Marco Humiliates Himself Trying To Defend Jeopardizing Zelensky's Life

[babylonsister]

https://www.politicususa.com/2022/03/06/marco-humiliates-himself-trying-to-defend-jeopardizing-zelenskys-life.html

Posted on Sun, Mar 6th, 2022 by Jason Easley
Marco Humiliates Himself Trying To Defend Jeopardizing Zelensky’s Life


Sen. Marco Rubio (R-FL) gave a humiliating defense as he tried to explain away jeopardizing Zelensky’s life.
Video of Rubio @ link~

Transcript via CNN:

TAPPER: You tweeted a photo of Zelensky during the virtual meeting,.

Democratic Congressman Dean Phillips said that the Ukrainian ambassador had explicitly asked lawmakers not to share anything on social media until after the meeting ended just for Zelensky’s security.

Is that true? Was it a mistake for you to tweet that picture?

RUBIO: Well, first of all, she asked that like 30 minutes into the call, after I had already done it.

The second is, I think she’s under the impression that no one knew that call was happening. That call had been widely reported. Actually, the specific time had been reported. There were over 300 people on it. All the call details had been e-mailed. So, there was nothing secure about that call.

And the picture is just a nondescript picture. It looks just like any of the other ones that you have seen out there publicly. So, I — there’s no risk posed.

But you’re always going to have a couple of people that want their name in an article somewhere and mentioned in the press. So…

If the warning not to tweet came 30 minutes into the call, why were the other 298 people on the call not tweeting?

None of Rubio’s excuses make sense.

Marco Rubio is the former chair and current vice-chair of the Senate Intelligence Committee. He knows better than to tweet something like that could potentially disclose Zelensky’s location, especially when Putin has made multiple attempts on the Ukrainian president’s life.

Rubio could have apologized for the error, but he chose to keep this story going by offering such weak excuses that he is embarrassing himself.

Sen. Rubio tweeted the picture because he thought that it would help his reelection campaign. Such reckless behavior only proves that he does not belong in the U.S. Senate.

[Walleye]

1. The Republicans just can't get it through their heads that Russia is the enemy

Putin wants to murder this guy, Rubio, grow the fuck up

[Merlot]

16. Because to republicans, russia is not the enemy, liberals are

And it appears russia also has deep pockets for some republicans.

[czarjak]

2. Weak. Not woke.

[TheBlackAdder]

43. Come fly with me, Marco!

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[Disaffected]

3. OK but I still don't quite understand

how tweeting a pic of Zelensky during the call endangered his life.

[viva la]

5. You don't want to give away his location

While he's still there. There are supposedly assassination squads gunning for him.

But no one can get in the way of Marco Rubio's craven need for publicity.

[Disaffected]

9. Of course not (on both counts).

But, how does tweeting an image which contains no useful info (other than he is doing a Zoom conference) disclose his location?

[Maraya1969]

41. There is information that goes along with photos and tweets from zoom. Like a time stamp is

openly visible. And on my phone I just have to click on a button and it will tell me where the photo was taken and when.

[Disaffected]

42. OK then

Zoom allows a tweet of a Zoom participant image which has a time stamp. But it also contains where the tweet originated? My question is how does it know where the "tweeter" is located and, how would that help determine the location of the person i.e. Zelensky, in the image that was tweeted (which is the crux of the matter)?

Not saying I disagree with what you say, just trying to understand how it might work.

[elias7]

49. If I knew a huge bandwidth event was happening at a partial moment in time,

and I know both Marco Rubio and Zelensky were connected to whatever IP address was hosting, I would consider that a good start in locating Zelensky if I was actively trying assassinate him and had Intelligence level IT folks at my immediate disposal.

[dsc]

6. It could have led to an ability to discover where he is

both by any back round stuff and from any meta data that might be in the zoom feed.

[Disaffected]

10. I doubt if the background info would be useful - it looks very mundane to me.

But what of the meta data? If Rubio tweeted from his twitter account, how would that meta data be useful to anyone trying to find Zelensky's location?

Note I'm not contending what Rubio did wasn't dangerous, I'm just trying to understand why.

Edit to add: And, if the Zoom conference posed any risk to Zelensky, why would they do it? Surely depending on a hundred participants (or what ever the number was) to not spill anything would have been highly inadvisable.

[pnwmom]

18. Zelenskyy himself was concerned that these "mundane"photos might identify his location in real time.

It isn't up to us, or even to Marco Rubio, to second guess him.

[Disaffected]

19. I'm not second guessing anyone.

I simply would like to understand how tweeting a nondescript image of Zelensky doing a Zoom would disclose his location or cause any other jeopardy for that matter.

