So, Putin states the obvious and we (our leaders) have already agreed with him

[boston bean]

that we won’t enforce a no fly zone.

Ok.

[Pachamama]

1. Because we don't want to risk Nuclear War...

We wait first for the leveling and slaughtering of Ukraine and it’s population and as soon as they touch any NATO country - THEN we have a nuclear war….

[Elessar Zappa]

2. Unfortunately, this is Ukraine's fight.

We’ll send aid and do what we can but a no fly zone is equal to a declaration of war for the United States, which won’t happen unless Putin attacks a NATO country.

[JohnSJ]

3. It is very simple. If we implement a no-fly zone, we are declaring war against Russia.

[harumph]

8. The sooner the better.

He's not going to use nukes. We need to call that bluff and
destroy his forces in Ukraine. He's just wants us to believe that
he (might) use nukes. I call bullshit.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/24/world/middleeast/american-commandos-russian-mercenaries-syria.html

If we take out his forces in Ukraine, his military will turn on him. GRU must be taken out.

[CrackityJones75]

10. Why is it our call to make?

If he sets off even 1 that entire area has to deal with the fallout. Literally.

[Calculating]

13. So we should let him raze all the ukrainian cities to the ground and kill millions?

After WW2 and the holocaust the world said never again. Well, it's happening again and everyone is too cowardly to do anything about it because a bully is bluffing about using nukes if people stop him from massacring his neighbors. The Russians aren't stupid, they know that if they launch nukes THEY DIE TOO. Ukraine isn't worth the end of the world to them anymore than it is to us.

[JohnSJ]

12. "We need to call that bluff". Thank goodness Kennedy didn't do that during the Cuban Missile crisis

[Cha]

26. TY for Posting this, John.. I

was looking for it. Laurence O'Donnel explains very well why the US & NATO are Not implementing a "No Fly Zone".

Amazing.. I trust Pres Biden on this.. Not the internet.

💙💛

[JohnSJ]

27. Yes, I certainly agree Cha

[USALiberal]

31. Silly

[atreides1]

18. Too late

https://www.yahoo.com/news/putin-says-western-sanctions-akin-162656460.html


"These sanctions that are being imposed are akin to a declaration of war but thank God it has not come to that," Putin said, speaking to a group of flight attendants at an Aeroflot training centre near Moscow.

[Shanti Shanti Shanti]

4. He calculated right, EU/NATO won't risk wider war in their backyard and UN is completely impotent

[atreides1]

19. But

How much of that backyard will EU/NATO be willing to give up to prevent a wider war?

I hear the talk...but I'm not convinced that much will happen should Putin turn his attention to the Baltic states...in order to keep his promise of access to the Baltic Sea to his Belarus puppet...

[Shanti Shanti Shanti]

20. He will pound Ukraine cities to rubble, kill its president then pull back and occupy eastern 1/3

Along with all the southern port cities and land bridge to Russia. I think thats his goal anyway, it could take many weeks or months.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

23. And he'll face an insurgency that makes Soviet intervention in Afghanistan look

like a walk in the park.

[Shanti Shanti Shanti]

25. The Iron Curtain will take care of that, we back to 1955

[C_U_L8R]

5. He should be more afraid of us than we are of him.

But hey, that's the way narcissistic megalomaniacs roll. They don't give a shit and they take what they want.

[Firestorm49]

6. Poor Putin. He doesn't want to face amplified opposition. Boo Hoo. How much is BS?

More bluster from the mouth of Trump’s boss. If he can get away with outlandish bullshit, he will. Yes, there are verifiable reasons to not escalate the situation, but I’m sure that at this point, our defense experts could devise a plan that would to exert maximum harm on the little idiot, in addition to sanctions that need to be greatly ramped up. We sanctioned seven of the 300 banks in Russia. It looks good in the media, satisfies non-participants like us, and only scratches the surface of full sanctioning.

We have seen with our own eyes the strength and determination of Zelenskyy and the Ukrainian people. They are begging for help. I don’t believe that in one manner other than a no fly zone, that the EU and USA can’t come to their aid.

Secondly, if we are drawn into this mess by Putin setting “one foot on NATO ground” then it’s balls to the wall no matter what. I don’t doubt that Putin will try to take Moldavia as well, under equipped as his military may be. We may be in this mess whether we like it or not. Meanwhile, innocent men, women and children are being killed for no more than the ego of another deranged “leader”.

