So they're shelling a fucking NUCLEAR PLANT?????

[Stinky The Clown]

Play THAT one out.

Let's say the Russian ltroops breach the containment and release radiation in a cloud that threatens NATO countries.

Then what?

ENERHODAR, Ukraine — Russian troops are shelling Europe’s largest nuclear power station in Ukraine.

“We demand that they stop the heavy weapons fire,” Andriy Tuz, spokesperson for the plant in Enerhodar, said in a video posted on Telegram. “There is a real threat of nuclear danger in the biggest atomic energy station in Europe.”

The plant accounts for about one quarter of Ukraine’s power generation.

The fighting at Enerhodar, a city on the Dnieper River that accounts for one-quarter of the country’s power generation, came as another round of talks between the two sides yielded a tentative agreement to set up safe corridors inside Ukraine to evacuate citizens and deliver humanitarian aid.

The mayor of Enerhodar said Ukrainian forces were battling Russian troops on the city’s outskirts. Video showed flames and black smoke rising above the city of more than 50,000, with people streaming past wrecked cars, just a day after the U.N. atomic watchdog agency expressed grave concern that the fighting could cause accidental damage to Ukraine’s 15 nuclear reactors.

https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-war-live-updates-cbd6eed3e1b8f4946f5f490afd06b4be

[Javaman]

1. If they destroy one of those reactors...

To me, that’s a crime against humanity.

I have no problem carpet bombing Moscow into fucking dust

[Takket]

7. yeah i have to say.......

I do not want US troops involved in a potential world war 3, but my caveats on that were no genocide/ethnic cleansing, and no usage of WMDs. Intentionally destroying a nuclear power plant is, in my eyes, no different than dropping an actual nuke. Yes, you don't get the massive explosion, but you do get the effect of using irradiated land to kill and defeat your enemy. If that happens, we should join the war and expel Russia from Ukraine.

[LisaL]

13. You have no problem?

Do you propose to personally do it, or what?

[NullTuples]

29. I believe they may have been referring to the moral choice.

[Javaman]

31. let me fly the plane and I will drop the payload. nt

[Pachamama]

2. OMFG

[madaboutharry]

3. It is such madness.

And the fire fighters can’t get to it to put out the fire. I am just overwhelmed with sadness and anger.

[dchill]

4. "Chernobyl II - This Time It's No Accident!"

[Quixote1818]

5. Current prevailing wind map

https://www.windfinder.com/#5/48.0634/37.0898

[lapfog_1]

8. winds are currently blowing to the south southeast

toward Crimea.

[haele]

10. According to this, fallout goes over the Black Sea and into Turkey and Georgia.

Then there's a kick-up that would push it north into Russia over the Urals.
Not good for Russia.

Haele

[SergeStorms]

15. Let's hope it switches to a southwest wind...

and take everything right to Moscow. Of course Pootie-poot wouldn't be anywhere near it. He's such a brave man.

[Scrivener7]

6. And they're not letting firefighters put out the flames because it is right now the middle

of active fighting.

[babylonsister]

9. Yes, supposedly the biggest one in Europe. nt

[AngryOldDem]

12. If this should blow...

…that is a nuclear attack.

[58Sunliner]

19. Exactly.

[Blue Owl]

14. That would be tRump-level stupid

[Traildogbob]

17. Whoa

Thought he was smart, savy, genius. Has Pompeo, trump and Tuckums gave their opinions yet? How about Marginal Trailer Queen, is she chanting Putin, Putin, Putin like at her KKKlan Jamboree last weekend. Pro life.

[Hekate]

16. I know, Stinky. Putin seems to have lost his mind. This is so bad. nt

[ShazzieB]

28. If this doesn't prove Pootie has flipped his lid

I don't know what would.

[58Sunliner]

18. What the fuck is Europe waiting for? This is insane.

The US needs to understand what downwind means. That POS psycho needs to be stopped.

[BMW2020RT]

20. The Stop the Steal assault team is shiting on the walls of humanity.

[AlexSFCA]

21. correct my if I'm wrong but Iraq, Afghanistan, Vietnam, Kosovo, Lybia, etc.

did not have power plants? US was involved militarily in all of them. But we stay away from this one? Let’s say radiation impact millions in NATO countries, putin annihilate many millions in Ukraine, then moves towards Sweden and Finland, no one will get involved until he breaches one inch of NATO territory? Then what about Iraq, Afghanistan, Kosovo, Vietnam, Lybia, etc. Are we saying that we’re only afraid of putin but no one else. Just imagine how that empowers him.
Question: when did NATO ever invoke the famous Article 5?

