Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search
70 replies = new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight: NoneDon't highlight anything 5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
I'm not holding my breath, but this is interesting (Original Post) Wicked Blue Mar 2022 OP
This fits with the timeline of a 15 day war. (posted elsewhere on DU) SoonerPride Mar 2022 #1
And their young conscripts will desert even more than they already are PortTack Mar 2022 #3
Russian went to war with Ukraine - AND LOST WITHIN 2 WEEKS Obvious85 Mar 2022 #51
+1, ... and Putrid's petulant attacks on civilians. He can't win against UKR regulars so attack ... uponit7771 Mar 2022 #54
Pray god this is true! PortTack Mar 2022 #2
Me, too. BComplex Mar 2022 #4
That is an insult quakerboy Mar 2022 #16
... BComplex Mar 2022 #52
Bookmarked! Mme. Defarge Mar 2022 #5
Oui! timvrip Mar 2022 #68
I'm not holding my breath either, but I'm sure hoping it's true. liberalla Mar 2022 #6
Hope so also relayerbob Mar 2022 #7
I hope that is true. Happy Hoosier Mar 2022 #8
Or he will create a face saving "reason" wnylib Mar 2022 #24
Hope he can find his "reason" CommonHumanity Mar 2022 #62
I also hear TFG Emile Mar 2022 #9
Hah! See what you did! Lucky Luciano Mar 2022 #40
Maybe yes, maybe no Poiuyt Mar 2022 #10
But in WWII they were fighting for their own land. wnylib Mar 2022 #25
Good point Poiuyt Mar 2022 #28
Putin is trying to say that Ukraine is "their land"... Wounded Bear Mar 2022 #32
Pootie's song: This land was your land, but now it's my land Wicked Blue Mar 2022 #48
I don't see where RU gets the supplies to do such. They'd have to roll them in protected and uponit7771 Mar 2022 #55
Fingers crossed!!! The world needs this to be true!!! Karadeniz Mar 2022 #11
Good. COL Mustard Mar 2022 #12
Monetizing Postal Grunt Mar 2022 #69
Nukes. Mr. Ected Mar 2022 #13
I think Putin would use nukes depending on just how unhinged he is. Lonestarblue Mar 2022 #22
Destroyed by nukes if they launch. wnylib Mar 2022 #26
I agree with most of your post, but... Shipwack Mar 2022 #65
The society so skimmed by Oligarchy bucolic_frolic Mar 2022 #14
That's probably it. Oligarchs skimming Captain Zero Mar 2022 #56
Kind of makes you wonder why Putin Tree Lady Mar 2022 #15
He might be an even bigger, more malignant narcissist than the orange guy. pnwmom Mar 2022 #29
This shows us, though, birdographer Mar 2022 #36
The stable genius wanted to liberate Greenland from Denmark. Marcuse Mar 2022 #66
Yes he did. MarineCombatEngineer Mar 2022 #41
When Dubya invaded Iraq, it was only expected to take 7 days, a cakewalk. keithbvadu2 Mar 2022 #50
Yes, in 2014 UKR gave up in less than 2 days cause 98% of their equipment didn't work down to ... uponit7771 Mar 2022 #57
Their economy was't in great shape to begin with. GoCubsGo Mar 2022 #17
If this is real and accurate BannonsLiver Mar 2022 #18
If they make it. wnylib Mar 2022 #33
Very true. BannonsLiver Mar 2022 #35
Even if this is accurate, the follow up post clarifies this only applies to resources in UKRAINE. pnwmom Mar 2022 #19
That "stalled convoy" is surrounding Abramov airport for good reason. L. Coyote Mar 2022 #21
This is a substantially different point Hav Mar 2022 #23
Thanks for this update nt Wicked Blue Mar 2022 #44
50 - 75% of the current TRAINED RU forces are in UKR right now. They'd have to get supplies to uponit7771 Mar 2022 #58
Christo Grozev clarified in a later tweet that "run out of supplies" meant those staged. Gore1FL Mar 2022 #20
Thanks for this nt Wicked Blue Mar 2022 #43
The Russian economy is FUCKED. roamer65 Mar 2022 #27
The problem is that Putin is not behaving rationally. The US and other NATO nations pnwmom Mar 2022 #59
They're In Big Trouble, If The "Hollowed Out By Corruption" Theory Is Correct smb Mar 2022 #30
This should be something to wake US up, too. halfulglas Mar 2022 #61
It would be a nice note in history if Trump was Putin's asset to thwart the US AdamGG Mar 2022 #31
+1 n/t area51 Mar 2022 #60
Good news canetoad Mar 2022 #34
2 bunker boy's in the world ! Putin & Trump !! start shit & hide ! monkeyman1 Mar 2022 #37
K&R... AntiFascist Mar 2022 #38
Hey Mongolia, if you were toying with the idea of invading Wicked Blue Mar 2022 #42
or China... AntiFascist Mar 2022 #45
Resources? Reserves? Slammer Mar 2022 #39
They are desperate enough to try conscripting war protestors nt Wicked Blue Mar 2022 #64
No wonder MFM008 Mar 2022 #46
What kind of "resources" are we talking about here? Ammo? Bombs? Missiles? Silent3 Mar 2022 #47
Very interesting! TeamProg Mar 2022 #49
HOPE SO! Cha Mar 2022 #53
Bellingcat is almost always right. Sunday is less than 24 hours from now. ancianita Mar 2022 #63
Use the Russian corpses for fertilizer BlueIdaho Mar 2022 #67
Re upcoming sanctions, it was reported on The Last Word last night, that Sogo Mar 2022 #70

