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Nevilledog

(51,094 posts)
Sun Mar 6, 2022, 11:43 AM Mar 2022

These End-Times evangelicals are convinced that Russia's invasion is a sign of the Rapture.




https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-news/end-times-christians-russia-ukraine-invasion-jesus-return-1317243/

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The day after Russia started dropping missiles on Ukraine, pastor Greg Laurie took to Facebook with a message for his flock. To much of the world, current events may look like the unhinged machinations of a megalomaniacal authoritarian intent on worldwide disruption, but to Christians of a certain ilk, Laurie argued that the war could be viewed as something else entirely: a sign of the second coming of Christ. “Is there any prophetic significance to what is happening in Ukraine right now?” the heading of the post posed. “The answer is…Yes!”

For millennia, end times Christians have tried to shoehorn current events into proof of Jesus’ imminent return, taking cryptic language from the books of Ezekiel, Daniel, Matthew, and Revelation to come up with various theories as to how the world will end. In most of these theories — embraced by conservative evangelical or fundamentalist branches of the faith — an entity referred to as Gog and Magog descends from the “far north” upon a peaceful, reconstituted Israel, whose people had been “brought out from the nations, and all now dwell securely,” as it is described in Ezekiel. The resulting war that follows allows a Messiah to swoop in and come to Israel’s rescue. It also ushers in the end of the world as we know it and the establishment of a new and better kingdom of God on earth.

Certain members of every generation since antiquity have found ways to convince themselves that they lived in the end times. “One of the beauties of end times theology is that it’s protean,” says Randall Balmer, a professor of American religion at Dartmouth College. “That is, it can be shaped and shifted to comply with particular circumstances, and it allows those who subscribe to it to claim to have a command of history, that they know how it’s all going to come out eventually.”

Over the centuries, the Gog and Magog label has been applied to Babylon, to the Roman Empire, and to the Vikings, among others. It wasn’t until the Cold War that Russia entered the narrative, as many American Christians cast the U.S. as the “new Israel,” the USSR as Gog and Magog (it’s a land in the “far north,” after all), and Soviet President Mikhail Gorbachev as the Antichrist (he even bore what many considered to be the “sign of the beast” on his forehead). In addition to the apocalyptic threat of nuclear war, the formation of the modern state of Israel in 1948 was seen as proof that prophecy was being fulfilled and that the end times were upon us.

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These End-Times evangelicals are convinced that Russia's invasion is a sign of the Rapture. (Original Post) Nevilledog Mar 2022 OP
these Christians better hope not - God is not going to reward them for samsingh Mar 2022 #1
Everything is the rapture to them nt XanaDUer2 Mar 2022 #2
Exactly MLAA Mar 2022 #4
Bingo! BlueIdaho Mar 2022 #5
I would not be surprised if they would push the button them selfs just to prove they are right. mitch96 Mar 2022 #28
yup. which makes it amazing to me that this bullshit persists Takket Mar 2022 #26
Rapture? Great! Turbineguy Mar 2022 #3
Geez. One person's ending is another's beginning. I keep the hearing the song Aquarius... txwhitedove Mar 2022 #6
I read a book about other Jewish diarists during WWII One young man fervently hoped for the Karadeniz Mar 2022 #7
"Here I come to save the day! That means that Mighty Mouse is on the way!" Good one!! walkingman Mar 2022 #21
Actually it's a signal for them to raise money Doc Sportello Mar 2022 #8
If only--- randr Mar 2022 #9
Do they realize they can rapture themselves? C_U_L8R Mar 2022 #10
"unhinged machinations of a megalomaniacal authoritarian intent on worldwide disruption"? Midnight Writer Mar 2022 #11
All of them, Katie. nt Bongo Prophet Mar 2022 #22
one would think onethatcares Mar 2022 #12
And if you send Beachnutt Mar 2022 #13
Christians have been making that claim ever since the original Easter. Chainfire Mar 2022 #14
I wish their stupid rapture would happen already & suck them all away. CrispyQ Mar 2022 #15
It may have for all we know. relayerbob Mar 2022 #30
Yes But You Don't Go! tanyev Mar 2022 #16
To those about to be Raptured: Give me $15,000 and power of attorney now NCjack Mar 2022 #17
If I remember correctly a lot of them will be magically gone forever - good riddence. walkingman Mar 2022 #18
Dear God - Please suck them up RIGHT NOW! jmbar2 Mar 2022 #19
Russia getting their ass handed to them Ukraine doesnt fit their "math". roamer65 Mar 2022 #20
When all you have is a hammer... RainCaster Mar 2022 #23
The elevator is going straight down for them durablend Mar 2022 #24
These Evangelicals always think some event is a sign of the rapture. sakabatou Mar 2022 #25
Blahbitty Blahbitty Blahbitty Blahbitty Blahbitty Blahbitty BLAH hatrack Mar 2022 #27
Hmmm, seems unlikely relayerbob Mar 2022 #29
They should get ahead of the rapture rush. Solly Mack Mar 2022 #31
"This time for sure!" Gidney N Cloyd Mar 2022 #32
These idiots are one big reason why memberships in organizations such as these religious SWBTATTReg Mar 2022 #33
Selfish fuckers always want the rapture on their watch. Baked Potato Mar 2022 #34

