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Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(107,939 posts)
Sun Mar 6, 2022, 04:54 PM Mar 2022

John Eastman Loses Bid To Hold Up Records He Warns Could Convict Trump

The right-wing attorney who authored “coup memos” for Donald Trump and supporters on how to scuttle the presidential election lost a court battle Friday to hold back his documents from the House select committee investigating last year’s Jan. 6 insurrection.

Lawyer John Eastman claimed the situation had turned him into a “pseudo-defense attorney for the former president” — so the emails are thereby protected by attorney-client privilege.

Eastman warned in his civil suit that granting the committee access to his emails involving the former president could amount to a historic legal finding that Trump may have committed a crime while he was a sitting president.

“Were this Court to sustain the defendants’ claims, it may be the first formal finding of Presidential criminality by a federal court in United States history,” Eastman wrote in his suit seeking to hold up access to his records.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/coup-memo-lawyer-loses-bid-042836055.html

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John Eastman Loses Bid To Hold Up Records He Warns Could Convict Trump (Original Post) Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Mar 2022 OP
There is no pseudo-attorney-client privilege. Walleye Mar 2022 #1
also no retroactive privilege...... getagrip_already Mar 2022 #4
The former guy... Lucky Luciano Mar 2022 #28
There IS pseudo-attorney-client privilege Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2022 #13
Did he go to pseudo law school or pass the pseudo bar exam Walleye Mar 2022 #14
Well, anyway, tRump is a pseudo-client because he doesn't pay his bills. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2022 #15
Correct, I forgot about that Walleye Mar 2022 #19
he meant psycho attorney/psycho client privilege... agingdem Mar 2022 #17
They were all so sure their crimes would be pardoned in trumps second term Walleye Mar 2022 #30
To establish the pseudo-attorney-client privilege, you have to pay in crypto-currency. tclambert Mar 2022 #27
😂 Walleye Mar 2022 #29
So, How Many More Times Can He Appeal? SoCalDavidS Mar 2022 #2
We're SHOCKED that a pseudo attorney couldn't claim privilege and a judge would rule that Karadeniz Mar 2022 #3
Smoking gun privilege lame54 Mar 2022 #5
Why would an attorney include such a statement? intrepidity Mar 2022 #6
I was wondering, too. Is that supposed to be a bad thing? Shrike47 Mar 2022 #12
It could be virtue signalling to court: "I gotta try to protect my client but I don't want to try Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2022 #18
TFG and Eastman have been winging this all along. LastDemocratInSC Mar 2022 #20
Alternatively, does it mean he hasn't the brains God gave geese? Maeve Mar 2022 #21
Oh well on to the next bullsht stretch-it-out lawsuit or appeal or whatever Fullduplexxx Mar 2022 #7
What a ridiculous, asinine argument, MarineCombatEngineer Mar 2022 #8
Eastman is a really bad attorney LetMyPeopleVote Mar 2022 #9
Ok, so he has protected his law license with his appeal, Chainfire Mar 2022 #10
Signal Flare To Trump Beetwasher. Mar 2022 #11
Do you think this was his way to alert TFG? intrepidity Mar 2022 #22
Maybe, Sending a Signal About What the Committee is About To Get Beetwasher. Mar 2022 #24
That's not as far fetched as it may sound. Disaffected Mar 2022 #25
Sounds pseudo-legit. Qutzupalotl Mar 2022 #16
D'uh. That Is The Point For Obtaining THe Records/ Me. Mar 2022 #23
"...it may be the first formal finding..." intrepidity Mar 2022 #26
Well, I'm all for sustaining the defendants' claims then. XacerbatedDem Mar 2022 #31

getagrip_already

(14,741 posts)
4. also no retroactive privilege......
Sun Mar 6, 2022, 05:04 PM
Mar 2022

If he wasn't tfg's atty at the time the communications took place, he can't claim they were privileged much later on, when he still has no status as tfg's atty..

Lucky Luciano

(11,253 posts)
28. The former guy...
Sun Mar 6, 2022, 08:15 PM
Mar 2022

In reading your comment, I decided that I will mentally refer to TFG as “that fucking guy.”

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,000 posts)
13. There IS pseudo-attorney-client privilege
Sun Mar 6, 2022, 05:16 PM
Mar 2022

It is the made-up relationship that any lawyer in the tRump debacle grabs onto in a desperate hope to slip away.