SoonerPride

(12,286 posts)
1. This fits with the timeline of a 15 day war. (posted elsewhere on DU)
Fri Mar 4, 2022, 05:55 PM
Mar 2022

Without adequate supplies for a prolonged attack, I can see their entire operation completely imploding a week from now.

uponit7771

(90,347 posts)
54. +1, ... and Putrid's petulant attacks on civilians. He can't win against UKR regulars so attack ...
Fri Mar 4, 2022, 11:32 PM
Mar 2022

... those he thinks can't fight back.

BComplex

(8,053 posts)
4. Me, too.
Fri Mar 4, 2022, 06:08 PM
Mar 2022

Would that it comes to pass! Russia's war needs to collapse in upon itself, and the people need to get rid of that dick tater.

relayerbob

(6,544 posts)
7. Hope so also
Fri Mar 4, 2022, 06:26 PM
Mar 2022

They've expended far more than they expected already. Would love to push them over the brink.

Definitely in the I'll believe it when I see it category, but certainly seems within reason

Happy Hoosier

(7,314 posts)
8. I hope that is true.
Fri Mar 4, 2022, 06:33 PM
Mar 2022

If the Russians have insufficient resources to maintain the war and the whole thing collapses next week, I will gladly eat crow.

And it NATO and Biden know this and are binding their time, and it comes to pass, Biden will be rightly hailed a hero and genius.

However, that sounds pretty pollyannaish to me.

I think Putin will pour every possible resource into Ukraine. His reputation is at stake.

wnylib

(21,487 posts)
24. Or he will create a face saving "reason"
Fri Mar 4, 2022, 07:01 PM
Mar 2022

for pulling out.

"Mission was only for good of Russians in Ukraine. Have saved Russians. Now is time for peace."

wnylib

(21,487 posts)
25. But in WWII they were fighting for their own land.
Fri Mar 4, 2022, 07:07 PM
Mar 2022

In Ukraine they are the invaders and it is Ukranians who are fighting for their own land.

Wounded Bear

(58,670 posts)
32. Putin is trying to say that Ukraine is "their land"...
Fri Mar 4, 2022, 07:18 PM
Mar 2022

we'll see, perhaps, how far he gets with that. It certainly seems that there is substantial public outcry to stop the war.

Wicked Blue

(5,834 posts)
48. Pootie's song: This land was your land, but now it's my land
Fri Mar 4, 2022, 08:14 PM
Mar 2022

from Kharkiv to Chrenivtsy, from Odesa to Chernihiv

This land now belongs to me.

Zelensky: You f*cking WISH, svoloch (bastard in Russian)

uponit7771

(90,347 posts)
55. I don't see where RU gets the supplies to do such. They'd have to roll them in protected and
Fri Mar 4, 2022, 11:33 PM
Mar 2022

... 75% of their current active and trained forces are in UKR

COL Mustard

(5,906 posts)
12. Good.
Fri Mar 4, 2022, 06:40 PM
Mar 2022

Let them spend themselves into starvation with this unprovoked and illegal "special military operation" in Ukraine.

Oh, and then soak them for reparations. All those yachts, private jets, mansions, etc. can be monetized if the governments are willing to do it. Hurt them and hurt them badly.

