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LONDON, March 7. /TASS/. Russia is demanding that Ukraine halt its military activity, enshrine neutrality in its Constitution, acknowledge Crimea as Russian territory and recognize independence of the Donetsk and Lugansk Peoples Republics, Kremlin Spokesman Dmitry Peskov said in an interview with Reuters news agency on Monday.
Russia is ready to halt its military operation "in any moment" if Kiev meets its demands, Peskov emphasized.
"They should make amendments to their constitution according to which Ukraine would reject any aims to enter any bloc. We have also spoken about how they should recognize that Crimea is Russian territory and that they need to recognize that Donetsk and Lugansk are independent states. And thats it. It will stop in a moment," Peskov told Reuters.
"And they [the Ukrainian side] were told that all this can be stopped in a moment," the Kremlin press secretary added.
Scrivener7
(50,949 posts)it did for the negotiated ceasefire. And B) Russia doesn't get to dictate Ukraine's constitution or alliances. And C) Donetsk and Lugansk are parts of Ukraine and Russia waving a stick does not change that.
orwell
(7,771 posts)"Ze beatings will not stop until morale improves!"
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PatSeg
(47,399 posts)Celerity
(43,317 posts)JoanofArgh
(14,971 posts)Irish_Dem
(46,918 posts)And I assume no democracy there.
JoanofArgh
(14,971 posts)probably just disappear one day. Theyd get rid of hm somehow. Plus, Ukrainians will never sign a constitutional amendment to not join NATO. Its stupid.
Irish_Dem
(46,918 posts)So he will be killed or disappear.
Putin may keep Zelensky alive for awhile in order to humiliate him and make him grovel. He would love to rip away Zelensky's hero status.
Walleye
(31,008 posts)Putin is not negotiating in good faith. There is no obligation to stick with any commitments made at the point of a missile
Wicked Blue
(5,831 posts)so why should Ukraine?
Walleye
(31,008 posts)Tomconroy
(7,611 posts)The reality was Crimea and the two provinces (borders yet to be determined though) were under Russian control before the invasion and Ukraine wasn't about to join NATO.
It's a start.
Ukraine really wants to join the EU.
MarineCombatEngineer
(12,363 posts)Do you honestly believe that Putin will keep his word on this?
He's done nothing but lie so far, so I'm calling bullshit on his surrender terms, because that's what he's proposing, a surrender.
He's desperate, his vaunted military is turning out to be a joke, the sanctions are really starting to bite, the Russian people are stirring, Russian mothers are starting to question why their sons are dying, etc.
Nope, it should be rejected outright, he's trying to buy time to resupply and reorganize and then he'll press on despite this so-called proposal.
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)I thought your OP was meant to point out how outrageous and crazy Putin's demands are.
Sheesh.
Gore1FL
(21,127 posts)It's stupidly lopsided in their favor, especially considering they are effectively losing.
Wingus Dingus
(8,052 posts)except Ukraine needs to be part of the EU. They may not need NATO, we can supply them with everything, they're certainly bad-ass enough to defend themselves. They can be like the Israel of Eastern Europe.
MarineCombatEngineer
(12,363 posts)it's a demand to surrender and should and probably will be rejected outright.
There is zero reason to trust that Putin would keep his word on this.
Wingus Dingus
(8,052 posts)not named Belarus and Russia involved to help broker it and create a security guarantee. If I were doing it, Russia would get the disputed regions IF they win a referendum, because they are a constant pretext for Russia meddling into Ukraine's affairs--Ukraine may not be as attached to them as people think. Crimea is gone and will stay gone. Ukraine will not join NATO for "x" number of years, in which time they can have one of the biggest and best-funded and trained militaries the free world can give them. Russia must respect the borders, their sovereignty, must respect and recognize Ukraine's elected government, and Ukraine can join any economic partnership it wishes. That's how I would do it.
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)Wingus Dingus
(8,052 posts)at some point it will have to take shape.
