Check out this video! We've captured an Enigma machine from U-505!

[mahatmakanejeeves]

We'll be towing the sub to Bermuda. The whole crew will be taken to a secret POW camp and kept away from other prisoners.

Awesome!

What I'm getting at is, why are the Ukrainians showing us all these cell phone videos of the equipment they've captured? Shouldn't they be all hush-hush about this and instead of shooting videos, getting the equipment out of the country and into the hands of a NATO country?

Like this one: Pantsir S1 captured by Ukrainians near Bashtanka

I like looking at the videos too, but why give away the game to the Russians? Loose lips sink ships, right?

Instead of sharing videos, the Ukrainians should be saying, "Pantsir S1? What Pantsir S1?"

I'm not complaining about anybody at DU. If you've seen the video at DU, it's already made its way around the world.

Enigma machine

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Two machines that were acquired after the capture of U-505 during World War II are on display alongside the submarine at the Museum of Science and Industry in Chicago, Illinois.

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U-505

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In her uniquely unlucky career with the Kriegsmarine, she had the distinction of being the "most heavily damaged U-boat to successfully return to port" in World War II on her fourth patrol, and the only submarine in which a commanding officer took his own life in combat conditions on her tenth patrol, following six botched patrols.[5] She was captured on 4 June 1944 by United States Navy Task Group 22.3 (TG 22.3), one of six U-boats that were captured by Allied forces during World War II. All but one of U-505's crew were rescued by the Navy task group. The submarine was towed to Bermuda in secret and her crew were interned at a US prisoner of war camp, where they were denied access to International Red Cross visits. The Navy classified the capture as top secret and prevented the Germans from discovering it.

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Oh, did you hear about the completely operational Kate we captured on Okoboji Island? Wow!

[muriel_volestrangler]

1. When you look at the list of which countries have had access, you know NATO already knows

what they need to know: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pantsir_missile_system#Operators

eg Iraq, Jordan, Oman.

[OneBlueDotS-Carolina]

2. Russia is not using secret cipher machines

As Germany & Japan used in WWII. It seems there are no secret codes to send to Bletchley Park's computers to decipher. Russia seem to have spent most of their military funding on everything but their land forces. Personally my opinion is that the videos of farmers hauling off tanks & APCs with their tractors, Ukrianian forces, "repurposing" abandoned or damaged Russian armor is a great morale booster & far outweighs keeping such things secret. These videos show the world that Ukraine have something that can't be purchased, hope. Thus the world has greatly ramped up the delivery of lethal weapons & other aid.

Unprepared and “analog”. And Western intelligence listens to Russian troops


Thus, “for the first time in a modern conflict, Russian regular forces communicate without digital mode”, that is, in analog, “making them completely audible to all”. They rely on civilian devices, as this photo released by the Ukrainian defense seems to confirm.

ShadowBreak worked on communications with experts and translators coming to detail both Russian plans to attack civilians (of “evidence of war crimes” he spoke Samuel Cardillofounder of ShadowBreak, al Telegraph) and disturbance attempts to interrupt communications and block coordination capabilities.

“Reports of losses, injuries… you can hear everything. Even the curses against your team, as in this recording, ”the analysts write on Twitter, making different audios available to everyone. In some, Russian soldiers can be heard at the front crying or insulting each other, demonstrating low morale.

“They have no idea where they are going and how to properly communicate with each other,” he explained Samuel Cardillofounder of ShadowBreak, al Telegraph. The company has heard fighter jets, helicopters, tanks, artillery, heavy ballistic missiles “speaking in analog because not all units have digital communication methods. It is a huge vulnerability for Russia in such an operation. It’s crazy, ”she added.

https://www.italy24news.com/News/388734.html

[Irish_Dem]

3. I agree, Ukraine is waging a very successful psy-op campaign against Putin.

They need to keep demoralizing and humiliating the Russian troops.

[OneBlueDotS-Carolina]

5. It's a good bet...

That Russian ground forces are viewing the same twitter feeds & open source intelligence many of us are viewing, that is if their commanders haven't finally taken their smart phones. There are many, such as:

Ukraine Weapons Tracker

https://twitter.com/UAWeapons

[Irish_Dem]

6. Yes and gossip/rumors can fly around fast with ground troops.

So those who don't have smart phones will hear this stuff.

I know, allowing troops to have smart phones in battle.
What were the commanders thinking?
They weren't.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

4. Big difference between an Enigma machine and a Pantsir.

[Gore1FL]

7. Secretly having a current decoding machine is different than having a 10-year old vehicle.

The first has secrets and offers potential future insight into the enemy's plans. The other is a secret-less weapon to be used to directly confront the enemy.

[FBaggins]

8. The PR value of the counted coup is greater than the intelligence value to be gained

A captured code machine needs to be kept secret because the enemy will change their codes if they know that you have it. A captured enemy cutting-edge aircraft might be kept secret so that the enemy doesn't know that you're copying their technology.

A captured Pantsir (designed 30+ years ago) doesn't raise such concerns. But rubbing it in their faces has PR value.

[haele]

9. Not the same. They're showing off field artillery with no new tech.

We showed off capturing tanks, airfields and facilities all the time in WWII. We didn't show off anything we captured that might have indicated we got cryptology devices or new tech.
The Russians are using HF/VHF dual band radios with common commercial encryption, like they bought a bunch of pallets from Radio Shack's bankruptcy sale ten years ago. Those or cell phones.
And most of them don't seem to have been able to figure out how to access the encryption function. Conscripts with four weeks "training" don't make really good radio operators.

Ham Radio operators all over Europe know the ground troop movements of the Russians just from chatter. And the Russians know it. Russian ships and planes are probably the only military units with crypto or modern electronic warfare tech that would be secret.

Haele