Postal Grunt

(218 posts)
69. Monetizing
Sat Mar 5, 2022, 02:54 PM
Mar 2022

The return on monetizing those assets might not be as great as we'd like to see. The mansions, condos, and apartments might bring in a fair amount but used jets and yachts will probably take a while to sell. In between seizure and sale, they will still need maintenance to retain value. Who will pay for that maintenance? I have no objection to putting the big hurt on Putin's enablers but I think expectations should be well tempered on this kind of proposal.

Mr. Ected

(9,670 posts)
13. Nukes.
Fri Mar 4, 2022, 06:42 PM
Mar 2022

That's the final move of a desperate cornered rat with an addled brain.

I don't think he'd do it, but thinking is dependent on reason, and rats can't reason.

Lonestarblue

(10,011 posts)
22. I think Putin would use nukes depending on just how unhinged he is.
Fri Mar 4, 2022, 06:59 PM
Mar 2022

He thinks of no one but himself and what he wants. If he doesn’t get it, he’s likely to destroy what he can—just like a toddler who would rather rip a toy apart than share it. The question I have given the level of corruption in Russia is just how much the top military leaders are willing to do to placate Putin. Would they actually launch nuclear weapons if Putin ordered them to do it? They know they retaliation would be horrendous. And given all the early warning systems, they cannot imagine getting a first strike to knock out everyone else’s nuclear systems. And they risk a mistake now because no other country will assume that a potential attack is a false alarm. So are the generals willing to be destroyed for Putin’s ego?

Shipwack

(2,164 posts)
65. I agree with most of your post, but...
Sat Mar 5, 2022, 12:44 PM
Mar 2022

I can believe Putin would use nukes against Ukraine, anything from battlefield tac-nukes all the way up to the big city destroying ones. However, who would shoot nukes back at him?

Ukraine can’t, because “thanks” in part to us they gave up all their nukes. The U.S. is afraid to even declare a no-fly zone for fear of getting involved in a war with Russia… would they (or an ally) launch a nuke at Putin in retaliation for an attack on a non-NATO country?

If Putin truly believes he is going to lose, he can go nuclear against Ukraine with zero consequences, except for being painted in the history books as the bad guy, which will bother him not in the least, I think.

bucolic_frolic

(43,182 posts)
14. The society so skimmed by Oligarchy
Fri Mar 4, 2022, 06:43 PM
Mar 2022

that its military is run as a just-in-time operation and cutoff from supplies it can't slog on very long?

Hey it's the hope for the weekend.

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
29. He might be an even bigger, more malignant narcissist than the orange guy.
Fri Mar 4, 2022, 07:13 PM
Mar 2022

Though we don't know the depths to which the orange guy would have descended if he didn't have some decent people working for him.

birdographer

(1,331 posts)
36. This shows us, though,
Fri Mar 4, 2022, 07:28 PM
Mar 2022

what would have been done to us if TFG had decided to launch a war. He did want so badly to use the military. He probably would have gone after Ontario. He could use his sharpie to include it in the US.

MarineCombatEngineer

(12,399 posts)
41. Yes he did.
Fri Mar 4, 2022, 07:51 PM
Mar 2022

He thought Russian troops would be welcomed with open arms so therefor, he didn't need massive logistics.

Also ponder this, he has only so many troops left, he's got to be watching the Chinese, despite the so called alliance, which I suspect is about as solid as the Hitler/Stalin "alliance" during WWII.

keithbvadu2

(36,829 posts)
50. When Dubya invaded Iraq, it was only expected to take 7 days, a cakewalk.
Fri Mar 4, 2022, 08:25 PM
Mar 2022

When Dubya invaded Iraq, it was only expected to take 7 days, a cakewalk.
.

uponit7771

(90,347 posts)
57. Yes, in 2014 UKR gave up in less than 2 days cause 98% of their equipment didn't work down to ...
Fri Mar 4, 2022, 11:34 PM
Mar 2022

... bullets being fired.

it was that bad on the equipment front

GoCubsGo

(32,086 posts)
17. Their economy was't in great shape to begin with.
Fri Mar 4, 2022, 06:50 PM
Mar 2022

It wouldn't be at all surprising if this is true. The problem is that they're restocking by looting Ukrainian stores, banks, etc. I guess we'll see what happens on Sunday.

BannonsLiver

(16,396 posts)
18. If this is real and accurate
Fri Mar 4, 2022, 06:50 PM
Mar 2022

Then their re supply efforts are well underway.


?s=21

I saw another clip yesterday from a different location. Estimates are that it will take these re. Supplies a week to get onto the battlefield.

