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Nevilledog

(51,121 posts)
Fri Mar 4, 2022, 11:33 AM Mar 2022

Volodymyr Zelensky survives 3 assassination attempts in days.



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The Kyiv Independent
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Mar 4, 2022
The Times: Volodymyr Zelensky survives 3 assassination attempts in days.

Two different groups have been sent to kill him, yet both have been thwarted by anti-war elements within Russia’s Federal Security Service, according to the Times' sources.

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Zelensky survives three assassination attempts in days
President Zelensky has survived at least three assassination attempts in the past week, The Times has learnt.Two different outfits have been sent to kill the Uk
4:33 AM · Mar 4, 2022



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President Zelensky has survived at least three assassination attempts in the past week, The Times has learnt.

Two different outfits have been sent to kill the Ukrainian president — mercenaries of the Kremlin-backed Wagner group and Chechen special forces. Both have been thwarted by anti-war elements within Russia’s Federal Security Service (FSB).

Wagner mercenaries in Kyiv have sustained losses during their attempts and are said to have been alarmed by how accurately the Ukrainians had anticipated their moves. A source close to the group said it was “eerie” how well briefed Zelensky’s security team appeared to be.

On Saturday an attempt on Zelensky’s life was foiled on the outskirts of Kyiv. Ukrainian security officials said a cadre of Chechen assassins had been “eliminated” before they could reach the president.

Oleksiy Danilov, the secretary of Ukraine’s National Security and Defence Council, told Ukrainian TV channels that Russian spies had tipped them off about the planned assassination.
Ukrainian officials claim the information that led to the deaths of the Chechens came from disgruntled agents in the FSB who oppose the invasion.

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Volodymyr Zelensky survives 3 assassination attempts in days. (Original Post) Nevilledog Mar 2022 OP
I wish they left that part about moles in the FSB out. nycbos Mar 2022 #1
Who says that's even true? Nevilledog Mar 2022 #2
That is what I'm thinking. brer cat Mar 2022 #4
Likewise, sow confusion and distrust any way you can. Fog of war alert. L. Coyote Mar 2022 #11
I think so too, likely came from foreign sources who may have assets or are listening Bev54 Mar 2022 #20
Or Maybe... smb Mar 2022 #30
My thoughts exactly, would be useful to get the Russians purging their intel folks Amishman Mar 2022 #5
+1... spies? what spies comrade ? .......nt mitch96 Mar 2022 #3
"that part about moles " Pantagruel Mar 2022 #6
Not moles, black triangle assets ouija Mar 2022 #23
He should take his family & gtf out of Ukraine SheltieLover Mar 2022 #7
reports are he escaped to Poland Homoudont Mar 2022 #8
Umm......Russian source. Almost guaranteed disinformation. Nevilledog Mar 2022 #12
I fear that some day, Russia will throw wnylib Mar 2022 #17
Courdelaine Idahose reporting live from Moscow L. Coyote Mar 2022 #28
Yup...disinfo Nevilledog Mar 2022 #37
I would like, at the very least, to see his family evacuated and safe. NBachers Mar 2022 #26
Yes, no reason to keep his family in the country. Wingus Dingus Mar 2022 #40
I often think of the Queen Mother at the start of WWII GeoWilliam750 Mar 2022 #41
I saw that quote before--it's great. Wingus Dingus Mar 2022 #43
Have there been any attempts against Vlad? Cozmo Mar 2022 #9
As paranoid as he is, I doubt he would go to the bathroom without bulletproof vests on. AZLD4Candidate Mar 2022 #10
Well, we can hope for another meteorite crash wnylib Mar 2022 #19
Yes. A "meteor strike"! calimary Mar 2022 #25
what i want to say barbtries Mar 2022 #16
Lines from the immortal Seinfeld, "Not that there's anything wrong with that". "No. No" Cozmo Mar 2022 #31
What if they faked his assassination? gab13by13 Mar 2022 #13
Well, we DO need "creative thinking" on situations like this. calimary Mar 2022 #29
I worry about him Buckeyeblue Mar 2022 #14
What they're going through barbtries Mar 2022 #15
he needs to wear body armor and have his own weapons. AllaN01Bear Mar 2022 #18
Nice! BobTheSubgenius Mar 2022 #21
... Nevilledog Mar 2022 #22
Dear FSB - turn your attention towards Vlad and eliminate the FUCKING problem. NoMoreRepugs Mar 2022 #24
We (the US) are also providing additional security assistance for Pres. Zelensky. liberalla Mar 2022 #27
GOOOOOOOOOOD. VERRRRRRY GOOD. calimary Mar 2022 #32
I know.... liberalla Mar 2022 #33
Oh Jeez,... the poor guy must look like Swiss cheese,... magicarpet Mar 2022 #34
Why dont we start James48 Mar 2022 #35
Honestly, if I were Lukashenko of Belarus, I'd be looking over my shoulder Wingus Dingus Mar 2022 #38
If Putin had any confidence at all in his own people DFW Mar 2022 #36
Yes. Zelensky has probably received Russian offers to sell out his people/country for his own Wingus Dingus Mar 2022 #39
Keep Stopping those Russian Death Cha Mar 2022 #42
Hmmm how about Putin "go through some things" turn about is fair play uponit7771 Mar 2022 #44