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)Crunchy Frog
(26,579 posts)Their word here is no more meaningful than it was with the ceasefire or with the Budapest Memorandum.
Putin's intention is to restore "Greater Russia" by "reunifying" with all of Ukraine.
Scrivener7
(50,949 posts)an attack much longer.
It will be interesting to see what Ukraine thinks of it. I hope they are not duped again like with the ceasefire corridor.
TomSlick
(11,097 posts)If Zelensky agreed, he would be executed by his own people as a traitor.
secondwind
(16,903 posts)Lets steamroll over them NOW, we may win this war yet!!!!!
BeyondGeography
(39,369 posts)Theyre also losing, economically, politically and even militarily. They will never control Ukraine.
On the flip side, they are cornered rats with nukes.
We need to impose permanent damage on Putin. He can not be allowed to claim victory. The eastern republics are a total non-starter IMO.
Finer minds can figure this out.
JoanofArgh
(14,971 posts)msfiddlestix
(7,278 posts)Tomconroy
(7,611 posts)Continues? Cities reduced to rubble and starvation?
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)Is that what's got you worried?
Tomconroy
(7,611 posts)Slaughtered?
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)You seem to want this more than the citizens of Ukraine do.
Care to explain why?
MarineCombatEngineer
(12,363 posts)when the Ukrainian people are fighting so hard and have given no indication that they prefer to surrender than fight?
Tomconroy
(7,611 posts)MarineCombatEngineer
(12,363 posts)Answer a question with a question.
Again, why are you so intent on pushing the Ukrainians to surrender when the Ukrainian military, along with the good people of Ukraine, have shown no inclination to surrender and are still fighting?
Gore1FL
(21,127 posts)A Ukrainian surrender at this point is not going to happen. This is what that deal amounts to.
Wingus Dingus
(8,052 posts)Ukraine in the end will be seen as having won, even if the disputed areas are taken away (and all they did was serve as an excuse for Russia to meddle and invade anyway).
COL Mustard
(5,897 posts)Hey Russia, Idi Na Khui (Sit on a dick)!
blogslug
(37,999 posts)C_U_L8R
(44,998 posts)Elwood P Dowd
(11,443 posts)Chainfire
(17,530 posts)Yea, that.
The Ukrainians should reply, "The only terms that we will accept is unconditional surrender."
Floyd R. Turbo
(26,546 posts)Happy Hoosier
(7,285 posts).... before resuming the offensive.
Don't trust them. Don't give up an inch. An especially don't give the right to join NATO unless you just want to do this again in a few years.
ForgedCrank
(1,779 posts)take on things as well, or at least it looks that way as of right now.
At least on the surface, it appears that the Russian operation has been a logistics failure up to this point more than anything, but time will allow them to correct that.
Anyone who has ever trusted Putin has lived to regret it in one way or another.
Happy Hoosier
(7,285 posts)peggysue2
(10,828 posts)They're not only getting their asses kicked but the continuing sanctions will bring about an economic collapse, more Russians in the streets and many more elites screeching about Putin's folly. This is all about holding onto power.
And no, the man cannot be trusted on anything. He thought he was going to roll over the Ukrainians and the Western Alliance would step aside while he did it. That did not happen.
Don't give this bastard an inch because if the Ukrainians do, Putin will be back to finish the job he couldn't complete this time. The West needs to ramp up support and run this man back to the Kremlin.
We all have a stake in the outcome. The decision, of course, is for the Ukrainians to make; it's their blood being spilled.
MarineCombatEngineer
(12,363 posts)lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)MarineCombatEngineer
(12,363 posts)Ilsa
(61,694 posts)become part of Ukraine, Belarus, Latvia, and Estonia, and give Uk access to the Gulf of Finland. Russia must leave Crimea, Georgia, etc.
nycbos
(6,034 posts)The Ukrainian people should get to decide if they want to join the EU or NATO etc. Not Russia.
This sounds awfuly like a Munich agreeement to me.