[Lonestarblue]

23. Yes. The UN could have sent in true peacekeeping forces to help protect Ukraine.

They didn’t. No one wants war, especially a nuclear war, but Putin is a madman who has never had any concern for how many people get killed when he wants something. Ask the people of a Chechnya. Putin’s scorched earth tactics leveled cities and killed many thousands. That is what he has planned for Ukraine now because they did not roll over and let him have the country. The West has to fight back. He is too dangerous to get away with his current war.

[Karadeniz]

22. If a meltdown occurred, that would affect NATO countries. I can't see retaliation not occurring.

[paleotn]

24. Turning Ukranian infrastructure into a WMD.

That's going to trip some stuff geopolitically that doesn't need to be tripped.

[txwhitedove]

25. Ukraine is the breadbasket of Europe. Putin indeed lost his mind.

[NNadir]

26. For perspective...

It's rather amazing how strong a reaction a hint of radiation releases gets, compared to the every day reality of dangerous fossil fuels

These reactors are VVER's, pressurized water reactors. They are not RBMKs and are far more like the Fukushima reactors than the Chernobyl reactor.

How many people died from radiation releases at Fukushima again? Anyone?

One may consider this: Global burden of 87 risk factors in 204 countries and territories, 1990–2019: a systematic analysis for the Global Burden of Disease Study 2019 (Lancet Volume 396, Issue 10258, 17–23 October 2020, Pages 1223-1249). This study is a huge undertaking and the list of authors from around the world is rather long. These studies are always open sourced; and I invite people who want to carry on about Fukushima to open it and search the word "radiation." It appears once. Radon, a side product brought to the surface by fracking while we all wait for the grand so called "renewable energy" nirvana that did not come, is not here and won't come, appears however: Household radon, from the decay of natural uranium, which has been cycling through the environment ever since oxygen appeared in the Earth's atmosphere.

Here is what it says about air pollution deaths in the 2019 Global Burden of Disease Survey, if one is too busy to open it oneself because one is too busy carrying on about Fukushima:

The top five risks for attributable deaths for females were high SBP (5·25 million [95% UI 4·49–6·00] deaths, or 20·3% [17·5–22·9] of all female deaths in 2019), dietary risks (3·48 million [2·78–4·37] deaths, or 13·5% [10·8–16·7] of all female deaths in 2019), high FPG (3·09 million [2·40–3·98] deaths, or 11·9% [9·4–15·3] of all female deaths in 2019), air pollution (2·92 million [2·53–3·33] deaths or 11·3% [10·0–12·6] of all female deaths in 2019), and high BMI (2·54 million [1·68–3·56] deaths or 9·8% [6·5–13·7] of all female deaths in 2019). For males, the top five risks differed slightly. In 2019, the leading Level 2 risk factor for attributable deaths globally in males was tobacco (smoked, second-hand, and chewing), which accounted for 6·56 million (95% UI 6·02–7·10) deaths (21·4% [20·5–22·3] of all male deaths in 2019), followed by high SBP, which accounted for 5·60 million (4·90–6·29) deaths (18·2% [16·2–20·1] of all male deaths in 2019). The third largest Level 2 risk factor for attributable deaths among males in 2019 was dietary risks (4·47 million [3·65–5·45] deaths, or 14·6% [12·0–17·6] of all male deaths in 2019) followed by air pollution (ambient particulate matter and ambient ozone pollution, accounting for 3·75 million [3·31–4·24] deaths (12·2% [11·0–13·4] of all male deaths in 2019), and then high FPG (3·14 million [2·70–4·34] deaths, or 11·1% [8·9–14·1] of all male deaths in 2019).

Air pollution, for the record, kills more people every day than Covid killed on its worst day.

At the Fukushima event, 20,000 people died because of seawater. Again, how many died from radiation?

No one wants the savages to open a nuclear reactor core to the environment. On the other hand, the savages are blowing up buildings, people, and a lot of other things. As usual, the reaction to all things involving radioactive materials is way louder than the cry about far more exigent things.

[iluvtennis]

27. WTF. Stupid fkers. n/t

[usaf-vet]

30. Where have we seen this before? "We have to burn the village to save it." nt/