samsingh

(17,595 posts)
1. these Christians better hope not - God is not going to reward them for
Sun Mar 6, 2022, 11:47 AM
Mar 2022

perverting his divine word.

many of these christians are the charlattans that the Bible warns about. They are the evil worshipping putin.

mitch96

(13,895 posts)
28. I would not be surprised if they would push the button them selfs just to prove they are right.
Sun Mar 6, 2022, 01:34 PM
Mar 2022

Pull a David Koresh/Jim Jones thing if you will.
YMMV
m

Takket

(21,564 posts)
26. yup. which makes it amazing to me that this bullshit persists
Sun Mar 6, 2022, 12:46 PM
Mar 2022

imagine not only watching a weatherman that is wrong EVERY DAY, but actually GIVING him money so he can keep funding his "forecasts". It is a bizarre thing to watch happen.

txwhitedove

(3,928 posts)
6. Geez. One person's ending is another's beginning. I keep the hearing the song Aquarius...
Sun Mar 6, 2022, 11:51 AM
Mar 2022

This is the dawning of the age of Aquarius.

Karadeniz

(22,513 posts)
7. I read a book about other Jewish diarists during WWII One young man fervently hoped for the
Sun Mar 6, 2022, 11:53 AM
Mar 2022

massive attacks because then God would have to come to earth to save the day. Some people confuse God with Superman or even Mighty Mouse....

Doc Sportello

(7,520 posts)
8. Actually it's a signal for them to raise money
Sun Mar 6, 2022, 11:56 AM
Mar 2022

Grifter/preacher thinking: "Hey, if it's the end times why not give ALL your money to me?"

Midnight Writer

(21,753 posts)
11. "unhinged machinations of a megalomaniacal authoritarian intent on worldwide disruption"?
Sun Mar 6, 2022, 11:58 AM
Mar 2022

Does this refer to:

A) Putin

B) Trump

C) God

D) Your average run-of-the-mill TV evangelist

onethatcares

(16,168 posts)
12. one would think
Sun Mar 6, 2022, 11:58 AM
Mar 2022

an almighty all knowing Deity would get some things right now and then. tfg was supposedly also picked by gaud according to the mouth of Pat Robertson.

Chainfire

(17,536 posts)
14. Christians have been making that claim ever since the original Easter.
Sun Mar 6, 2022, 11:59 AM
Mar 2022

All that had to happen is one nation had to throw a rock at the other. Fear sells salvation.

I have to admit, though, that even if my personal outcome would not be very good, I would feel honored to be able to witness the rapture.

