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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsBefore you dismiss the People's Convoy as a joke, read Terry Bouton's Twitter thread
Some of us have been joking about the People's Convoy, but it would be a mistake to move on and not pay attention to what was happening on the ground. To make a long story short, this was, among other things, a recruiting and mainstreaming effort. People join in causes, no matter how odious, for a sense of community and purpose. We need to be thinking about how that works, how to counter attempts to soften the image of the right wing, and especially how we proceed to bring people together for the protection of voting rights and democracy itself.
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walkingman
(7,606 posts)CBHagman
(16,984 posts)...and for those reasons we have to learn about them, counter what they do, and, most important, reach people who are confused about what's going on and those who aren't confused at all but are uninvolved.
Blues Heron
(5,931 posts)Spare us the concern
CaptainTruth
(6,589 posts)They end up this way because of Reich-wing messaging, propaganda.
The only way to change that is to "deprogram" them with effective counter-messaging.
CBHagman
(16,984 posts)For the midterms and beyond we are going to need to reach as many people as possible and get them fired up.
Justice matters.
(6,928 posts)No need to "counter" what they do. They are losers like him.
Caliman73
(11,736 posts)They were around before Hitler "joined". In the 20's. They never won any elections.
Even at the height of their power, before they took over, they never represented more than a 3rd of the actual electorate.
They got their power when mainstream conservative parties, pushed the agenda in hopes of regaining power after the Liberal Democratic parties gained power in the Weimar Republic.
While I would not put them at that level yet, they are a small part of a larger extreme right wing movement, that already saw a person sympathetic to their ideas, elected president.
They are funded by wealthy people who are patient enough to play a long game to achieve their goals.
We absolutely need to counter their ideas. We need to be out there showing how progressive ideas actually help everyone.
llashram
(6,265 posts)what resides in their racist wicked hearts. We have been fighting their attempts to turn our democracy into trump-putin's fascist state. More than likely a majority tried to OVERTHROW our form of government to install a dictator on 1-6-21. They are domestic terrorists. They hate Middle Easterners, Mexicans and any non-white skin from that central and S. American area and they hate and FEAR African-Americans. They are not"confused" they are hateful wretches. If any RW country would have those who voted for trump let them leave if they don't like it here. TO HELL WITH THEM!!!
CBHagman
(16,984 posts)I'm not defending what they did or saying it makes sense. I am saying we need to reach people.
llashram
(6,265 posts)and some people 60 million who voted for the idiot child in '16. Maybe just maybe you will reach the few who switched parties after President Obama, but they are far and few between in those 60millions jerks who want a return to total white supremacy. You know the kind that will be. Demand you, a POC, get off the sidewalk till they pass type people.. Like I say I won't waste my time trying to save the soul of a racist. I damn their souls...
Demsrule86
(68,556 posts)is all just a bunch of nonsense...and they are just trying to cause trouble for the rest of us...can't stand them. They don't even know what they are protesting...just wasting gas and making people who live where these losers go lives more difficult. These are selfish people who are completely clueless.
CBHagman
(16,984 posts)Terry Bouton
@TerryBoutonHist
Nicole Cook
@_Noelle_Cook
mucifer
(23,537 posts)brainwashed.
Truly frightening
PortTack
(32,762 posts)Younger Americans are less likely to identify as Republican than older Americans, with those under 30 voting for Biden last year by a 24-point margin, according to validated voter data from Pew Research Center, compared with the four-point margin by which those 65 and over preferred President Donald Trump.
More at the link
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/09/23/rights-young-voter-problem/
mucifer
(23,537 posts)doc03
(35,328 posts)dangerous than the Tea Party. We are still suffering from the damage the Tea Party made.
CBHagman
(16,984 posts)...coverage it didn't give to progressives.
Remember the summer of 2009, when people went and disrupted lawmakers' meetings with constituents. The hysteria was about the notion of changing health care laws. They're still using that, though they (and the GOP specifically) have no alternative. We still have to take that seriously.