[JoanofArgh]

7. What's really sad is how many people think Ukrainians

are perfectly expendable. They’re just people to be bombed, raped and slaughtered and used as a human shield by Europe against Putin.

[harumph]

11. "used as a human shield by Europe against Putin.."

What the fuck are you talking about? The Ukrainian people don't want to live
under Putin. Would you choose to live under Putin or a Putin puppet in this country.
I sure the fuck wouldn't. I don't want to die any more than the next person -
but I may die trying to throw off that yoke.

[Calculating]

15. That was the point

The Ukrainian people will fight and cause heavy losses, but in the end they'll lose this without a no fly zone being established. At that point Putin will go 'full stalin tactics' to put down the resistance. Imagine women and kids getting lined up and shot anytime there's an act of insurgency until the 'acts of insurgency stop'. Gulags will be brought back where those who resist will be worked to death. Putin wants to be the next Stalin, and Stalin killed more people than Hitler. Putin won't be 'nice' about occupying Ukraine like we were in the middle east. How many dead Ukrainians will the world allow before overcoming their cowardice? A million? Five million maybe?

[JoanofArgh]

17. A Ukrainian woman said this on Katy Tur

and said a lot of Ukrainians think they’re being used by Europe , a country that’s been kissing Putin’s gonads for years. Talk to her about it. Ukraine begged to be admitted into NATO in 2008 and were denied because we mustn’t displease Vlad. Didn’t help much, did it?

[CrackityJones75]

9. Ya know it isn't just about us

We are in the other side of the damned world. Maybe… Just maybe there is input from the neighboring countries that would rather not have to deal with nuclear war in their backyard.

[harumph]

14. It would be in our backyard too.

Also, he's not going to do it. He'll fold like a cheap suit if we take out his
forces in Ukraine. And then his high ranking military is going to turn on his ass.
I don't know why so many people believe his blustering.

[Calculating]

16. Because a lot of people are cowards honestly

All throughout history evil men have been enabled by cowardice. People think as long as they personally have it decent it's not worth risking that to help others. What was that saying "when they came for me there was nobody left to help"

Establish a damn no-fly zone and tell the Russians that if they just back off and go home we'll drop the sanctions on them. We need to give them an out as well here.

[CrackityJones75]

24. Based on what?

Your gut?

A whole continent’s life should rest on your gut feeling? You don’t think there is any intelligence behind the decision? Just a bunch of idiots that don’t know any better than you?

[uponit7771]

21. ***PLEASE STOP WITH THE NO FLY ZONE*** Its a 3rd - 4th level option !! Short range and long...

... range AA along with Drones from Turkey will get the job better with

- less human risk
- less expense
- more ability to use them quickly
- less risk of involving Russia
- QUICKLY replacible.

People are stuck in a ww2 thinking, we need to get out of that

[LetMyPeopleVote]

22. Putin likens sanctions to a 'declaration of war,' says invasion pushback risks future of Ukrainian s

According to Putin, a no-fly zone will be a declaration of war on Russia

Link to tweet

The United States, Britain and others have so far ruled out supporting a no-fly zone, stating that it would be likely to severely escalate the conflict.

But Putin went one step further Saturday, saying that any countries enforcing a no-fly zone over Ukraine would be considered “participants in a military conflict.” The Russian president claimed that his country would see “any movement in this direction” as an intervention in its military operations in Ukraine that would “pose a threat to our service members.”

“We’ll instantly view them as participants in a military conflict,” Putin said.

[Mr.Bill]

28. All I know is whatever my level of concern is,

it would be ten times that if Trump was still president.

[Hortensis]

29. Surprised that anyone here would put it as our leaders "agree with" Putin.

Imo, more than a little strange interpretation of what's happening. I know there's a lot of conspiracism going around. Apparently some in the truck convoys believe the whole invasion is being staged as a diversion from their protest.

Whatever, please be brave and strive for faith. In spite of the misma of agitprop on social media, Putin is not conspiring with Democrats, running our country or directing our WH while Democrats hold it.

[boston bean]

30. It is the truth. Is anything I said untrue?

The point is Russian propaganda. And yeah, he does have us over a barrel militarily right now. And yeah it sucks. I understand the reasons. I about 30% agree a no fly zone.