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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsToday's episode of "To Catch a Yacht": yacht belonging to Alexey Alexandrovits Mordaschov
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Ferdinando Giugliano
@FerdiGiugliano
Italys police has just seized Lady M Yacht - a 65m yacht belonging to Alexey Alexandrovits Mordaschov located in Imperia (Liguria) - in compliance with the recent EU sanctions.
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1:27 PM · Mar 4, 2022
It's just a baby....
mahatmakanejeeves
(57,489 posts)Nevilledog
(51,122 posts)WarGamer
(12,452 posts)Idiots deserve to lose their yachts.
Irish_Dem
(47,131 posts)I don't know where there is a safe harbor for them or how long it would take to get there.
wnylib
(21,487 posts)Irish_Dem
(47,131 posts)No access to fuel and boat fuel is expensive anyway.
Maybe they are trying to save some money.
And they will need visas and permission to dock wherever they go.
Maybe no one wants to give them permission.
I would think Saudi might let them park in the seas around them. Maybe even the Saudis don't want the headache of dealing with the Russians.
Even the Chinese are worried about their financial liabilities when it comes to the Russians.
WarGamer
(12,452 posts)wnylib
(21,487 posts)to fuel up and relocate their yachts before sanctions then.
WarGamer
(12,452 posts)These things ALL have ranges of 7500+ nM with the ability to be on the seas for several months at a time.
COL Mustard
(5,906 posts)Seize them pretty much anywhere. Maldives, no extradition treaty? US Navy coming to call. We only want the yacht. We will take it under tow. Best you not interfere.
Seize them, then sell them. Even pennies on the dollar would do a lot to fund security for the refugees.
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)WarGamer
(12,452 posts)The vessels are NOT seized, at least Dilbar in Germany.
Any asset in the land of a nation imposing sanctions, the asset is "frozen" legally meaning it can't be bought or sold, it can't engage in commerce, meaning can't buy fuel, provisions or anything.
Dilbar and the other yachts in question are literally FROZEN. Meaning Usmanov is STILL the legal owner. He just can't do anything with the asset.
It would take ANOTHER legal step to start to legally transfer ownership of assets.
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)Looking forward to seeing the fleet assembled and sent to the Black Sea to help refugees.
lastlib
(23,248 posts)I_UndergroundPanther
(12,480 posts)I would be going back and forth picking up Ukranians and bring them to America.💙💛🌻
Chainfire
(17,549 posts)It would still make a good reef.
monkeyman1
(5,109 posts)BamaRefugee
(3,483 posts)They'll probably just be reported stolen and get the insurance money.
Justice matters.
(6,933 posts)reports. Sanctioned is definitely not the same as stolen.
BamaRefugee
(3,483 posts)from you just because you are a citizen of a certain nation...what's the definition of that?
And this means that the next time the USA invades and bombs a place like, oh I don't know, Iraq lets say, whose citizens, as far as I know, never lifted a finger against us, then we're cool with the world just grabbing rich American's stuff?
Can someone sell a yacht they got through sanctions? Can someone legally buy it?
Who is going to pay for the maintenance of these things, it's not like you can just put them on a trailer and park it in the driveway.
I know you don't have the answers either, just wondering how this could be translated into some very much needed emergency funds for Ukraine.
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)SergeStorms
(19,203 posts)and many Conservative/Tory politicians.
Just like the republican party, conservatives the world over have no conscience. Money is their only god. I am surprised the citizens of the U.K. haven't made this a bigger issue. Boris has barely recovered from "Partygate", and now this.
Maybe the people of England have been slapping Boris upside his head. My attention has been east of there for the past week or so. I hope they've been making life uncomfortable for him.
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)SergeStorms
(19,203 posts)We're number 5! We're number 5!
Certainly nothing to be proud of there, is there?
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)Sends a clear message, we will keep responding if you keep attacking.
COL Mustard
(5,906 posts)Londongrad.
dhol82
(9,353 posts)Have no idea what they have in DC .along with a shitload of republicans.
SergeStorms
(19,203 posts)This must be his dinghy. Where's the real yacht Mordaschov?
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)SergeStorms
(19,203 posts)Roland99
(53,342 posts)Lonestarblue
(10,011 posts)Several years ago, the idiotic Republicans in Kentucky decided to invest the teachers retirement fund in hedge funds and other risky investments. They lost so much money that they cut teachers retirement significantly. Matt Bevins, as governor, tried to cut retirements even more, but teachers revolted. He became one of the most hated governors in Kentucky and lost his re-election to the current Democratic governor, Steve Beshear. Unfortunately, he has to deal with a legislature filled with right-wing politicians who are too stupid to tie their own shoes.
Someone definitely needs to find out why Kentucky has so much invested in Russia.
Danascot
(4,690 posts)is walking distance from Todd Asset Mgt. Prolly just coincidence.
SergeStorms
(19,203 posts)FakeNoose
(32,645 posts)... until we see it out of the water.
COL Mustard
(5,906 posts)Then you know it's a big yacht. I've seen some that do.
Danascot
(4,690 posts)A lot of information on many of these super yachts is available online. For example:
This site gives builder, year built, length and beam, hull material, engines, number of crew (14), guest capacity (12) etc.
https://www.charterworld.com/index.html?sub=yacht-charter&charter=motor-yacht-stimulus-8041
This one gives location (43.87768 N / 8.02411 E) and flag (Cayman)
https://www.vesselfinder.com/vessels/LADY-M-IMO-1012012-MMSI-319297000
TNNurse
(6,927 posts)You need to say it out loud.
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)Shermann
(7,423 posts)AverageOldGuy
(1,530 posts). . . in about two miles of water.