And yes, we have paid a horrendous price for the tea party.
doc03
(35,328 posts)controlled that seat and all our local positions for decades. Since then our Congressman and all local offices are controlled by Republicans. We have no elected Democrats in this county. Mostly over NAFTA which the Republicans supported but Clinton got the blame.
Arazi
(6,829 posts)Manifests itself here too on a regular basis.
Republicans never repudiated the Tea Party members - still dont repudiate even more extreme successors like MTG, Boebert, Cawthorne etc.
Democrats however ferociously attack AOC (for example) if she dares to even meet with progressives in her own district, or advocates for progressive ideas like student loan forgiveness. God forbid shes invited on tv - then shes grandstanding or undercutting the Dem message or some other horseshit attack.
Cha
(297,184 posts)and I Stand With him on Democratic Underground.. & those who are trying to Actually help America with his Agenda like Passing The Infrastructure Bill.
Like the CBC and Shontel Brown..
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That's Progress!
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Demsrule86
(68,556 posts)elections.
PatSeg
(47,419 posts)keeps getting more extreme and their political candidates more outrageous and dangerous. Is this all coming to a head, or is there something far worse waiting in the wings? Truly horrifying.
Midnight Writer
(21,753 posts)There are some very rich sociopaths who are using sophisticated influencing techniques to target people with particular predispositions.
MarcA
(2,195 posts)Reagan - Wallace - Goldwater - States Rights. It keeps re-inventing
the same anti-democratic,oligarchic policies over and over with a
helping of racism and misogyny.
Blues Heron
(5,931 posts)The last of a dying breed - the American Antivax Karen
efhmc
(14,725 posts)Why?
Blues Heron
(5,931 posts)In case you didnt know.
efhmc
(14,725 posts)Blues Heron
(5,931 posts)But if it makes you happy Ill just call them total fucking pieces of shit instead. Lol
brush
(53,772 posts)the society can offer to any one demographic. The nation has been set up since inception for their benefit, before Blacks, Browns, women et al and if they're too stupid to see that's, it's on them.
Stop complaining, stop copying Canadian truckers, go the fuck home and do your job.
Trucking companies are desperate for drivers.
PatSeg
(47,419 posts)is really pathetic.
we can do it
(12,184 posts)Justice matters.
(6,928 posts)These losers are leaches. No offense to real leaches.
allegorical oracle
(2,357 posts)truckers to move that backload of containers sitting at U. S. ports. Maybe they could watch a few hours of coverage about what the Ukraines are going through and be thankful for what they have.
Blues Heron
(5,931 posts)because its a trap. And add in that they are protesting non-existent mandates (that saved lives when they were in place)
Total joke
doc03
(35,328 posts)these nationwide this campaign season.
Blues Heron
(5,931 posts)Most Karens end up going away in shame, or get busted and hauled away by the cops.
wnylib
(21,438 posts)This is a RW rally for a RW movement with RW goals.
I remember when people thought the Tea Party was just a joke. Then they took over Congress.
Blues Heron
(5,931 posts)These Karens don't even know why they are out there driving - whats to be afraid of- that they might roll coal?
I'd be afraid if I was on a bicycle that they would try to run me over, but that's about it as far as how scary these nasty trolls are.
Anyway your concern is noted.
Hugin
(33,135 posts)As the second to last tweet clearly illustrates.
A bunch of leased trucks in search of a cause. Nobody in attendance paid any significant amount for the show. As always, follow the money to find out what the real agenda is aiming for.
Wicked Blue
(5,832 posts)Gas prices are high, and these trucks guzzle gas.
If I might put on my slightly paranoid hat for a moment, I wonder if this convention of nutjobs was indirectly bankrolled by oligarchs. Intended to make a small irritant and distraction to the U.S. during the Ukraine invasion?
Also some kind of smoke and mirrors game to distract from other things they are doing to mess with the mid-term elections?
Girard442
(6,070 posts)Those truck tractors are very expensive investments that are generating zero revenue while guzzling fuel. The $$$ making this all possible are coming from some very dark sources. Doesn't work to cry "Freedom" while a Putin crony picks up your expenses.