L. Coyote

(51,129 posts)
21. That "stalled convoy" is surrounding Abramov airport for good reason.
Fri Mar 4, 2022, 06:58 PM
Mar 2022

Never was 40-miles-long and never was stalled, they made their way directly to the airport and secured the perimeter. Perhaps the only reason it isn't a major resupply point at this time is the lack of complete air control.

Hav

(5,969 posts)
23. This is a substantially different point
Fri Mar 4, 2022, 06:59 PM
Mar 2022

It should be added to the original post because so many will get the wrong idea.

uponit7771

(90,347 posts)
58. 50 - 75% of the current TRAINED RU forces are in UKR right now. They'd have to get supplies to
Fri Mar 4, 2022, 11:36 PM
Mar 2022

... the soldiers equipment on field RIGHT NOW and they can't.

Just think, if RU could do rail or road (no air or other land because its too muddy) they would've done it by now.

Gore1FL

(21,132 posts)
20. Christo Grozev clarified in a later tweet that "run out of supplies" meant those staged.
Fri Mar 4, 2022, 06:54 PM
Mar 2022

Sadly this isn't the end of the invasion, just the end of this batch of supplies.




roamer65

(36,745 posts)
27. The Russian economy is FUCKED.
Fri Mar 4, 2022, 07:11 PM
Mar 2022

If this lasts another month, it won’t be just Ukrainians fleeing to the EU.

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
59. The problem is that Putin is not behaving rationally. The US and other NATO nations
Fri Mar 4, 2022, 11:59 PM
Mar 2022

are trying to figure out how to stop him without making him lash out, like a 2 year old with his fingers on the nuclear codes.

smb

(3,473 posts)
30. They're In Big Trouble, If The "Hollowed Out By Corruption" Theory Is Correct
Fri Mar 4, 2022, 07:16 PM
Mar 2022

If their problems with fuel, maintenance, food, etc are largely the result of massive skimming and neglect, they really have no way to turn the situation around. What can they do? Order fresh supplies from untapped depots? Those supplies are probably just as riddled with cheap counterfeit parts, rations that expired when the idea of Donald Trump in the White House was a Simpsons joke, and empty boxes labelled with fraudulent paperwork.

halfulglas

(1,654 posts)
61. This should be something to wake US up, too.
Sat Mar 5, 2022, 11:02 AM
Mar 2022

Instead of always throwing more money at our defense machine, start convicting more of our oligarchs and getting what we're paying our tax dollars for, not to mention the people who siphoned much of our Covid money in the last few years, (hello, Jared) but I can probably only dream of TFG's family going to jail.

AdamGG

(1,292 posts)
31. It would be a nice note in history if Trump was Putin's asset to thwart the US
Fri Mar 4, 2022, 07:17 PM
Mar 2022

and then Biden was instrumental in deposing Putin.

AntiFascist

(12,792 posts)
38. K&R...
Fri Mar 4, 2022, 07:42 PM
Mar 2022

If i've read the statistics correctly, most of Russia's army was participating in the exercises surrounding Ukraine, and most of those participating are now inside Ukraine. Russia will not be left with much of an army.

Slammer

(714 posts)
39. Resources? Reserves?
Fri Mar 4, 2022, 07:43 PM
Mar 2022

I've read sources saying that Russia has "resources" is a mistranslation and that it should be Russia has "reserves".

Russia at this point has committed 92% of its assembled forces into the fight.

At the rate they've been committing their reserves, they'll run out of reserves sometime Sunday.

Of course, Russia has more military elsewhere in their country if they want to withdraw them from where they're currently stationed and transport them into an area where they're already having trouble supplying food and fuel to the forces which are already there.

Silent3

(15,229 posts)
47. What kind of "resources" are we talking about here? Ammo? Bombs? Missiles?
Fri Mar 4, 2022, 08:13 PM
Mar 2022

Is it actually being suggested Russia could simply run out of the materiel needed to keep harming Ukraine?

And if so, would Putin start using nukes, or, say, chemical warfare, simply because he didn't have enough of anything else left?

Sogo

(4,986 posts)
70. Re upcoming sanctions, it was reported on The Last Word last night, that
Sat Mar 5, 2022, 04:05 PM
Mar 2022

all of the current sanctions are a slap on the wrist compared to what it would be if the world cut off Russia's oil. They are the third (maybe second) largest oil exporter and can get by on the income from that alone. So if we really want to kneecap them, we have to cut off their oil....(my summary, FWIW, of what was reported on that show last night).

Latest Discussions»General Discussion»I'm not holding my breath...