Surely if there was a concern of disclosing his location via a simple image, they would take care to see no useful info could be conveyed by the image (or not do a Zoom at all - why not just an audio only Zoom?).

[ShazzieB]

22. I kind of wondered the same thing.

I didn't say anything at the time, but it definitely went through my mind. I'm glad to know I'm not the only one who wondered.

I still don't see where anyone's fully answered the question, and I still wish someone would. I realize that there may be factors I'm not aware of, but I'd still like to know.

[Disaffected]

36. We are still in the dark.

Last edited Sun Mar 6, 2022, 08:25 PM - Edit history (2)

No-one has answered the question, yet.

And we are probably not the only ones who have wondered about it.....

BTW, here's what's going on here:

"A straw man is a form of argument and an informal fallacy of having the impression of refuting an argument, whereas the real subject of the argument was not addressed or refuted, but instead replaced with a false one."

Also BTW: I understand your reticence to pose that question here.

[keopeli]

23. His life is in imminent danger. They do everything in their power to protect their president.

They reroute through several DNS servers. They don't put anything identifying in the background. They use all the resources possible to scramble this information. He needed to make the call because protecting his country is more important than protecting his life. Even after all that protection, and knowing that a very capable enemy is trying to kill you every second, we still know that sometimes mistakes are made, accidents happen and that nothing is ever 100% safe. So, knowing this is a risky phone call, they ask all participants to take care not to tweet or otherwise provide public information that COULD compromise the security of this information.

Wouldn't you do the same thing if you were in charge of Zelensky's safety? Even if you had already done everything humanly possible to make sure nothing could get out? Or would you say, okay, I've done everything to protect you, Mr. President? You are 100% safe. Rest assured that you can make this call and, even if the Russians themselves are watching the call, you will not be compromised in any way.

Do you understand now? Do you see now why what Rubio did was negligent and dangerous? Do you see that your question doesn't have to have a 100% answer, like "here is exactly what would happen if you tweet out this image during the call"? Your question does not have a definitive answer available. It's a precaution that anyone would take. And, it's disgusting that Rubio would ignore this instruction, even if there was a very low chance that his tweet could have been used to find Zelensky.

What I'm trying to say is that you are not asking a good question in the context of the issue at hand. If you are just curious about how a picture can give away a location, do some internet research on how this has gotten people killed in the past. I remember stories from Iraq and the early 2000s about how images were used to find the location of people that were then located and captured or killed. It happens. That's why we take precautions.

I hope that helps you answer your question and also explains why your question comes across as insensitive and upsetting in the context in which you are asking it.

Blessings to you!

[pnwmom]

29. Thank you! n/t

[Disaffected]

34. Sigh.

OK, I give up.

[pnwmom]

28. Yes, you are. You doubt that the photo could reveal anything. That's second guessing

President Zelenskyy's judgment on the matter.

We don't know what the furniture or the walls in the room, that look so mundane to you, could reveal to Russia's intelligence service.

[Disaffected]

37. Your argument doesn't compute.

Of course they would be concerned about revealing his whereabouts via the video. I imagine that's why the background was made deliberately nondescript. Surely if they thought there was any serious chance of revealing his location via the video, as I mentioned in another response, they would have gone with an audio conference only. Or some other means of messaging...

[Mr.Bill]

7. Russian intelligence

could have recognized things in the photo that could be clues to his location. Even something as mundane as the chair he was sitting in could be matched with other photos where they knew what building that chair is in.

[haele]

27. Because they know when the call is being made.

So they know Zelenskyy's location at that time and can search for broadcast signals while he's on air.
Least data to search through. Similar to the way Russians (and other tech savvy units) use to pinpoint strike data, faking phone calls to relatives so they would call their soldiers in a panic, and they'd wait for that signal connection in the general area the "enemy" should be and triangulate to direct the attack.

Lots of noise in Kyiv. If they know when the Zoom call is happening, they can target it more easily.

There was a window before and after the actual call to Congress, probably close to three hours, just to protect the actual location.

Haele

[Disaffected]

35. You (and others) are missing the point.

My question was how would they know his location by the tweet that Rubio sent.

Not how would they know his location by possible other means.

[haele]

39. Because Rubio and Daines were tweeting live.

It's not that they'd get any metadata from Rubio's tweet, it's that they will know Zelenskyy is at a site at a specific time, and can start searching for his broadcast location out of the likely locations they think he might be. It's not certain they could find him at that time,, but they can narrow down the location and wait for the next time he might use it.
It's a game of finding patterns.
The Ukrainians know this and don't want to reduce the number of operational areas they can use, because there's only so much movement they can do since Zelenskyy wants to stay in Kyiv.