Maraya1969
(22,479 posts)spanone
(135,829 posts)KS Toronado
(17,214 posts)they were showing their true colors, you know the ugly ones.
spanone
(135,829 posts)RAB910
(3,501 posts)who don't deserve the attention they are getting
gab13by13
(21,321 posts)I'm not clicking on any more of this trucker nonsense.
rockfordfile
(8,702 posts)bucolic_frolic
(43,146 posts)Let's see if they pass the freedom and patriotism test
oldsoftie
(12,533 posts)lame54
(35,287 posts)czarjak
(11,269 posts)Freethinker65
(10,016 posts)ecstatic
(32,699 posts)They seem to be leaderless and without a specific focus now that the pandemic is fading. Hopefully law enforcement and others are keeping track of the situation, especially monitoring who, if anyone, steps into their leadership void.
Johonny
(20,841 posts)Win or lose, these people are projected as "real" Americans, and the heart of America. Frankly, it's time to ignore these people and focus on the 70-80 % of us and what we want and think. I know what these people are like already. They've been covered for 60-70 years now.
MarcA
(2,195 posts)BradBo
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would beat the shit out of every black person there if they had a chance, then tell all the women to go make them a sandwich.
The anti-vaxcers are just ignorant, poorly educated Americans that will never listen to facts.
And the rest are just taking a break from watching NASCAR and yelling Lets Go Brandon!.
blueinredohio
(6,797 posts)So we can let sane people know not to buy any of that musiic.
TimeToGo
(1,366 posts)There is either some groups with money behind this or (and/or) there are way too many stupid people in this country.
Greybnk48
(10,168 posts)Fuck all of them. They want the "freedom" to carve out groups of Americans and persecute them, like blacks, Jews, and LGBTQ, and often, women in general. They want the "freedom" to censor and burn books, and ram their twisted, and deformed brand of Christianity down everyone's throats. Force it on us like the Taliban. Fuck them.
They need to be driven back under ground like they have been in the past. They need to be treated like the aberration they are. They're the descendants of traitors, and are themselves traitors to everything this country was created to stand for. They burn the books and alter history in an attempt to hide this fucking fact.
They get a much stronger voice than they should, and always have and are treated with kid gloves it seems. Their cults and compounds and crazy shit has been a part of American life as long as I can remember. Fuck them. We need to stop allowing these fuckheads to divide our country. How? I don't know. But punishing them for breaking the law and vandalism like we would anyone else would be a great start.
How about we treat them like we treat Americans who protest the wars? Clear them out with armed National Guardsmen (Nixon). Lock them up for months (Nixon). Bring in water tankers filled with pepper spray and spray them in the face until they go home (Dubya). Arrest them (Dubya). But DON'T treat them like they have something "important" to say, or concern troll us that "we better listen" to these racist scum. They have nothing important to say.
Rant over.
FSogol
(45,481 posts)TheBlackAdder
(28,189 posts)birdographer
(1,325 posts)Wait, I thought we ate babies? Doesn't one cancel out the other, over time? I would say a good 10% of these idiots don't believe that. If only they would consider that it is all bullshit. I wonder if sane truckers are embarrassed by these clowns?
Aviation Pro
(12,164 posts)And can spend their time practicing their bullshit.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)descriptions here AT ALL and feel grave injustice was being done to them. They'd think those who posted them were delusional and batshit crazy.
We know that most of them are sure they're patriotic Americans who are serving their country by demonstrating for a righteous cause. The civic engagement, and the way most of this group have carried it out so far, are admirable.
Maybe we should be on the overpasses, but yelling warnings. Wrong way!
Yeah, I know. We could drop refrigerators on their heads without making a dent. With all their blessings and education to be filled with grievances and Fox lies, to participate in turning themselves into people who can be fooled all the time and weaponized against their nation...!
But just sayin': Those who aren't honest with themselves are those who can be fooled. Those who can be fooled AND who serve themselves up to social media (!) are at severe risk of being weaponized and turned on themselves.
