Gen. Mark A. Milley At Airfield Near Ukraine Where Missles, Stingers...Being Delivered

[Me.]

“ NEAR UKRAINE’S BORDER — Some 14 wide-bodied aircraft transported a bristling array of Javelin antitank missiles, rocket launchers, guns and ammunition to an airfield near Ukraine’s border on Friday, as the United States and European allies ramped up their efforts to give the Ukrainian military a leg up in battling a foreign enemy that far outguns it.
The top U.S. military adviser to President Biden inspected the weapons transfer operation in an unannounced trip, meeting with troops and personnel from 22 countries who were working around the clock to unload the armaments for transport by land to the Ukrainian forces.

The American weaponry, which included the Javelins as well as small arms and munitions, was part of a $350 million package that Mr. Biden authorized on Saturday; within two days, one official said, the deliveries were landing at an airfield near the border that can process 17 airplanes a day. What began as a trickle — with only two or three planes arriving a day — is now a steady flow, the official said, with 14 loads from one airfield alone.

Gen. Mark A. Milley, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, included a stop at the airfield as part of a trip to the region. As he spoke to troops, cargos of Javelins rolled behind him. Nearby, two C-17s, the enormous cargo workhorses of the U.S. Air Force, sat on the tarmac.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/04/us/politics/russia-ukraine-weapons.html No firewall

So glad this is happening

[BigmanPigman]

1. Great! Just saw this on MSNBC Lawrence O'Donnell.

[Me.]

2. I Did Also

[BigmanPigman]

5. Next, he will tell us what to expect will happen

and what we'll see without a no-fly zone. I expect it to be extremely horrifying.

[DemocraticPatriot]

53. Stinger missiles can make a hell of a 'no-fly zone'

and it seems they have already contributed to a lack of Russian air activity over Ukraine...

Cost-effective, too...

[BigmanPigman]

54. I hope there are a lot of them on the way ASAP.

Every single day counts, especially at the beginning of a war. We need to nip it in the bud as much as possible.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

62. They've already arrived and are already in the field along with the Javelin AAM's

The Russians are going to re-learn just how deadly the Stingers are.

[BigmanPigman]

63. That's some good news and I'll take what I can get these days.

[Johnny999r]

81. DemocraticPatriot

Stingers were the downfall of Russian Air attacks by helicopter gunships and fighter jets in the Russian takeover of Afghanistan years ago.

[msongs]

3. one suspects russia is well aware of these events and locations. nt

[Me.]

4. I Notice No One Is Saying Where

a NATO country like Poland?

[msongs]

6. russia has spy satellites and radar and other plane tracking. If a teen in his bedroom can do it

so can the russians

[Me.]

8. I'm Sure You're Right

But my point is...will he bomb a NATO country in an effort to destroy?

[LiberalLovinLug]

30. No. That would be an invitation for NATO to attack Russia.

He obviously is taking great glee in watching NATO handwringing and saying they won't permit a no fly zone over Ukraine by them. NATO will watch Ukraine be bombed into the stone age first. All because they don't want to have a broader war with Russia.

But when is that excuse enough? Once Ukraine falls Putin will not stop.

[DFW]

70. There is one detail we can't overlook

„A broader war with Russia“ probably means nuclear weapons.

There won‘t be a „limited use“ of nuclear weapons. If one is used, hundreds will be used, rendering most of North America and Europe uninhabitable for the next 60 years. Not that any of us will be left to worry about it, of course.

[spanone]

7. ...K&R...

[Wingus Dingus]

9. Yayyyyy. Go Air Force!

[Cha]

10. WOW.. This is Brilliant News!

I didn't know this was in the works!

Mahalo, Me, for this Very Encouraging News of The USA Helping the Ukrainian Fighting Forces! 💙💛

[Me.]

13. It's A Beginning

I understand more and more countries will send they just needed a place to send them to so they could be distributed.

💙💛...

[Cha]

17. Yes, a Good Beginning Finally..

I know they've had a ton of things to line up before it happened.. just Grateful like we all are that it's Happening!

And, Gen Milley's in Charge.. Pres Biden Top Military Advisor.. the Gen who Turned Down trump for a military Coup.

little trump m must be streaming NOW!

The Military who is helping with these Operations Must be so happy to Help Ukraine Against Vlad.

💙💛

PS Mahalo for the Yellow Heart!💛

[gab13by13]

11. Great news, but,

Russia just brought in massive high flying bombers that Stingers can't reach.

