, I can't imagine there will be a line of Pro-Russian mayors queueing up any time soon. Not
Thu Mar 3, 2022, 10:19 AM
Mar 2022

too dissimilar to the terror campaign that the IRA & UVF ran in Belfast, which is probably where this is headed.

jaxexpat

(6,818 posts)
105. What an image......
Thu Mar 3, 2022, 11:56 AM
Mar 2022

Little guys in top hats and tails (think Monopoly) lined up, shouting, "Pick me!" "No, Pick me!" "Hey there, I'm next, not him." "I've been here the longest, though." "My mom's really counting on me being mayor, you know." "It's my destiny." "Sorry boys, but you might want to stick around, 'cause I think they're shooting the mayor now, (BLAM), yep, there's a spot open. So, who's next?"

I'm so ashamed.

pecosbob

(7,537 posts)
121. and when there's questionable actors involved in your struggle like the Azov Battallion?
Thu Mar 3, 2022, 02:06 PM
Mar 2022

If our nation were invaded, how would we feel about fighting alongside Proud Boys or Illinois Nazis?

The Magistrate

(95,244 posts)
122. Feelings Have Little To Do With It, Sir
Thu Mar 3, 2022, 02:19 PM
Mar 2022

The thing is what it is, and people engaged in it are what they are, and become by it what they do. Resistance movements draw more than their fair share of 'bad hats', who are already used to operating outside the social order one way or another, and the cause coarsens beyong recognition many an upright citizen who lasts in its service. At the risk of sounding glib, how I felt fighting alongside someone would be mostly determined by whether they could be relied on to give effective supporting fire.

Hekate

(90,645 posts)
135. Thank you, Sir, for chiming in. Some of the reactions have been ...
Thu Mar 3, 2022, 09:00 PM
Mar 2022

…well, strange. Feelings are running high, and sometimes it leaves little room for splashes of cold logic.

Name Removed was certainly an energetic little bunny in this thread. ( “Moral high ground” my rosy Irish…) It appears he outstayed his welcome, but you can see all the tracks he left behind.

gab13by13

(21,312 posts)
81. Just wondering if the same people
Thu Mar 3, 2022, 11:03 AM
Mar 2022

who think the killing of this traitor is negative, believe that if someone offs Putin that too is negative?

One thing about this killing, it was targeted. On the other hand, Putin has resorted to indiscriminate bombings. A man was on TV last night saying that Putin has fired on churches and hospitals.

The bottom line, if Putin sees he can't annex Ukraine he is going to try to reduce it to rubble, indiscriminately.

gab13by13

(21,312 posts)
98. Putin doesn't care about negativity,
Thu Mar 3, 2022, 11:39 AM
Mar 2022

A European intelligence official said Moscow will crack down on protests and potentially conduct public executions to discourage Ukrainians from fighting back as cities fall under the Kremlin's control, reported Bloomberg.

Russia is also planning violent crowd control tactics and repressive detention of protest organizers to prevent uprisings.

Wingus Dingus

(8,052 posts)
114. Take note, all Putin puppets who wish to be "installed" after they kill or remove Zelensky.
Thu Mar 3, 2022, 01:21 PM
Mar 2022

You will meet bad ends.

 

alphafemale

(18,497 posts)
118. Exactly. You can't take a filthy traitor prisoner of war if it might be freed by invaaders
Thu Mar 3, 2022, 01:36 PM
Mar 2022

And cause even more harm.

Aristus

(66,319 posts)
133. It's rather astonishing that no one told him that being a public supporter of the foreign country
Thu Mar 3, 2022, 06:17 PM
Mar 2022

that is invading yours is not a good look.

Well, at least he doesn't have to worry about damage control for his re-election bid...

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