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)The MAGA crowd is on the wrong side of history and they will not succeed in astroturfing claims to foundational ideals of a free democracy when they tried to overthrow ours and glorify Russia as a white nationalist ideal.
peggysue2
(10,828 posts)They thought they could control the anger and chaos; they were wrong. Now the hybrid is a mix of Q conspiracy and the Klan. They may make nice at the moment but no one should forget that this is the same contingent that attacked (or sympathized) with the January 6th attack on the Capitol.
When people show you who they are the first time? Believe it.
BlueIdaho
(13,582 posts)This is a small minority of Americans that generally fall into the QCrowd. They worship Putin and see him as a white christofascist savior. We should never disregard them, but we should also never give them power they do not possess.
Its a freak show.
RainCaster
(10,869 posts)This is how they try to make their hate filled ideology appear "normal". Do not beleive it for a minute. It's all about hate.
jmowreader
(50,557 posts)How does this differ from any other right-wing gathering?
We have to listen to what they want. No. What they want is a Christofascist dictatorship where only white men with extreme right-wing beliefs have any power. What they want is in no way acceptable in any civilized society, and that shit needs to be shut down immediately. Theres nowhere on Earth for what they want. Not here, not in Russia, not anywhere.
Jimvanhise
(301 posts)Within days the US will hit one million people dead from covid19 and they want to end pandemic restrictions and oppose vaccine mandates? Florida has half the population of California but just a few thousand short of the same number of people dead from covid. Why are they opposing restrictions again? The freedom to die in agony?
PoindexterOglethorpe
(25,852 posts)and make it to the polls to vote. Or mail in a ballot. And for each and every election, not just once every four years.
summer_in_TX
(2,735 posts)In the earliest primary in the nation, Texas had very good turnout from Dems more than 2018, but Republicans turned out in much greater numbers.
Trump convinced previous non-voters to start voting.
Now they are trying to overwhelm the ability for Dems to supposedly f*ck with their vote by sheer numbers.
Baitball Blogger
(46,703 posts)That's the true proof of organization.
Emile
(22,703 posts)KS Toronado
(17,214 posts)proves one fact about these idiots.......
THEY CARE ABOUT NOTHING OR ANYBODY ELSE IN THIS WORLD BUT THEIR FREE-DUMBS
IronLionZion
(45,433 posts)spread natural immunity to own the libs
maxsolomon
(33,327 posts)Tea Party 2.0, all based on fossil fuel wasting.
Mr. Scorpio
(73,631 posts)"Nothing to see here."
summer_in_TX
(2,735 posts)lonely bird
(1,685 posts)We are social creatures that seek to be part of various groups depending upon the situation. When circumstances cause doubt and especially fear many will gravitate to conspiracy theories that make them feel special and excited (actually, imo, depressed) because only they know the truth.
Parke Godwin wrote in Waiting for the Galactic Bus that the U.S. is as susceptible to charlatans as a dog is to fleas.
When you add in what I call the toxic theomythology of this country you can get an extremely combustible mixture.
These people are not kidding around. They are likely either unbalanced or on the verge of being unbalanced. That should not be taken lightly.
When humans are made to feel that their world of which they are the center is careening out of whatever real or imagined control they believe that they have then the possibility for violence escalates exponentially.
Wingus Dingus
(8,052 posts)waited in Dallas to see JFK reappear (QNuts) or whatever that was. I do dismiss them. There will always be fringe people and loonies. It's just a matter of whether or not they're violent.
we can do it
(12,184 posts)Ignore them.
Delphinus
(11,830 posts)I feel so sorry for the Black reporter - he had to have been scared. What were his bosses thinking?
FakeNoose
(32,634 posts)Maybe the photos were cherry-picked to exclude the Chumpers, I don't know. But it's very interesting that ChumpHumpers decided to leave their odious banners home. Makes you go ... Hmmmmm ....
JI7
(89,248 posts)or support they could get. But they are largely white people that don't like the countries becoming more diverse.
They want to go back to a certain time.
Their ignorance and stupidity should be highlighted though.
BadGimp
(4,015 posts)that was still a lot of stupid in one place