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(51,569 posts)OnDoutside
(19,948 posts)AngryOldDem
(14,061 posts)Just like Hitler taking country after country. The closer this gets to Lviv, I hope the allies reevaluate their stance. All Putin is doing right now is upping the ante.
And Ill just leave this here, since it dovetails with the OP: The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men should do nothing.
There is war, and then there is just war as in righteous, not only.
wnylib
(21,346 posts)people don't "get it" that Putin will go beyond Ukraine and we will have to fight him. Given the nature of war and it's consequences, I would not be too eager to hurry it along.
But, more than previous wars, this one is much more than just fighting on land, air, and sea with physical weapons. It is psychological and intellectual. Wars always have those elements in developing strategies. But they are much more significant in today's world of nuclear weapons and cyber space. Rushing off to fight conventionally as in the past can be suicidal. Planning, flexibility, and creativity are crucial.
You can be sure that nukes will be involved in some way, large or small. While we wait for what is to come, get prepared for it. Water, canned foods, a mechanical can opener, blankets, flashlights and batteries, medicines, water purifiers, candles and matches/lighters, and a short wave radio with plenty of batteries might be good investments right now. Plus cash on hand and networking connections with others.
AngryOldDem
(14,061 posts)Its hard to separate emotion from what I want to write.
Yes, Ive come to the conclusion too that we are only delaying the inevitable. I just watched Blinken with the Polish official and he kept stressing the defense of Polish-Ukrainian border. It doesnt have to be the dropping of a bomb Putins capture of the nuclear sites will be justnas deadly.
I agree, too, that its time to start having serious discussions about how to prepare for a nuclear war. Rather have a plan in place and be seen as an alarmist, than not have one and have to deal with it in real time.
bucolic_frolic
(43,064 posts)an exchange of several nuclear warheads. Risky, and unpredictable outcomes. Which is why we don't engage militarily.
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(13,081 posts)ashredux
(2,599 posts)Demovictory9
(32,423 posts)sarge43
(28,940 posts)We don't know what that mad dog is capable of doing, especially if he has only one option left.
RicROC
(1,203 posts)it was stated that the US military is grossly underfunded.
Scrivener7
(50,922 posts)than the militaries of the next 10 countries combined.
Ferrets are Cool
(21,104 posts)ret5hd
(20,483 posts)US Air Force
Second largest air force in the world:
US Navy
Third largest Air Force in the world:
US Army
If this is anywhere close to true
hardly underfunded.
2naSalit
(86,356 posts)A really sick joke.
We spend two thirds of the nation's wealth on it each year so I call BS.
FoxNewsSucks
(10,427 posts)and their lemming readers and viewers will believe it, and blame Biden.
gab13by13
(21,264 posts)that the GQP uses as a talking point for the election. Why didn't president Biden do more? It is sad that so many Democrats are using the exact same talking points now.
sarge43
(28,940 posts)Wars have a bad habit of getting out of hand. If truth is the first victim of war, then plans and expectations are the second.
CommonHumanity
(246 posts)There is no point in asking what is the point of having a ridiculously expensive army that just stands by.
That would be a reasonable question if the world order and the fog of war functioned in a logical way. Unfortunately, it doesn't. We have the world we have and not the world, the situation, or the logical geopolitical situation we would like. As such, we must be clear-eyed about operating within the confines of what is and that means not using our expensive military might when it brings with it the threat of nuclear war aka untold death worldwide, untold future sickness, and untold ecological damage to earth, the home that gives us life.
Yes, it sucks, but bringing our full might to bear will only increase the suffering. It is one of those tragic situations where there is no wholly good choice. We must look soberly at reality as it is, rather than as how we would like it to be and that means causing the least damage. A harm reduction strategy.
Yes, it sucks that we cannot stop a petty little shit, but to do so to our full capacity could cause WWIII. 634-5787, I feel your sentiments, believe me. This post is not a criticism of you, but a reminder to us all - Though we feel powerless to stop this atrocity, we have to be careful to be clear-eyed despite the terrible powerlessness we feel. This is the world we have right now like it or not. Many of us feel powerless and in many ways we are. Let's do what we can and take care with our words and actions so the world can live to fight another day for the peace and justice we hold dear.
2naSalit
(86,356 posts)Mutually Assured Destruction! What are we waiting for?