What should the US do about Ukraine? redux

[sarisataka]

Biden has said we will not get directly involved, but there is a growing number suggesting more aggressive action.

11 votes, 2 passes | Time left: Unlimited
	Extend our nuclear umbrella over Ukraine- advise Putin to pull back, or else...
	0 (0%)
	Send in ground forces with the ultimate goals of regime change in Russia
	0 (0%)
	Send in troops to Ukraine and Belarus, free elections will be held in Belarus and a DMZ set up between Russia and both countries
	0 (0%)
	Send troops into Ukraine to reestablish pre-2014 borders
	0 (0%)
	Send troops into Ukraine to reestablish pre-invasion borders
	1 (9%)
	Send troops into Ukraine until a cease fire, territory to be decided by negotiations
	0 (0%)
	Give Ukraine US air/ naval support but no troops
	2 (18%)
	Give Ukraine NATO air/ naval support but no troops
	1 (9%)
	Continue with Biden's plan sanctions and material support for Ukraine but no direct military action
	7 (64%)
	We are already in too much, US should continue sanctions but not provide weapons
	0 (0%)
	2 DU members did not wish to select any of the options provided.
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[ibegurpard]

1. Other

Continue with Biden's current plan with the recognition that direct military intervention may be necessary in the near future.

[Pachamama]

2. [phone]

Completely Agree

[Maeve]

6. Agree...take the next to last option and add "...yet"

[highplainsdem]

3. Hard pass. Too many options to consider as unwavering policy in a rapidly changing situation.

[sarisataka]

4. So "we have to do more"

but really cannot define what "more" is

[highplainsdem]

7. In case you haven't noticed, the Biden administration HAS been doing more and more.

The administration's recognized that more needs to be done.

In rapidly changing situations, it's a mistake to limit your options. Especially when the enemy is not limiting his.

[sarisataka]

10. Which would equate to the option

"Continue with Biden's plan sanctions and material support for Ukraine but no direct military action"

it allows "more" (supplies, weapons, intelligence) but draws the line at direct US-Russia combat in Ukraine

[ibegurpard]

11. No it does not

We can support staying the course and yet not rule out the necessity of direct intervention.

[highplainsdem]

12. I would be very surprised if there aren't already contingency plans for direct US-Russia combat.

Whatever our hope of avoiding that, circumstances can change.

[sarisataka]

13. I have direct knowledge

there are plans for direct US-Russia combat. There are still plans for US-Canadian conflict.

Yet there is a situation going on now and the question is what to do now. Every action, including no action, will have consequences. Next month, week, tomorrow the situation will be different and the choice may be different.

[highplainsdem]

14. Which makes your poll about this useless. The simplified poll is better, when a decision about what

to do NOW can have a different answer days or even hours later.

[sarisataka]

16. If I were an adviser to Biden

and walked into the Oval office to tell him "Mr. President, we need to do more in Ukraine" He like will reply with a question of what am I recommending. When I tell him, "Well sir, more." I would rightfully be looking for a job tomorrow.

Saying we need to do "more" is a completely vapid statement. "More" need to either be a course of action with a maximum limit, as Biden's statement of no troops, or a course of action with a goal, such as fight the Russians until an objective has been reached.

[highplainsdem]

17. Tell me at what time in the future and under what circumstances I'd be giving that advice, and I can

can give you a more definite answer. But your poll sets no such limits on time and circumstances. What looks like an unnecessary action at one time can seem essential later.

Here you seem to be asking people to set a permanent limit on aid to be offered in the future.

[Sherman A1]

5. Pass

Too many variables in a very fluid situation.

[highplainsdem]

8. +1,000,000

[Scrivener7]

9. Trashing. (See how easy that is? It doesn't require that I demand that everyone else stops

discussing this! Wow! What a great invention!)

[MoonlitKnight]

15. We don't know what is being communicated back channel

I assume there are plans for multiple situations.

My stance is to let the administration know they can go as far as they deem necessary. I want people to say what they want done because public opinion let’s our administration know how far they can go and still have public support. And strong support for more active intervention also serves as a deterrent to Putin. I think the no fly zone talk combined with the effective Ukrainian air defense has kept Russia from all out air bombardment. But there are a hell of a lot of factors at play.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

18. where is the "more" option

[True Dough]

19. I realize many people don't like David Frum due to his past

but he seems more "centrist" these days and makes some good points. Like these:

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