Haele

[Disaffected]

40. Not sure I understand that.

What do you mean by "broadcast"? In an up-post you said that in the context of "on the air". This was not a TV broadcast - it was via internet. That being the case, is there some mechanism the Russians could possibly trace the location of the site - maybe by hacking the ISPs that service the Kyiv area or some-such? If so, how would that work?

If that is possible, it provides a plausible answer to the question.

[CrackityJones75]

44. Wait are you new to the internet?

I am not joking. Do you know how the internet works?

[agingdem]

4. Bible thumper Marco has the mental acuity and the cognitive awareness

of a two year old...he redefines stupid but not in a good way...

[Travel Hat]

8. Did he delete the tweet when heard that heard he shouldn't do that?

Bet he didn't. Someone should check that.

[MagickMuffin]

11. Tapper should've asked about the Russian money Marco receives!

I believe it's in the millions.

[dickthegrouch]

12. People have been renditioned for less.

Rendition might work both ways.
Just sayin

[keithbvadu2]

13. Little Marco should stick with his area of expertise; Trump's genitals.

[Docreed2003]

14. Call me a cynic but I don't buy lil Marco's excuse

Maybe he's just an idiotic prick, but this is a dude who has taken Russian money in the past

[Marcuse]

15. Marco's tweet was legitimate political discourse.

if necessary.

[lpbk2713]

17. Why did he not just use good judgment?

Oh.

Never mind.

Silly question.

[Raven123]

20. Why is anyone tweeting when they should be attentive to the discussion? How immature

[XacerbatedDem]

46. Exactly what I was thinking.

Hey, Rubio, quit tweeting and pay attention!!!

Bet he got that in school, too.

[BlueKentuckyGirl]

21. Blowback for Daines?

Marco Rubio deserves every bit of the blowback he's getting for this, but how about Daines!? Haven't seen any for him, and he deserves it also.

[Delmette2.0]

33. I was a boy to ask the same question.

Sen.Steve Daines needs to be mentioned every time Rubio is.

And don't forget that July 2017 trip to Russia Daines was in with 5 other Senators.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

24. I don't think he's capable of shame

He's that fucking stupid.

[Cosmocat]

30. True story

nm

[yardwork]

25. Marco is that guy we all knew in high school.

He wanted to be class president but that wasn't happening.

[OMGWTF]

26. Have I told you lately how much I fking hate the GQP?

[LetMyPeopleVote]

31. Two GOP senators share photos of Zelenskyy during call after lawmakers asked not to by Ukraine

I hate agreeing with Mitt Romney

Link to tweet

Two Republican senators are facing criticism after tweeting photos of a video call with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy even though participating lawmakers were told to not share pictures on social media while it was in progress.

Sens. Marco Rubio of Florida and Steve Daines of Montana posted pictures of Zelenskyy on their Twitter accounts during the Zoom meeting Saturday morning, writing that they were on a call with him.....

"The lack of discipline in Congress is truly astounding," Crow wrote. "If an embattled wartime leader asks you to keep quiet about a meeting, you better keep quiet about the meeting. I’m not saying a damn thing. Lives are at stake."

Members were explicitly asked not to tweet or post pictures of the call while it was in progress, multiple aides told NBC News. The embassy coordinated this with the offices of Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer, D-N.Y., and Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., as well as the Congressional Ukraine Caucus, said a Democratic leadership aide.

[FeelingBlue]

32. Rubio signaled

To Russia that he doesn’t take orders from Ukrainians, that he still needs and wants Russian campaign contributions and that he will do Russia’s bidding. Simple. Clear. Easy. Corrupt as Hell.

[crickets]

38. Bingo. The only parties who could benefit from that tweet were Rubio and Russia.

Let's say there was no real danger. I personally don't rule it out, but for the sake of argument, say there's no harm done by tweeting out an image of Zelenskyy during the Zoom call.

Regardless, because of security concerns expressed by Ukraine, there was a request not to do it.

It's a test: who among these people is trustworthy enough to abide by the simplest of requests?

Rubio failed the test, as did Daines. They both failed in spectacular fashion, not just in their own right, but on behalf of everyone else there, and as representatives of our nation. That alone makes it a big deal.

Way to go, guys. *golf clap*

[oasis]

47. +1000nt

[lagomorph777]

45. He jeopardized Zelenskyy's life when he voted against the first impeachment.

This would have gone so differently if Pukes hadn't endorsed Trump's treason.

[Nevilledog]

48. He's a big hit on Russian state TV

Link to tweet