[relayerbob]

18. SU-34s carry about 3/4 of what an F-15E can carry

Yes, very dangerous, but not really "massive". Definitely can fly higher than STingers, but Ukraine has BUKs and S-300, both of their own and captured

[littlemissmartypants]

44. Could you please translate this for me and the others here who haven't a clue what this means?

Thank you. 🌻🇺🇦❤🇺🇦🌻

[caraher]

49. I'll try

There's a recent news story about the Russians bringing in a different type of warplane, the Su-34. It is broadly equivalent to the version of our F-15 that is optimized for ground attack - it carries more bombs, etc. than a typical fighter plane, but far fewer than a "heavy bomber" like a B-52. So the two posters are discussing whether this means a big difference in how much heavier Russian attacks from the air might be in light of the new appearance of these planes over Ukraine.

My way of gaining context on this is to note that even an ordinary modern fighter plane can deliver a bomb load comparable to those typically carried by US "heavy bombers" over Europe in WWII.

Oh - and many (but not all) of the missiles Ukrainians have on hand to shoot down planes can only be effective against planes that bomb from low altitudes. The Su-34 will likely be flying higher and thus be less vulnerable to those weapons.

[littlemissmartypants]

50. Thank you. ❤

[MarineCombatEngineer]

45. BUKs and S-300's are Russian made SAM's (Surface to Air Missiles).

Stingers are American made SAM's.
An F-15E is an American made Fighter/Bomber aircraft used mainly by the US Air Force.

[relayerbob]

84. Well aware of that

My point was that they are not “massive” bombers, and that Ukr has other SAM systems

[MarineCombatEngineer]

85. +100. nt

[Johnny999r]

82. relayerbob

Stingers are deadly against helicopters and likely lower flying jets on strafing runs.

[relayerbob]

83. My comment was on "massive", not the Stingers

I am very well aware of the difference, and pointed out that Ukraine has other air defense systems.

[dem4decades]

12. Trump had him clearing Americans from a church, Biden has him leading NATO against Putin.

What a difference a President makes.

okay I know he was just in his uniform while Barr cleared them but still bad, and he admitted it.

[sheshe2]

14. Thanks, me.

The American weaponry, which included the Javelins as well as small arms and munitions, was part of a $350 million package that Mr. Biden authorized on Saturday; within two days, one official said, the deliveries were landing at an airfield near the border that can process 17 airplanes a day. What began as a trickle — with only two or three planes arriving a day — is now a steady flow, the official said, with 14 loads from one airfield alone.


Go Joe. Go USA,

Stay safe Ukraine. This President is with you as are the American people. TFG tried to blackmail you to win an election. He made you vulnerable by with holding defense funds.

No more, we are standing with you.

[Me.]

15. No sheshe2, Thank You

That bit you added is fantastic

💙💛

[sheshe2]

22. It is a form of of reparations.

This President is cleaning up from the filth and damage of the last 'resident did. He is trying to save us from WWIII.

Similar as Obama had to do after Bush ie: the economic collapse.

Both had there ratings fall, because promises were not met instantaneously! They want there ponies and you can't get anything before the shit is cleaned up, the floors disinfected and the furniture cleaned.

Some people that yell about student debt on a daily basis in the midst of what is happening makes me want to cry. There are 76K international students in the Ukraine right now, 25% people of color. They can't get out.

I posted about it here:


https://www.democraticunderground.com/100216435331

[Me.]

55. I Am Under The Impression That The UN Has Stepped In

and is getting them out...I truly hope so

[Cha]

20. Yes, the Failed Coup Traitor and

his magat lackies wouldn't sell much needed Defense Weapons to Ukraine.. So President Biden is is Supplying them NOW

Link to tweet

Link to tweet

Mahalo, she~ 💙💛

[sheshe2]

24. I had to go back to watching movies.

This after I saw an interview of a woman that was housing refugee children. The house was bombed. The kids were hurt but escaped.

[Cha]

34. Ooh.. it's an Atrocity.. and

I Hope Vlad the Insane Invader of Ukraine PAYS the Full Price for his Inhumane WAR CRIMES!

💙💛

[sheshe2]

37. I corrected my spelling.

Yes. I want him taken out. I am sorry, I do.

[Cha]

38. Yep.. Full Price!

[3catwoman3]

41. No need to be sorry. I feel the same...

…way, and I hope it happens ASAP. He deserves it.

[Me.]

56. Vote Vets Has It Exactly Right

[Cha]

58. Yes, VoteVets Do!

Link to tweet

[Me.]

59. Fab Pics

[MarineCombatEngineer]

21. sheshe2 telling it like it is.

[sheshe2]

29. Dayum.

We need a little break here, regroup, breathe, whatever. What a roller coaster. Four trump years, the pandemic that is not done with us yet...now Putin. WWIII?