nycbos

(6,034 posts)
1. I wish they left that part about moles in the FSB out.
Fri Mar 4, 2022, 11:39 AM
Mar 2022

It will be harder get information from them next time.

Nevilledog

(51,121 posts)
2. Who says that's even true?
Fri Mar 4, 2022, 11:40 AM
Mar 2022

Make Putin paranoid about who to trust.


Not that I don't already think he's over-the-top paranoid.

brer cat

(24,576 posts)
4. That is what I'm thinking.
Fri Mar 4, 2022, 11:45 AM
Mar 2022

Zelensky is smart enough to use some misdirection to increase Putin's paranoia.

L. Coyote

(51,129 posts)
11. Likewise, sow confusion and distrust any way you can. Fog of war alert.
Fri Mar 4, 2022, 12:19 PM
Mar 2022

Be skeptical about everything you read, truth is the first casualty in the fog of war.

Bev54

(10,053 posts)
20. I think so too, likely came from foreign sources who may have assets or are listening
Fri Mar 4, 2022, 01:17 PM
Mar 2022

to conversations but by saying FSB agents, he will feed Putin's paranoia, while at the same time covering his real sources.

smb

(3,471 posts)
30. Or Maybe...
Fri Mar 4, 2022, 01:57 PM
Mar 2022

...he fingered the FSB because he knows Putin will think it's misdirection -- so saying it's the FSB covers up the fact that it really is the FSB....


Amishman

(5,557 posts)
5. My thoughts exactly, would be useful to get the Russians purging their intel folks
Fri Mar 4, 2022, 11:46 AM
Mar 2022

especially in the middle of a war

 

Pantagruel

(2,580 posts)
6. "that part about moles "
Fri Mar 4, 2022, 11:48 AM
Mar 2022

It's conceivable that part is made up, getting them to look over their shoulder has serious distraction value. Counter-intelligence is by definition, hard to figure.

Homoudont

(36 posts)
8. reports are he escaped to Poland
Fri Mar 4, 2022, 11:55 AM
Mar 2022

Take it with a grain of salt because it looks like a Russian source

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Nevilledog

(51,121 posts)
12. Umm......Russian source. Almost guaranteed disinformation.
Fri Mar 4, 2022, 12:26 PM
Mar 2022

Russia is trying to convince Ukrainians that Zelensky has abandoned them.

wnylib

(21,486 posts)
17. I fear that some day, Russia will throw
Fri Mar 4, 2022, 01:10 PM
Mar 2022

everyone off course by releasing a truthful statement on something.

