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boston bean

(36,219 posts)
Mon Mar 7, 2022, 12:04 AM Mar 2022

It feels like Ukraine is Buffer Fodder

No matter how I look at this, our refusal to stop the slaughter of Ukrainian citizens militarily is a moral failure. And a threat to our national security.

I know, I know, WW3. We can’t this and we can’t that. But we will do sanctions and send weapons and intelligence. All the while they are bombed to bits. We could stop it. We won’t, because we fear an escalation from the russian madman who has nukes.

If you were a Ukrainian how would you be feeling about the US? They are being slaughtered from the air. Putin doesn’t need a fricken functional convoy to kill them and destroy their country. And we are “helpless” to stop it for so many reasons, say many people for reasons I understand but do not accept.

We have let Putin get by for 10 years with a hella lot. Did nothing cause they have nukes. He didn’t stop. He became more emboldened.

If he steps one foot on NATO well, then we do something people say. We are willing to accept the consequence. Why are we only willing then to do something. What good does an obliterated Ukraine do for anyone?

Do you think we will not be dragged in at some point? Do you actually think this man stops?

Yeah I’m not an expert. I am, however, a human being though with a heart and a brain.

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It feels like Ukraine is Buffer Fodder (Original Post) boston bean Mar 2022 OP
I think Putin is determined to drag us into it. He wants to be able to claim we attacked first Walleye Mar 2022 #1
Dead on. We need to go in. denbot Mar 2022 #2
I am feeling the same. We are watching Hitler 2.0. onecaliberal Mar 2022 #3
Hitler didn't have Mr.Bill Mar 2022 #8
Putrid will be killing himself if he does that and he knows it. Our intel says he won't use them onecaliberal Mar 2022 #15
Agreed Calculating Mar 2022 #4
I'm not an expert either, bb. brer cat Mar 2022 #5
Biden has a hell of a lot more experience in these matters than any of us. Mr.Bill Mar 2022 #9
☝️☝️☝️ PortTack Mar 2022 #12
Get it, but still conflicted. Hoyt Mar 2022 #6
A month ago I never would have supported going in. Changed my mind. Tomconroy Mar 2022 #7
I know two Ukrainians qazplm135 Mar 2022 #10
No left-of-center2012 Mar 2022 #11
The phrase is 'cannon fodder'. Voltaire2 Mar 2022 #13
If we go in I'd expect all of Ukraine to be decimated first. herding cats Mar 2022 #14
Legitimate fear of a Russian mad man with nukes JCMach1 Mar 2022 #16

Calculating

(2,955 posts)
4. Agreed
Mon Mar 7, 2022, 12:25 AM
Mar 2022

Appeasing Hitler 2 isn't gonna help, it just emboldens him and now he knows that all he has to do is threaten nukes and nobody will stop him. Might as well just give him Europe.

brer cat

(24,525 posts)
5. I'm not an expert either, bb.
Mon Mar 7, 2022, 12:47 AM
Mar 2022

I have a lot of faith in Biden, but this slaughter of Ukrainians is killing my soul and I'm afraid it is killing our national soul.

Mr.Bill

(24,253 posts)
9. Biden has a hell of a lot more experience in these matters than any of us.
Mon Mar 7, 2022, 01:33 AM
Mar 2022

The best thing we have going for us is the people running things in the White House right now. I am confident he is doing the right thing.

PortTack

(32,716 posts)
12. ☝️☝️☝️
Mon Mar 7, 2022, 06:22 AM
Mar 2022

Painful as it is, we are talking about a death toll in the thousands versus possibly in the millions. I don’t believe for a moment it’s pooties threats that keep us from acting. This is about containing the damage.

And we cannot act unilaterally without NATO! Talk about crazy.

In war there are no good outcomes...

Voltaire2

(12,965 posts)
13. The phrase is 'cannon fodder'.
Mon Mar 7, 2022, 06:56 AM
Mar 2022

Estimated deaths from a US Russia nuclear exchange start at around 150,000,000 immediate deaths.

So if you want some cannon fodder, that would be us.

herding cats

(19,558 posts)
14. If we go in I'd expect all of Ukraine to be decimated first.
Mon Mar 7, 2022, 07:07 AM
Mar 2022

That would be the first play by Putin. I'm not afraid of him nuking the world, but I do think he's got plans to completely destroy Ukraine, Moldova and the better part of Romania before we stop him. Serious damage to life in Poland as well before he's stopped.

Then, of course there will be the loss of life from all the NATO members as we fight Russia.

He's just that evil.

For what it's worth, I expect this outcome. It's what Putin is attempting and feels like it still may happen. He's saving his military hoping for an escalation he can use as his glory moment. His opus.

I don't think he's looking for a nuclear war, but rather a slaughter of as many NATO nations in an all out end game of his regime. The nuclear bluster is bullshit, the same as how sanctions, military aid, etc. is an act of war. He's trying so very hard to escalate this beyond Ukraine. His message is, he wants more. He's just not getting it yet.

On edit: I'm not an expert. I'm not a geopolitical professional and I'm not playing one on the internet. All opinions are my own.

JCMach1

(27,553 posts)
16. Legitimate fear of a Russian mad man with nukes
Mon Mar 7, 2022, 12:32 PM
Mar 2022

We can and should do more, but that's a big NO for direct action.

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