He wants it. Ever read Stephen King's novel, Dead Zone. OMG. The Missiles are flying.

Thanks my dear friend, always love hearing from you.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

31. ...

We need a little break here, regroup, breathe, whatever. What a roller coaster. Four trump years, the pandemic that is not done with us yet...now Putin. WWIII?

Right there with ya.

Always love reading your posts.

[llashram]

39. ++

BRAVE PEOPLE...they deserve to survive.

[sheshe2]

42. Yes they are and yes they do.

I posted about the students as well 25% POC.

Opinion: Your solidarity is problematic if you leave Africans behind in Ukraine

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100216435331

I miss you.

[llashram]

52. your posting

speaks to the reality of POC living and studying in these countries and truthfully everywhere. Racism is always a fact of life faced by these POC and POC everywhere outside their historical countries of origin, north-south, east-west geographically worldwide. It has NEVER been different. In America, since 1619 brown skin people HAVE BEEN HATED, slavery cemented that hate. When I studied at Boston U. I talked to African students that had studied in the then Soviet Union. Racism was a fact of life then as it is now 50 years later in Ukraine and other counties in Europe and England. A POC studying to be a doctor, engineer, a physicist is still seen as worth less than those without melanin. That is the fact of living in a race-oriented world. Where race is seen as the deciding factor in being 'superior' or 'inferior'. Worth saving or not from death at the hand of a fascist aggressor's army as in this case of Ukraine.

Sad the world has internalized such hate. The human race is at war always intra-racially and interracially. I don't see attitudes toward minorities, especially Africans or any brown skin associated with Africa, as ever-changing. No matter if the country is Ukraine, no matter any country anywhere in the world. And the trump years showed the world it could continue the mindless, petty hate of racism, without consequence...

I know that the only way it can end is ALL people of conscience and goodwill in their hearts must stand up to racism as some are standing up to Russian aggression at this very hour.

People all bleed red, no matter their origin or circumstance. Vietnam 68-69 taught me that valuable lesson. It seems Ukrainians would understand that when it comes down to worth and skin colour.

Stay safe sheshe, I miss you also...

[brer cat]

16. Good news!

Thanks for the thread, Me.

[Me.]

19. ...

💙💛

[ashredux]

23. Come Tuesday....tide will turn

[Laura PourMeADrink]

25. So glad too! Thanks for posting

[Cozmo]

26. Unbelievable, young woman told me that there was no assault by Russia on the Ukraine

I guess I know who how she voted in the 2020 election. I had no idea that there were so many idiots in my neighborhood. How depressing.

[Cozmo]

32. OK. but do you believe it?

[MarineCombatEngineer]

36. Believe what? nt

[DFW]

71. Their language has no "the."

Westerners translate Slavic languages by interpreting context—as the individual translator perceives it, of course.

We have a Ukrainian friend over every Saturday. I speak Russian with him, but he speaks German with my wife, and German has articles. My wife has no Russian, and his German is very good. When speaking German, he ALWAYS calls his homeland „the Ukraine.“ Slavic people learning western languages often leave out articles because they don‘t know when to use them. It’s an alien part of speech to them. However, our Ukrainian friends here who are well versed in western European languages, including English, always refer to their homeland as Die Ukraine, the Ukraine, l‘Ukraine, la Ukraina, etc. I don‘t know how one can claim absolute correctness over a translation of something that doesn‘t exist in the original.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

74. Thanks for the info, I deleted the post.

[DFW]

77. No sweat. Just providing a little linguistic background.

There was a comedian in the fifties making fun of the so-called Soviet version of Little Red Riding Hood. Red's mom told her "here is basket full goodies." In English, it would be, "here is a basket full of goodies," but since he was imitating Russian (which he obviously spoke), he used their grammar. Russian is also a declined language, so to say "of," instead of using a preposition, they add something on to the end of the word, which we don't. City/a city/the city is "gorod." Of a city/of the city is "goroda." Of (some) cities/of the cities is "gorodov."

Many languages have their little quirks which makes them interesting (I speak nine), but it sometimes does make translating something exactly almost an impossible task. Assigning an article to, or eliminating it from a Slavic word often requires some creative translation, and even some guess work when trying to figure out what the other person meant. In time, it becomes intuitive, but that takes a lot of time. I got some real stares the first day I was in Russia, after years of studying the language and its literature. The trouble was, I had been fed a steady diet of Pushkin, Dostoyevsky, Turgenyev, Gogol, etc. in high school and college. I had never been exposed to modern Soviet era slang. It was as if you had learned English from Charles Dickens and Herman Melville, and then landed in today's Midtown Manhattan the next day. I got more than one query as to whether I had had nice sleep these last hundred years. I explained that I had never been there before. They were polite and accommodating, but I got the "yeah, we figured that one out already" look.