Tomconroy
(7,611 posts)MarineCombatEngineer
(12,363 posts)otherwise, it's bullshit because there is no way Putin will keep his word and I've gotta wonder why you keep on pushing this surrender proposal from Putin.
Tomconroy
(7,611 posts)It ended with a deal. They withdraw missiles from Cuba and we withdraw missiles from Turkey
A negotiated deal.
MarineCombatEngineer
(12,363 posts)I was in High School, but that's irrelevant, the Soviet Union didn't invade Cuba, so there's no comparison.
Again, why are you pushing so hard for this surrender proposal from Putin when the Ukrainians have given zero indication of surrendering?
What's your motive here?
Tomconroy
(7,611 posts)To intervene I think my motives are pretty good.
My motive is to stop the slaughter. Your motive is apparently to fight to the last Ukranian.
MarineCombatEngineer
(12,363 posts)it's the Ukrainians motive.
Tomconroy
(7,611 posts)cease fire and enhanced sanctions?
MarineCombatEngineer
(12,363 posts)Aye matey, we've reached an accord.
Tomconroy
(7,611 posts)One step at a time. But in negotiations everyone needs ato be willing to compromise some
Gore1FL
(21,127 posts)Tomconroy
(7,611 posts)MarineCombatEngineer
(12,363 posts)that was before Putin's illegal invasion, notice I bolded the word illegal, that's all off the table now.
I can't seem to fathom why you want the Ukrainians to surrender when the Ukrainians themselves don't want to surrender.
Tomconroy
(7,611 posts)I assume, unlike me, you aren't willing to commit US forces
MarineCombatEngineer
(12,363 posts)you know, the people whose country Putin illegally invaded.
Ever been in combat? Ever seen the horrors of war?
That's why I'm opposed to committing US forces unless Russian forces step one boot on NATO soil.
Tomconroy
(7,611 posts)lpbk2713
(42,753 posts)But they have to do a lot better than that.
Happy Hoosier
(7,285 posts)Im not sure how useful it is. I hope its driven by Putins fear tgat he cannot achieve his military objectives.
Lettuce Be
(2,336 posts)myohmy2
(3,162 posts)...I don't think I would trust or believe Adolph Putin killer of Slavs and destroyer of cities...
...he's an evil dictator, a chronic liar and a friend of trump...
"...all this can be stopped in a moment," the Kremlin press secretary added."
...well then, that's different as long as the Kremlin press secretary says so...
...
DFW
(54,349 posts)"Be the first one on your block to have your boy come home in a box"
Thunderbeast
(3,406 posts)1. Russia leaves ALL of Ukraine (including Crimea and eastern provinces) immediately.
2. Kaliningrad is ceded Poland, Lithuania or both.
3. Russia agrees to pay $1 Trillion in reparation in gold.
4. Russia, Moldova and Belarus to maintain a 300 km DMZ around Ukraine borders.
5. Elections supervised by international observers to be held in a re-constituted Belarus.
6. Ukraine stops shooting Russian troops as they withdraw...without their weapons, tanks, APCs, etc.
I think this is a reasonable proposal. Let the Russian generals deal with their disgraced leader.
tblue37
(65,334 posts)them and say, "I'm a scorpion. You know it is my nature to sting!"
Or, in another version of the story, "You knew I was a snake before you took me in."
radius777
(3,635 posts)they cannot be trusted for other things. Also the terms are shit. Russia needs to leave all of the countries they've invaded and compromised (Ukraine, Georgia, Moldova, Belarus).
Start with humanitarian corridors and ceasefire on civiliian populations. If Russia keeps its word, Ukraine could easily keep fighting with weapons/supplies from the West and keep Russia bogged down for years until they cry uncle.
Russia/Putin has to be defeated now in Ukraine. If Russia takes Ukraine, there is a possibility Putin would get further delusions of grandeur and think he could strike a NATO country (ie, Baltics) which could trigger WWIII.