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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region Forumsjust saw Oleksandra Ustinova on CNN
she is a Ukrainian Parliament member.
She made some tough points.
We have 190+ nations in the UN, and we cannot stand up to a bully? Something is wrong with this world. Why the fuck is Russia even in there? Are we going to just watch while democracy is killed in Ukraine?
We slap sanctions all over the place, but not on the Russian energy sector, and that's how Putin gets his cash. We don't want to pay higher prices for gas, so die Ukraine. We sanction only 7 Russian banks, out of 300?
Russia violated its promise to respect the territorial integrity of Ukraine for giving up its nukes in the early 1990's. The other 2 signatories, the US and UK, do nothing in response, except some sanctions and weapons?
NATO should go in. It's not willy-nilly for shits and grins, it's due to a international violation. What do we need to see on our TVs?
Look at our TV in America, nothing but violence and death even during commercials (and amateurs doing stupid shit). But I guess it's not enough. We need to see actual murders. Children and women slaughtered on TV.
NATO could go in to Ukraine to eject the Russians. Nothing more needed. Stay out of Russia.
I realize I have incomplete information. But fuck, this shit has to stop.
Ferrets are Cool
(21,106 posts)RussBLib
(9,008 posts)Irish_Dem
(47,026 posts)Putin bought off the US and much of the Western world. He has been working on this for decades. He even bought a sitting US president and half the US congress and US media.
So we are now in a situation where the Russian mob is in charge of the world.
snowybirdie
(5,225 posts)Righties want their children drafted and sent to fight the Russians. Its easy to say fight and stop them now! But patience is needed to let economic sanctions work. Putin isn't God, he's mortal and subject to assassination like any other leader.
RussBLib
(9,008 posts)before we would join another war? Never?
Sure, the US has fucked up and sent too many troops around the world, sometimes for poor reasons. Does that mean never again? no matter what? Unless..... what?
Economic sanctions take time...something Ukraine doesn't have a lot of. And the sanctions won't hurt Putin...if reports are true that he has his own money spread out all over the globe!
I'm going to guess that no one with a weapon gets close to Putin...he has hand picked bodyguards...and as we've seen from several photos he doesn't get close with his most "trusted" advisors!
By the time the sanctions have pissed off enough of the Russian people and possibly some of the military...Ukraine will have been defeated...Zelensky will be put on trial for "war crimes"...most of Ukraine's academics, government and military leaders will either be jailed or executed!
And those on the Right are cowards and traitors...
Xoan
(25,320 posts)Sounds weak.
Magoo48
(4,708 posts)Or, make an all out national push towards renewables and give all the greedy fucking fossil fuel gangsters the finger. These assholes lied to us fo 60 years while knowingly destroying our environment, and we still give the climate killing pricks subsidies.
brush
(53,776 posts)democracy fall, what's to stop Putin from moving on to the next former Soviet republic, like the Baltics?
CNN also showed a clip of Russian Foreign Minister Lavrov theatening again, that if NATO interferes in Ukraine it will be WWlll and it will be nuclear.
They are actually theatening the world with nuclear weapons, which means they can carry out that policy and move into not just former Soviet republics, but anywhere they want. All they have to say is "back off, we have nukes."
A line will have to be drawn soon as it looks like Ukraine is going to fall by the way the Russians are bombing and shelling civilian targets now. And once that happens we have to wait and see if they move on to Moldavia or the Baltics?
Putin is crazy and thinking he's the reincarnation of Peter the Great or something. The combined west has to publicly reming Putin and Lavrov that we have nukes too.