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(12,286 posts)Without adequate supplies for a prolonged attack, I can see their entire operation completely imploding a week from now.
PortTack
(32,778 posts)Obvious85
(259 posts)uponit7771
(90,347 posts)... those he thinks can't fight back.
PortTack
(32,778 posts)Would that it comes to pass! Russia's war needs to collapse in upon itself, and the people need to get rid of that dick tater.
quakerboy
(13,920 posts)To taters. And dicks
Mme. Defarge
(8,034 posts)liberalla
(9,249 posts)This war needs to end! Fingers crossed.
relayerbob
(6,544 posts)They've expended far more than they expected already. Would love to push them over the brink.
Definitely in the I'll believe it when I see it category, but certainly seems within reason
Happy Hoosier
(7,314 posts)If the Russians have insufficient resources to maintain the war and the whole thing collapses next week, I will gladly eat crow.
And it NATO and Biden know this and are binding their time, and it comes to pass, Biden will be rightly hailed a hero and genius.
However, that sounds pretty pollyannaish to me.
I think Putin will pour every possible resource into Ukraine. His reputation is at stake.
wnylib
(21,487 posts)for pulling out.
"Mission was only for good of Russians in Ukraine. Have saved Russians. Now is time for peace."
CommonHumanity
(246 posts)I don't care what it is as long as the killing stops.
Emile
(22,789 posts)is going to be arrested any day now!
Lucky Luciano
(11,257 posts)Poiuyt
(18,125 posts)The Russians have a history of fighting despite heavy losses. Witness: WWII
wnylib
(21,487 posts)In Ukraine they are the invaders and it is Ukranians who are fighting for their own land.
Putin may not give up, but his troops may.
Wounded Bear
(58,670 posts)we'll see, perhaps, how far he gets with that. It certainly seems that there is substantial public outcry to stop the war.
Wicked Blue
(5,834 posts)from Kharkiv to Chrenivtsy, from Odesa to Chernihiv
This land now belongs to me.
Zelensky: You f*cking WISH, svoloch (bastard in Russian)
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)... 75% of their current active and trained forces are in UKR
Karadeniz
(22,537 posts)COL Mustard
(5,906 posts)Let them spend themselves into starvation with this unprovoked and illegal "special military operation" in Ukraine.
Oh, and then soak them for reparations. All those yachts, private jets, mansions, etc. can be monetized if the governments are willing to do it. Hurt them and hurt them badly.
Postal Grunt
(218 posts)The return on monetizing those assets might not be as great as we'd like to see. The mansions, condos, and apartments might bring in a fair amount but used jets and yachts will probably take a while to sell. In between seizure and sale, they will still need maintenance to retain value. Who will pay for that maintenance? I have no objection to putting the big hurt on Putin's enablers but I think expectations should be well tempered on this kind of proposal.
Mr. Ected
(9,670 posts)That's the final move of a desperate cornered rat with an addled brain.
I don't think he'd do it, but thinking is dependent on reason, and rats can't reason.
Lonestarblue
(10,011 posts)He thinks of no one but himself and what he wants. If he doesnt get it, hes likely to destroy what he canjust like a toddler who would rather rip a toy apart than share it. The question I have given the level of corruption in Russia is just how much the top military leaders are willing to do to placate Putin. Would they actually launch nuclear weapons if Putin ordered them to do it? They know they retaliation would be horrendous. And given all the early warning systems, they cannot imagine getting a first strike to knock out everyone elses nuclear systems. And they risk a mistake now because no other country will assume that a potential attack is a false alarm. So are the generals willing to be destroyed for Putins ego?
wnylib
(21,487 posts)Destroyed by Putin if they don't launch.
Shipwack
(2,164 posts)I can believe Putin would use nukes against Ukraine, anything from battlefield tac-nukes all the way up to the big city destroying ones. However, who would shoot nukes back at him?
Ukraine cant, because thanks in part to us they gave up all their nukes. The U.S. is afraid to even declare a no-fly zone for fear of getting involved in a war with Russia
would they (or an ally) launch a nuke at Putin in retaliation for an attack on a non-NATO country?
If Putin truly believes he is going to lose, he can go nuclear against Ukraine with zero consequences, except for being painted in the history books as the bad guy, which will bother him not in the least, I think.
bucolic_frolic
(43,182 posts)that its military is run as a just-in-time operation and cutoff from supplies it can't slog on very long?
Hey it's the hope for the weekend.
Captain Zero
(6,811 posts)Has also weakened the army.
Tree Lady
(11,474 posts)Took this on. Did he really think they would just give up instantly?