GeoWilliam750

(2,522 posts)
41. I often think of the Queen Mother at the start of WWII
Fri Mar 4, 2022, 11:38 PM
Mar 2022

"With the outbreak of war in 1939, there was some suggestion that the Queen and her daughters should evacuate to North America or Canada. To this the Queen made her famous reply: 'The children won't go without me. I won't leave the King. And the King will never leave.'"

https://www.royal.uk/queen-elizabeth-queen-mother#:~:text=To%20this%20the%20Queen%20made,the%20rest%20of%20the%20nation.


wnylib

(21,486 posts)
19. Well, we can hope for another meteorite crash
Fri Mar 4, 2022, 01:16 PM
Mar 2022

in Russia, but on Putin's bunker instead of in Siberia.

barbtries

(28,798 posts)
16. what i want to say
Fri Mar 4, 2022, 12:48 PM
Mar 2022

includes things i try not to put into the world. But my sister did say it right out loud the other day and I agree with her 100%.

the world will spontaneously be a better place as soon as he is gone from it.

gab13by13

(21,359 posts)
13. What if they faked his assassination?
Fri Mar 4, 2022, 12:31 PM
Mar 2022

Make him a martyr while his fake death would give him protection. Would that demoralize the country too much or inspire it? Don't hit me up for a crazy conspiracy theory, I'm just trying to think of how to keep Zalenskyy alive.

calimary

(81,312 posts)
29. Well, we DO need "creative thinking" on situations like this.
Fri Mar 4, 2022, 01:56 PM
Mar 2022

DEVIOUS creative thinking.

Especially since the enemy may not be prepared to admit or concede that they’ve been out-maneuvered. I also can’t help but suspect that the enemy assumes they’re facing naive, gullible, and easy unsuspecting pushovers. They’re NOT.

And the more devious, the better. The enemy assumes we’re the “too nice” team. The longer they remain convinced of that, the better for the rest of us. THEY’RE the ones who’ll be unsuspecting. And that will be greatly to our advantage. They’ll be less likely to plan for, or be otherwise prepared for what we do. They’re not anticipating that our side would fight dirty like they do. And THAT is to our advantage.

Buckeyeblue

(5,499 posts)
14. I worry about him
Fri Mar 4, 2022, 12:36 PM
Mar 2022

It seems like he is the glue holding things together. He's got kids. I appreciate his grit to stay and fight. But it seems as if the world is a better place with him in it.

His courage and love for his country and people are surpassed by none. But I see an important role in the world for him.

Life is, ultimately, for the living.

liberalla

(9,249 posts)
27. We (the US) are also providing additional security assistance for Pres. Zelensky.
Fri Mar 4, 2022, 01:46 PM
Mar 2022

In the Sunday (George Stephanopoulos) interview with Jen Psaki, re: "the security of Pres. Zelensky", they requested additional security and Biden provided it.

I feel good that we have "security" people helping to keep him safe also.

https://m.




It starts at about 3:40...

magicarpet

(14,155 posts)
34. Oh Jeez,... the poor guy must look like Swiss cheese,...
Fri Mar 4, 2022, 02:26 PM
Mar 2022

.... just chock full of bullet holes head to toe. And he is still out wandering around ?

God Bless him.

I'd be more inclined to go hide down cellar, way behind the furnace.

Wingus Dingus

(8,054 posts)
38. Honestly, if I were Lukashenko of Belarus, I'd be looking over my shoulder
Fri Mar 4, 2022, 02:44 PM
Mar 2022

right now. That country has already tried to get rid of him and he cracked down HARD on them, imprisonment and beatings. He's almost certainly got less loyalty and protection around him than Putin. But Putin would really have a fucking mess on his hands trying to control both Belarus AND Ukraine if Lukashenko somehow went bye-byes.

DFW

(54,405 posts)
36. If Putin had any confidence at all in his own people
Fri Mar 4, 2022, 02:38 PM
Mar 2022

He would never have resorted to trying to assassinate Zelensky. It is more an indication that Putin is scared stiff of him. Putin must be resembling the last scenes of Hitler in his bunker whining about “Verräter” when in this case, Putin should clearly have the upper hand.

Wingus Dingus

(8,054 posts)
39. Yes. Zelensky has probably received Russian offers to sell out his people/country for his own
Fri Mar 4, 2022, 02:49 PM
Mar 2022

security and enrichment--and turned them down. I imagine that wasn't part of Putin's plan. He thought Zelensky would flee for his own safety at the start of the invasion, demoralize the Ukrainian people, and make them surrender with hardly a fight.

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