Anyway, no harm done. Language lesson for the afternoon (it is 3 PM here) is now officially over!

[MarineCombatEngineer]

78. Fascinating.

This is exactly why I love DU, I learn things I didn't know.

I don't know much about languages, but ask me anything about heavy equipment or semi trucks.

Again, thank you for the info, very informative.

[DFW]

80. Hey, if I ever need to know about that stuff, I know where to place the call.

My pleasure!

[monkeyman1]

27. # UKRAINE STRONG

[mysteryowl]

33. Here is what a C-17 looks like

Last edited Sat Mar 5, 2022, 05:12 PM - Edit history (1)

The cargo this trip was paratroopers.

Updated with correct intended link:

[Sogo]

47. WTF. That link takes one to puppies.

[mysteryowl]

60. OMG! Ooops...

This is the correct clip

[Historic NY]

35. May they shoot straight and true to their marks.

[Trust_Reality]

40. Glad this is happening

I am having more and more trouble balancing hearing about countries seizing Russians' yachts when there are crimes against humanity (by my definition) going on in Ukraine. If Putin survives, those oligarchs will just steal more millions and get new yachts.

[littlemissmartypants]

43. ...

?auto=webp&quality=90



🌻🇺🇦❤🇺🇦🌻

[Me.]

65. OMG

[littlemissmartypants]

75. That was my first reaction. ❤

[58Sunliner]

46. I guess they are feeling the pressure. It is a start, but we need to do more than that.

[Hekate]

72. The sanctions some thinks so little of have turned the ruble into 0 on the dollar, & the economy...

… is rapidly turning into rubble.

What else do you have in mind?

[58Sunliner]

73. What they are finally doing now, which is to find a way to get them more planes,

and hopefully more artillery from Europe. Don't get me wrong, I'm grateful for all we have done so far, but timing is critical.

[prodigitalson]

48. Gen. Milley understands the threat of fascism

abroad and at home.

[BlueIdaho]

51. I am no hawk

But I am proud to see our military backing up the promises our president made to the world.

[Me.]

57. AS Am I

THe president is doing an amazing job what with pulling all the countries together and at the same time attending to the domestic agenda.

[Hekate]

61. 🌻🌻🌻🌻🌻🌻Some good news, for a change!🌻🌻🌻🌻🌻🌻

[Texaswitchy]

64. We are all ready in WW3.

It started when Russia attacked Ukraine.

We and other NATO countries are given aid to Ukraine.

Ukraine was just the starting point.

Putin is a sick old man living in the past.

Ukraine cities will bombed so nobody can live there or rebuild.

I hope more women and kids can get out safe.

The only this ends if Putin dies.

I read that Russia gets grain from Ukraine.

Who will be planting the new crop of wheat.

We need to destroy Russian Army and Air Force.


All the stuff being sent over will help.

I bet we have special forces on ground right now gathering intelligence.

Someone is handing out the stingers.

My ancestors came from Ukraine but they moved to what is the Czech Republic a long time ago.

My cousin did a family tree search.

I have been to Ukraine and all that area after every thing opened up.

Glad I went.

[BadGimp]

66. a non paywall link

https://archive.ph/MZkqr

[Me.]

67. This Needs To Be Repeated Often

as news reports makes it sounds as if we haven't done this.

[msfiddlestix]

68. Great News. thank you.

Some bit of hope, thanks to our President and his leadership.

[Me.]

69. Right President At THe Most Needed Time

[msfiddlestix]

79. ✔️ ✔️ ✔️ ✔️ ✔️ n/t

[machoneman]

76. But, Stingers can't stop the Russkie artillery and missile attacks. Ukrainian soldiers likely....

can't get close enough to destroy mobile and towed artillery, let alone missiles with a far greater range. Principally, only an air strike or counter-battery artillery fires can stop the incessant bombardment. Not sure if the Ukes have artillery systems that locate Russkie cannons/missile launchers and precision-fire special shells to knock them out.

Yeah, more fighter bombers could halt the strikes and it seems their armor is stuck-fast for a host of reasons. If the artillery/missile strikes can be stopped, a standstill further hurts the Russkie advance. Hard to do however as the multiple spearheads (N,W, SW) make it really tough to fight on all fronts at the same time. Putin's generals did a lot of planning to encircle the Ukrainians.