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(32,773 posts)I wish I could rec it 100 times.
elleng
(130,964 posts)sheshe2
(83,788 posts)Cha
(297,290 posts)We had been talking on he phone for about an hour.. discussing US politics and. of course, Ukraine.
I know she'll be Grateful, too!
sheshe2
(83,788 posts)I am so grateful they did.
Cha
(297,290 posts)from reading things on DU.
So Surprised and Grateful!
sheshe2
(83,788 posts)Putin is insane. Is this his swan song? If so how many will he take with him. I just don't know.
luvtheGWN
(1,336 posts)He's talked to him several times, and maybe he's afraid Putin is just unhinged enough to try to blow up the entire world. And if that happens, China won't survive the holocaust that a nuclear war would cause.
Xi must also realize that any philosophical connection to Putin inevitably makes China look BAD to the ROTW.
sheshe2
(83,788 posts)Cha
(297,290 posts)can only imagine how our Democratic Leaders are trying to save Ukraine but not start WWIII.
Link to tweet
Any Good News is so Welcme
ShazzieB
(16,412 posts)Not in the least. This is one of those times when it feels good to be wrong!
timvrip
(32 posts)that China would start flexing some muscle in this.
They have more to lose than any country if it comes to nuclear war. 1.439 billion people.
herding cats
(19,565 posts)herding cats
(19,565 posts)From the article:
New Development Bank, a Shanghai-based lender in Asia with much higher exposure to Russia, also announced on Thursday that it had put new transactions in Russia on hold in light of the Ukraine conflict.
This feels like an 'or else' moment.
Cha
(297,290 posts)Cha
(297,290 posts)herding cats
(19,565 posts)China wants us worried and apprehensive to intervene on their plans, but we've rallied the world behind us on Ukraine. I'm not sure they expected that level of United front? Either way, it doesn't bode well for their long term plans.
paleotn
(17,931 posts)Amongst the oligarchs who keep Putin in power. That and getting tired of their bros being suicided.
NoMoreRepugs
(9,435 posts)SergeStorms
(19,201 posts)and what they actually do, sometimes don't mesh.
Trust, but verify.
democratsruletheday
(504 posts)BUT if true this is monumentally a BFD and excellent news. Let's hope it can be confirmed. Man, that would be awesome.
True Dough
(17,305 posts)Say one thing publicly, do something else behind the scenes. Whatever the Chinese government feels is in its best interest.
BamaRefugee
(3,483 posts)Irish_Dem
(47,128 posts)It wanted to partner with Putin and shift world power to autocracies.
But Putin is becoming a liability?
Nuclear war, erratic behavior and terrorizing the world is not good for business.
And it does not convince the world that autocracies are a great form of government.
TheProle
(2,179 posts)https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/russia-ukraine-latest-news-2022-03-03/card/beijing-based-multilateral-lender-suspends-russia-related-activities-62Z9MLgC5yhNDWOXX0c4
eta non paywall link: https://archive.ph/TAVy4
smb
(3,471 posts)Politically-motivated positions can turn on a dime, positions motivated by self-interest tend to hold steady.
TheProle
(2,179 posts)It may fortify its effectiveness.
We just shouldnt kid ourselves that China is taking some sort of moral stand.
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)Kittycatkat
(1,356 posts)monkeyman1
(5,109 posts)Zambero
(8,964 posts)Propping up yet another rogue state threatening global stability would be a bridge too far.
PufPuf23
(8,785 posts)of Ukraine is good news but will take more for me to be comfortable with China's posture.
Been concerned and not observed much discussion of the Shanghai Cooperation Organization, the members (like China, India) were those that abstained from the GA UN vote.
wiggs
(7,814 posts)China about how supporting Russia would not be in their best interests. Not surprised if significant pressure was exerted, since China is key.
wendyb-NC
(3,327 posts)Thank you.
AntiFascist
(12,792 posts)roamer65
(36,745 posts)58Sunliner
(4,386 posts)pazzyanne
(6,556 posts)Ziggysmom
(3,408 posts)attacks on Ukraine are playing out live upon the world stage. Supporting this killing spree of pootie's makes China lose face, lose respect.
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)calimary
(81,304 posts)Shrouded in secrecy gives them a form of plausible deniability.
But all this awful shit is playing out live and in color on TV, network, cable, and local, 24 hours a day, so theres almost no way to avoid seeing it. And newspaper front pages and magazine covers too. If you stroll past any newsstand, its unavoidable. On every shelf and in multiple languages. All over everywhere. Wide open. And couldnt have more graphic and indelible messaging on the irresistible contrast differentiating the good guys from the bad guys.
This ones easy. Very glaring and clear-cut. The BIG BAD Putin aggressors and the targeted victim nation full of sympathetic common-folk figures, the defiant little David versus the big bad muscular meanie,Goliath. Were all hard-wired from childhood on that story which makes the message perfectly clear about the heroic virtue of the underdog. And an underdog positioning IS GOING TO gain sympathy.
TygrBright
(20,760 posts)FoxNewsSucks
(10,434 posts)Just putin's ability to repay any loans.
Martin68
(22,813 posts)Martin68
(22,813 posts)PatrickforB
(14,576 posts)I would have never have thought this.
lindysalsagal
(20,692 posts)Wingus Dingus
(8,054 posts)calimary
(81,304 posts)are hearing?
Maybe they've already seen enough, in their own right, to be convinced that Vlad's an increasingly bad bet?
Picking sides? And if so, then for how long?
BOY do I wish I could be a fly on the wall... But the only problem is - WHICH wall?
SOOOOOO MANY walls! So little time...
BobTheSubgenius
(11,564 posts)They don't live by dogma alone any more.
ismnotwasm
(41,989 posts)Wow.
blue-wave
(4,356 posts)lonely by the hour.
Rhiannon12866
(205,467 posts)Deminpenn
(15,286 posts)express approval of the Chinese government. Maybe the Chinese government even suggested the move to the bank.
smb
(3,471 posts)Deminpenn
(15,286 posts)in and around Ukraine, China could waltz in and take any disputed territory without even firing a shot if they wanted. And what would Putin do since China is politically aligned with him?
Layzeebeaver
(1,624 posts)Has China finally woken up to the possibility of a "multiple superpower" world that does not include Russia perhaps?
If the world crushes Russia through economic measures, then it's China, the EU and the U.S. that are left.
One could make a jump and suggest that the two powers that will matter the most will be China and the E.U. while the U.S. will continue to deal with internal issues
(Frankly, If I were China, I would be very happy to watch the U.S. and Russia continually grind each other down over the next generation).
The next resource war will include Africa - and China is already well established there. After climate, this is the next priority.
dalton99a
(81,515 posts)China seeks to unify public in support for Russia
By ZEN SOO
...
Ruling party control of all Chinese media and intensive internet censorship make it hard to gauge public opinion. But what the party allows online and requires media to publish make clear what it wants the public to think.
Media outlets were told last week to post only pro-Russian content and to censor anti-Russian or pro-Western views, according to a copy of instructions posted on the social media account of the newspaper Beijing News. The post was later deleted.
Online and in social media, expressions of sympathy for Ukraine and support for Russia appear but not criticism of Moscow.
State media repeat Beijings position that the United States and its European allies are to blame for the Ukraine war because they failed to respond to Russian concerns that its democratic neighbor should be barred from joining NATO, the Western military alliance.
BlueWavePsych
(2,635 posts)cstanleytech
(26,293 posts)After all if they were really appalled they would have condemned it but they are not because they themselves are guilty over the same thing with Tibet.