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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsPressure on Biden to intervene increases.
From this morning's Politico Playbook:
HOW TO PREVENT A WIDER WAR Biden has been adamant that he will protect every inch of NATO territory and that no American troops will step foot in Ukraine. The discipline to prevent escalation that leads to a NATO-Russian war and to remain firm about his no-boots-on-the-ground pledge is being tested every day. The pressure on Biden to intervene is increasing.
Bidens first test is the no-fly zone. The unified opposition to an NFZ World War III, Russia hawk Sen. MARCO RUBIO (R-Fla.) recently called it has started to crack. Illinois Rep. ADAM KINZINGER, every liberals favorite Republican, has loudly called for Biden to defend the skies above Ukraine from Russian planes. I fear if this continues, we will have to intervene in a bigger way, he said Thursday night after a day of heightened Russian attacks on civilian areas. Sen. ROGER WICKER (R-Miss.) is also on board, as are some big-name Democratic policymakers from the Obama years, such as EVELYN FARKAS, the top official for Ukraine in the Obama Pentagon.
Zelenskyy reiterated his call for a no-fly zone on Thursday. How long do you need? How many arms and legs and heads should be severed so that you understand? he said at a press conference in Kyiv. If you dont have the strength to provide a no-fly zone, then give me planes. Would that not be fair?
As the refugee crisis worsens and Russian artillery decimates Ukraines largest cities, the pro-NFZ voices will get louder.
JohnSJ
(92,219 posts)in Ukraine will guarantee that
Can the UN be used to help Ukraine with peace keeping troops somehow?
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)Putrid can't pay his troops this thing is over... They're not fighting for defense of country
BlackSkimmer
(51,308 posts)It makes us look like political considerations are more important than Ukrainian lives. Not good optics.
JohnSJ
(92,219 posts)The ideal solution would be for Saudi Arabia to step in to fill the short fall
gab13by13
(21,360 posts)JohnSJ
(92,219 posts)BlackSkimmer
(51,308 posts)It would be nice for Saudi Arabia to do that, but I dont think its the most altruistic of nations lol.
JohnSJ
(92,219 posts)Lovie777
(12,278 posts)all protocols are off. Putin wants power over eastern Europe and doesn't care how many lives are affected.
JohnSJ
(92,219 posts)gab13by13
(21,360 posts)it isn't going to happen. President Biden is not going to start WW III. The Putin Party (GQP) will use this talking point at election time; Biden should have done more, so let's keep posting their talking points every day to make it easier for them.
Send them more Stinger missiles.
Vinca
(50,278 posts)he's apt to do anything. I don't have the answers other than wishing an operative could get close enough to Putin to kill him and of course that will never happen since he sits 20 feet away from people at a table. He probably has a food taster, too. He's every bit as evil as Hitler, though, and if he steps a foot into a NATO country we would have to engage, nukes or not.
Bear Creek
(883 posts)I have been wondering about China. They are watching to see if Putin can get by with this. They do consider all of Asia as China and there is tension between China and India.
Emile
(22,789 posts)nuxvomica
(12,429 posts)All he has to do is announce he is going to visit Ukraine himself and invite the other NATO leaders to join him. Then it's no longer Putin playing chicken with the West but rather the other way around. I'm thinking way outside the box, of course.
Saboburns
(2,807 posts)It's foolish talk.
We, the US nor NATO, are NOT going to shoot at Russian airplanes over Ukraine.
Get real.
honest.abe
(8,678 posts)So only EU countries not in NATO. Not sure who that is but I saw a list someone posted recently. There are several.
Happy Hoosier
(7,314 posts)And start just over the Western regions to guarantee the safety of refugee and relief routes. Expand slowly.