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)Though we don't know the depths to which the orange guy would have descended if he didn't have some decent people working for him.
birdographer
(1,331 posts)what would have been done to us if TFG had decided to launch a war. He did want so badly to use the military. He probably would have gone after Ontario. He could use his sharpie to include it in the US.
Marcuse
(7,488 posts)MarineCombatEngineer
(12,399 posts)He thought Russian troops would be welcomed with open arms so therefor, he didn't need massive logistics.
Also ponder this, he has only so many troops left, he's got to be watching the Chinese, despite the so called alliance, which I suspect is about as solid as the Hitler/Stalin "alliance" during WWII.
keithbvadu2
(36,829 posts)When Dubya invaded Iraq, it was only expected to take 7 days, a cakewalk.
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uponit7771
(90,347 posts)... bullets being fired.
it was that bad on the equipment front
GoCubsGo
(32,086 posts)It wouldn't be at all surprising if this is true. The problem is that they're restocking by looting Ukrainian stores, banks, etc. I guess we'll see what happens on Sunday.
BannonsLiver
(16,396 posts)Then their re supply efforts are well underway.
Link to tweet
?s=21
I saw another clip yesterday from a different location. Estimates are that it will take these re. Supplies a week to get onto the battlefield.
wnylib
(21,487 posts)BannonsLiver
(16,396 posts)pnwmom
(108,980 posts)L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)Never was 40-miles-long and never was stalled, they made their way directly to the airport and secured the perimeter. Perhaps the only reason it isn't a major resupply point at this time is the lack of complete air control.
Hav
(5,969 posts)It should be added to the original post because so many will get the wrong idea.
Wicked Blue
(5,834 posts)uponit7771
(90,347 posts)... the soldiers equipment on field RIGHT NOW and they can't.
Just think, if RU could do rail or road (no air or other land because its too muddy) they would've done it by now.
Gore1FL
(21,132 posts)Wicked Blue
(5,834 posts)roamer65
(36,745 posts)If this lasts another month, it wont be just Ukrainians fleeing to the EU.
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)are trying to figure out how to stop him without making him lash out, like a 2 year old with his fingers on the nuclear codes.
smb
(3,473 posts)If their problems with fuel, maintenance, food, etc are largely the result of massive skimming and neglect, they really have no way to turn the situation around. What can they do? Order fresh supplies from untapped depots? Those supplies are probably just as riddled with cheap counterfeit parts, rations that expired when the idea of Donald Trump in the White House was a Simpsons joke, and empty boxes labelled with fraudulent paperwork.
halfulglas
(1,654 posts)Instead of always throwing more money at our defense machine, start convicting more of our oligarchs and getting what we're paying our tax dollars for, not to mention the people who siphoned much of our Covid money in the last few years, (hello, Jared) but I can probably only dream of TFG's family going to jail.
AdamGG
(1,292 posts)and then Biden was instrumental in deposing Putin.
canetoad
(17,169 posts)If this is true. K&R
monkeyman1
(5,109 posts)AntiFascist
(12,792 posts)If i've read the statistics correctly, most of Russia's army was participating in the exercises surrounding Ukraine, and most of those participating are now inside Ukraine. Russia will not be left with much of an army.
Wicked Blue
(5,834 posts)now might be the time
AntiFascist
(12,792 posts)Slammer
(714 posts)I've read sources saying that Russia has "resources" is a mistranslation and that it should be Russia has "reserves".
Russia at this point has committed 92% of its assembled forces into the fight.
At the rate they've been committing their reserves, they'll run out of reserves sometime Sunday.
Of course, Russia has more military elsewhere in their country if they want to withdraw them from where they're currently stationed and transport them into an area where they're already having trouble supplying food and fuel to the forces which are already there.
Wicked Blue
(5,834 posts)MFM008
(19,816 posts)Pooty is pushing it.
Silent3
(15,229 posts)Is it actually being suggested Russia could simply run out of the materiel needed to keep harming Ukraine?
And if so, would Putin start using nukes, or, say, chemical warfare, simply because he didn't have enough of anything else left?
TeamProg
(6,142 posts)Cha
(297,317 posts)ancianita
(36,085 posts)BlueIdaho
(13,582 posts)Sell the wheat to Russia.
Sogo
(4,986 posts)all of the current sanctions are a slap on the wrist compared to what it would be if the world cut off Russia's oil. They are the third (maybe second) largest oil exporter and can get by on the income from that alone. So if we really want to kneecap them, we have to cut off their oil....(my summary, FWIW, of what was reported on that show last night).