"pseudo" is the key word here. A synonym for "fake".

Walleye

(31,016 posts)
19. Correct, I forgot about that
Sun Mar 6, 2022, 05:26 PM
Mar 2022
I remember in Perry Mason he always make them pay a retainer so he could officially be their attorney

agingdem

(7,849 posts)
17. he meant psycho attorney/psycho client privilege...
Sun Mar 6, 2022, 05:23 PM
Mar 2022

Eastman is screwed and he knows it...talk about "hoist with one's own petard"!!!

SoCalDavidS

(9,998 posts)
2. So, How Many More Times Can He Appeal?
Sun Mar 6, 2022, 05:02 PM
Mar 2022

I'm finally able to comprehend that when these Assholes lose court cases, it means little, because they simply appeal, and kick the can down the road for a few more months. And they seem to like appealing all the way to the Supreme Court these days, because, why not?

So rather than ask a stupid question like, "when will he be turning those records over," I have to ask, how many more courts will have to hear this case before there's even a chance the records will be given up?

Karadeniz

(22,511 posts)
3. We're SHOCKED that a pseudo attorney couldn't claim privilege and a judge would rule that
Sun Mar 6, 2022, 05:03 PM
Mar 2022

incriminating evidence can not be suppressed. What is this world coming to?

intrepidity

(7,294 posts)
6. Why would an attorney include such a statement?
Sun Mar 6, 2022, 05:06 PM
Mar 2022
“Were this Court to sustain the defendants’ claims, it may be the first formal finding of Presidential criminality by a federal court in United States history,” Eastman wrote in his suit seeking to hold up access to his records.

Did he think saying that would actually be *helpful* to his case? Or does he secretly (openly?) hate TFG?

Or am I misreading something?

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,000 posts)
18. It could be virtue signalling to court: "I gotta try to protect my client but I don't want to try
Sun Mar 6, 2022, 05:24 PM
Mar 2022

"I gotta try to protect my pseudo-client and make him think I'm protecting him but I don't want to try too hard, because you really need to see this shit."

LastDemocratInSC

(3,647 posts)
20. TFG and Eastman have been winging this all along.
Sun Mar 6, 2022, 05:27 PM
Mar 2022

Their plans had no legal or common sense basis and the statement you highlighted shows that they have backed themselves into a corner where their only moves now are a collection of compounded absurdities.

It's the same as when my grandson and I would play games together when he was quite young - he didn't like losing and when things went bad for him he would start making up new rules to advantage himself.

MarineCombatEngineer

(12,369 posts)
8. What a ridiculous, asinine argument,
Sun Mar 6, 2022, 05:08 PM
Mar 2022

he's basically saying that because the e-mails would probably confirm that the Mango Menace committed crimes while in office, they shouldn't be released for fear of prosecution.

Chainfire

(17,532 posts)
10. Ok, so he has protected his law license with his appeal,
Sun Mar 6, 2022, 05:10 PM
Mar 2022

not it is time, in legal terminology, to spill his guts about the crimes Trump "May Have" committed.

Beetwasher.

(2,970 posts)
11. Signal Flare To Trump
Sun Mar 6, 2022, 05:11 PM
Mar 2022

“Were this Court to sustain the defendants’ claims, it may be the first formal finding of Presidential criminality by a federal court in United States history,” Eastman wrote in his suit seeking to hold up access to his records.

intrepidity

(7,294 posts)
22. Do you think this was his way to alert TFG?
Sun Mar 6, 2022, 05:45 PM
Mar 2022

Next thing is for TFG to use it as his next campaign slogan: "Vote for me, or else I may go to prison!"

Disaffected

(4,554 posts)
25. That's not as far fetched as it may sound.
Sun Mar 6, 2022, 05:57 PM
Mar 2022

or "You don't want your Favorite President going to jail do you??"

A lot of MAGATs would buy it....

Me.

(35,454 posts)
23. D'uh. That Is The Point For Obtaining THe Records/
Sun Mar 6, 2022, 05:53 PM
Mar 2022

“Were this Court to sustain the defendants’ claims, it may be the first formal finding of Presidential criminality by a federal court in United States history,” Eastman wrote in his suit seeking to hold up access to his records"

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