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Beatlelvr

(618 posts)
Thu Mar 3, 2022, 12:32 PM Mar 2022

Okay, I have a stupid question about Russia's attack

Why the slow convoy heading towards Ukraine's large cities? And a bombing here and there? Not that I advocate for this but, why didn't they just use their airforce and bomb the hell out of Ukraine? Did Putin think the world would consider THAT a bridge too far? So he's doing it slowly and not a flat out assault to end all assaults? Is he trying to minimize the damage because he wants his newly acquired country to not be a bombed out landscape?

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OneBlueDotS-Carolina

(1,384 posts)
2. Crappy equipment...
Thu Mar 3, 2022, 12:39 PM
Mar 2022

no precision-guided munitions, plus 1000's of pissed-off Ukranian Grannies with Stinger surface-to-air missiles.

lapfog_1

(29,198 posts)
3. the air force cannot occupy a nation
Thu Mar 3, 2022, 12:40 PM
Mar 2022

and while devastating to the civilian population, they are not that effective against a gorilla resistance force.

You need soldiers that will fight block by block in the cities... backed up by tanks and armor.

As for why the convoy is stuck... the russians waited too long to invade... the fields are thawing out and turning to mud. Add in a supply problem of getting fuel to the tanks and armor at the front of the column... you end up with a parking lot on the highway. Too bad the Ukrainians ran low on anti-tank missiles, otherwise I think we would see 40 miles of bombed out russian armor right now.

FBaggins

(26,727 posts)
6. Not a stupid question - you're used to watching the US go to war
Thu Mar 3, 2022, 12:51 PM
Mar 2022

Russia is not nearly as capable nor is Ukraine as poorly defended.

I suspect that Russia has lost more aircraft than they expected and failed to degrade Ukraine's anti-air capacity as completely as they planned.

dutch777

(2,993 posts)
7. They don't have the logistics skills or troop morale for sustained operations. The best war toys...
Thu Mar 3, 2022, 12:54 PM
Mar 2022

...take gas, water, ammo, good mechanics, spare parts, capable operators and detailed coordination. They make a good show in their little war games' videos they share on YouTube, but hardly on a mission the average RU soldier is probably thrilled to be dying for. So, they will go slow and be super cautious. I hope the Ukranians can harass them and take out a few vehicles and inflict casualties in hit and run attacks on the convoy. Keep the bad guys on edge and worried about their safety and their morale will continue to drop.

Happy Hoosier

(7,277 posts)
8. Because a modern military operation is very hard.
Thu Mar 3, 2022, 12:57 PM
Mar 2022

Even the U.S, inarguably the best in the world at it, struggles under pressure.

Russia's army is huge, but poorly maintained and with only a small cadre of well-trained troops. The fact that they are widely using commercial radios without encryption tells you all you need to know about that coordination is going.

krispos42

(49,445 posts)
9. My personal option as a self-certified Internet Military Expert...
Thu Mar 3, 2022, 01:33 PM
Mar 2022

...is that they're being bitten in the ass with logistics.

Let's say the average Russian soldier needs two gallons of water a day and two pounds of rations. A gallon of water weights 8 pounds, so that's 16 pounds of water and 2 pounds of food a day. 18 pounds total.

Let's say an infantry division has 15,000 troops in it. That division therefore needs 135 (standard US) tons of food per day. Let's say the Russians have a truck that can haul 8 tons. That means you need 17 trucks a day to arrive with just food and water.

But the food and water is coming from a supply depot 20 miles behind the lines. So those trucks have to drive maybe a hundred miles to get to the rear of the column, which is 40 miles long. But that part of the world is largely rural, with minimal roads. How do the trucks get to the front of the column? Especially when the column is taking up the entire road?

Well, they have to try to navigate side roads of questionable quality. I guarantee the road signs have been mostly removed or better yet, switched, so the Russians are trying to navigate via GPS or paper maps. And if the roads are dirt, then the traffic is also increasingly turning them into mud, as they are supporting far more traffic than the normal farmers and locals normally put out.

The supply trucks aren't cruising at 60mph down a six-lane superhighway in America,they're crawling through country roads at maybe a fast jog. Remember, hostile territory; they have to keep an eye out for ambushes, mines, snipers, and booby traps. Plus whatever the locals might decide to do, like dump a pile boulders on the road.

So what would be an easy two-hour drive on I-80 in Nebraska turns into an all-day, maybe multiple-day trip. But the division is still eating food and drinking water. So you need several convoys of trucks so that one convoy arrives PER DAY, with several more in transit.

So now 17 trucks have become... 34? 68? Just to keep that one division in food and water. And then there are losses due to enemy action, accidents, or mechanical breakdown. So maybe you really need 136 trucks looping from the supply depot to the head of the column.

And now you need fuel! All those vehicles get crappy gas mileage! Lots of fuel!

Okay, a 40-mile long convoy. Let's assume they're two-abreast, and the average spacing of the vehicles is 80 feet (front bumper to front bumper). That's... 5280 vehicles on the road. Tanks, trucks, APCs, SAMs, flak guns, howitzers, etc.

Let's assume... 5 miles per gallon per vehicle, fleet average. That means you need nearly 4 tons of fuel per mile of advancement... and I may be generous with the fuel consumption! So you needs tankers also moving back and forth.

Plus the ammo and everything else the army needs! All running back and forth to a supply head in Russia.

Chainfire

(17,526 posts)
10. You would have thought, that with months available to plan, that the guys
Thu Mar 3, 2022, 02:20 PM
Mar 2022

with the red stripes on their pants would have had a good handle on the logistic of going to war.

It may be that Putin expected the Ukrainians to fold when the first tank crossed the border and got caught flat-footed when they fought back. In either case, the General Staff has let the old boy down and heads will probably roll. The longer this goes on, the worse it is for Russia. That is why that, even if Ukraine is ultimately occupied, that they delay the Russians as long as possible.

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