It brings to mind a personal anecdote:

My uncle was a very dedicated alcoholic back in the 40s. He would go on binges that lasted for weeks, he was a celebrity for his drinking prowess. He was a very kind and generous man, but he was living inside a whiskey bottle. It seems that he was at some local juke joint, plying his art when he passed out. It was the wee hours of the morning and his drunken buddies drove him to the local cemetery, and laid him out on a grave and then backed off, continuing to drink, to watch. They claimed that as the sun began to rise he stirred a little then sat up. He was quoted as saying, "Well Ill be damned, it is the rapture and I am the only one who has rize." The story made the rounds for years.

To his credit, a few years later, he abandoned alcohol completely, and became a well respected member of his community.

CrispyQ

(36,462 posts)
15. I wish their stupid rapture would happen already & suck them all away.
Sun Mar 6, 2022, 12:00 PM
Mar 2022

The world would be a better place.

NCjack

(10,279 posts)
17. To those about to be Raptured: Give me $15,000 and power of attorney now
Sun Mar 6, 2022, 12:09 PM
Mar 2022

over your dog or cat and your house and personal property. I will monitor daily your family's presence on Earth, and when y'all disappear, I will come to your house and take possession of your pet and other things I want to make your pet and me happy.

roamer65

(36,745 posts)
20. Russia getting their ass handed to them Ukraine doesnt fit their "math".
Sun Mar 6, 2022, 12:24 PM
Mar 2022

LOL

Sadly, we are stuck with them longer.

RainCaster

(10,871 posts)
23. When all you have is a hammer...
Sun Mar 6, 2022, 12:31 PM
Mar 2022

Everything looks like a nail.

These clowns have such a limited view of the world and what is going on. They probably said the same thing about Hitler.

sakabatou

(42,152 posts)
25. These Evangelicals always think some event is a sign of the rapture.
Sun Mar 6, 2022, 12:41 PM
Mar 2022

It's been like that for CENTURIES.

hatrack

(59,585 posts)
27. Blahbitty Blahbitty Blahbitty Blahbitty Blahbitty Blahbitty BLAH
Sun Mar 6, 2022, 12:55 PM
Mar 2022

So fucking sick of these Bible Clown College dropouts.

relayerbob

(6,544 posts)
29. Hmmm, seems unlikely
Sun Mar 6, 2022, 01:39 PM
Mar 2022

That Jesus is going to saving people who are rooting for the deaths of almost 8 billion people.

SWBTATTReg

(22,114 posts)
33. These idiots are one big reason why memberships in organizations such as these religious
Sun Mar 6, 2022, 02:14 PM
Mar 2022

ones here, churches, etc. have been dropping like a rock.

God did say to use your damn brains/smarts too, and not be fooled by prophets coming out of the woodwork, and yet here we go, every single time some 'doomsday' event occurs, a huge earthquake or a war or a ..., you name it, these crazies come out of the woodwork, proclaim that doom and gloom is upon us, and the loop starts up again.

And ironically enough, even Jesus didn't know when the 2nd Coming was to be. And people think some crackpot preacher (the majority of whom I think are scam artists anyway) knows more about what's to come than Jesus? Give me a break.

And we think our generation is one of the most intelligent ones around, compared to the last 2000 years? I wonder. There is a layer, where the more learned of us, where the occupations requiring quite a bit of training, book learning, internships, etc. (nasty words here, 'book learning'!) now occupy the upper tiers of the middle class (and the older components of the middle class are fading away, as skill sets age and are not needed any longer).

All I will say, is stay away from me, mine, and our communities. We don't need your garbage spewing out onto our streets.

Baked Potato

(7,733 posts)
34. Selfish fuckers always want the rapture on their watch.
Sun Mar 6, 2022, 02:18 PM
Mar 2022

Leave people who don’t believe your fantasy the funk alone!

Their “chosen one” Dump pulled one on them so now it’s up to Sugar Vladdy ?

Again, GFY !

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