CEASE FIRE in Ukraine !!! Some areas to allow for refugees to leave

[underpants]

Negotiators agree to temporary cease-fire in some areas for civilian evacuation

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/03/03/russia-ukraine-war-putin-news/

MUKACHEVO, Ukraine — Ukraine and Russia say they have agreed to temporary local cease-fires to create “humanitarian corridors” so civilians can be evacuated and food and medicine can be delivered.

But the cease-fires would not apply everywhere, said Ukrainian presidential adviser Mykhailo Podolyak — and logistical details will still need to be agreed upon “in the nearest time.”

The development follows a second round of talks on Thursday afternoon, as local leaders warned about significant impacts to Ukrainian cities and as a mass exodus continues. More than 1 million people have fled Ukraine, according to data from the United Nations refugee agency — an exodus that is set to become Europe’s worst humanitarian crisis this century.

[CaliforniaPeggy]

1. This is good, as far as it goes. It's a fair step forward, out of this awful war. n/t

[Irish_Dem]

3. Putin is hoping this will get the sanctions lifted?

If he saves some lives we will say we are sorry.

[BlueIdaho]

11. Sanctions should remain on Russia

Until it joins the rest of the civilized world in condemning human rights abuses and respecting the rights of democracies around the world. The end of fighting in Ukraine and the removal to all troops should not be enough to end sanctions.

[Irish_Dem]

12. My concern is that it was just a temporary thing.

There are too many US politicians who receive money from Putin.
They don't want the money flow stopped.

[unblock]

4. I would call it a *limited* cease-fire, and to be clear, this is not good militarily

It's good from a humanitarian perspective that they're letting civilians out safely, or at least they've agreed to that.

But militarily, that makes it all the more likely that they will not be deterred from their military objectives.

In short, this limited cease-fire makes a broad cease-fire less likely.

[DetroitLegalBeagle]

7. Yep

This increases the likelihood that Russia will go all out in their attack on the cities. They will use the excuse that they gave civilians enough time to leave and all that is left in the city are fighters.

[uponit7771]

9. +1, now Putrid can says all people who are still in cities are Nazis

[drray23]

13. Gen McCaffrey was commenting that its good militarily for the Ukrainians

Extra time benefits them because they can use that time to resupply with the constant stream of weapons coming in from NATO countries. Every day that passes is bad for Putin.

[unblock]

16. Yes

Good news for civilians who leave now, good news for our ability to help Ukraine defend itself

Bad news for peace anytime soon
Bad news for anyone hoping for a negotiated solution
Bad news for any civilians who don't leave now
Bad news as it means a more drawn-out and bloodier conflict.

Probably bad news overall militarily as I expect Russia to not stop until it has at the very least taken kyiv. The extra time won't prevent that, I don't think. It will merely delay it.

Ultimately, I expect Russia to take Kyiv, then negotiate to return it in exchange for easing of sanctions and the Donbas region, which was the basis for the pre-war propaganda anyway.

[sarisataka]

5. Misleading headline

The first line should be the headline

And it seems this is more of an agreement in principle. When and were will the ceasefire go into effect?

[hamsterjill]

6. I'm glad this might save lives.

But these people are still having to walk away from everything they have worked for.

Heartbreaking.

[JoanofArgh]

8. I just learned about this from a Ukrainian: The 2014 Ilovaisk Massacre

Link to tweet

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Look up the 2014 Ilovaisk Massacre: Russia promised safe passage for Ukrainian soldiers then ambushed them.

"When we passed their second checkpoint, they started shooting at us like in a shooting gallery. It was an ambush." https://newsweek.com/2014/11/14/battle-ilovaisk-details-massacre-inside-rebel-held-eastern-ukraine-282003.html

[Lovie777]

15. I don't trust the Russians . . .

Yes, this could be a set up.

[Bettie]

17. That is what I expect will happen too

and I hope I am wrong about this, but given Putin's recent conversation with Macron, I don't think I am.

[Nevilledog]

10. Counter: Ceasefire allows Russia to resupply.

[haele]

14. I'll believe that when it happens.

Putin is a liar, and his ministers are liars.
They're the type to cease fire until civilians gather to begin to leave, then have an "Oopsie" with a thermobaric missile as they're boarding the busses. Oh, sure - an over-eager captain will be blamed, but who cares?
He's an abusive ex - kill the pets to make a point.

And control by cruelty is the point with people like him.

Haele