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Johnny2X2X

(19,062 posts)
Mon Mar 7, 2022, 10:20 AM Mar 2022

Ukrainian forces have retaken Mykolaiv airport

Lie most of the world, I have been shocked at how poorly the Russians are doing, if they've now lost another airport this could means Ukriane is going to win. Russian troops appear to be making little progress, all Russia is doing is shelling civilian areas. Until this weekend I thought it was just a matter of time, now I'm not so sure, Ukraine might just be winning this.


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Ukrainian forces have retaken Mykolaiv airport (Original Post) Johnny2X2X Mar 2022 OP
Ukrainians are aware that they are fighting for the future of the free world Walleye Mar 2022 #1
Putin is also fighting for a new world order, autocratic dominance. Irish_Dem Mar 2022 #2
But they are really trying to achieve their glorious past in Russia and China Walleye Mar 2022 #4
Yes Putin wants past glories, but he wants to be world dominant. Irish_Dem Mar 2022 #7
China must decide if it wants to throw in with these war criminals Walleye Mar 2022 #10
China signed an agreement with Russia before the war broke out. gab13by13 Mar 2022 #11
Exactly. They are are working together to achieve world dominance. Irish_Dem Mar 2022 #17
Looks like they may have hit a speed bump! The old saying still holds true, justhanginon Mar 2022 #37
Hilarious comment. I wish you could call Xi and tell him that. Irish_Dem Mar 2022 #40
China doesn't see Putin as a war criminal. Irish_Dem Mar 2022 #12
I think China plans a lot farther into the future than we do Walleye Mar 2022 #13
Oh yes, China is superb at the long game. Irish_Dem Mar 2022 #16
That's funny. We do have a short history but so many Americans are ignorant of it Walleye Mar 2022 #18
Yep we can't be bothered to learn 200 yrs of history. Irish_Dem Mar 2022 #19
"We"?..Speak for yourself. I know my history as does everyone whathehell Mar 2022 #21
China, North Korea And Iran Are Watching... PaulnFortWorth Mar 2022 #32
Exactly, they are watching and taking notes. Irish_Dem Mar 2022 #41
Neither do the Chinese want the world, anamnua Mar 2022 #42
Exactly. China does not want the world to be blown up. Irish_Dem Mar 2022 #43
The USSR is a failed state. Putin's plan to reunite mother Russia is a foley. PortTack Mar 2022 #23
I hope so. But right now he has the world over a barrel. Irish_Dem Mar 2022 #26
There are no good answers when it comes to war. We are all very aware of that PortTack Mar 2022 #29
Yes I agree, it is not about nuclear risk. Irish_Dem Mar 2022 #39
I agree with you, gab13by13 Mar 2022 #14
Yes exactly. The PutinGOP want an autocracy here in the US. Irish_Dem Mar 2022 #44
Actually, they already have begun that narrative. tblue37 Mar 2022 #51
K&R, I don't think people realize how effective the UKR military has been at counter offensive and uponit7771 Mar 2022 #3
Ukraine is hunting the generals now, with some fair success. lagomorph777 Mar 2022 #6
+1, and its because RA are using unencrypted commercial communications in UKR that the uponit7771 Mar 2022 #8
Yes. RU generals went to the front line to chew out the incompetent troops. Irish_Dem Mar 2022 #45
I wonder if any got fragged. lagomorph777 Mar 2022 #46
Good point. I think one general was particulary brutal and a bad guy. Irish_Dem Mar 2022 #48
Nobody wins a war like this. kentuck Mar 2022 #5
Tell that to the survivors that aren't enslaved by the Russians. Renew Deal Mar 2022 #9
Putin wants this war to damage president Biden, gab13by13 Mar 2022 #15
This isn't a war - this is an invasion VWolf Mar 2022 #28
War is for LOSERS PaulnFortWorth Mar 2022 #34
Between Russian incompetence, sanctions, and Ukrainian determination IronLionZion Mar 2022 #20
Hopeful news! pandr32 Mar 2022 #22
It is..so can we cheer them on instead of posting DOOM and GLOOM??!! PortTack Mar 2022 #25
Post removed Post removed Mar 2022 #24
Yeah, that's total BS, comrade! FSogol Mar 2022 #36
Ukrainians are absolutely winning this war Steven Maurer Mar 2022 #27
Absolutely they are winning PortTack Mar 2022 #31
Russian Oligarchs are given the military contracts based on who launders money the best. sarcasmo Mar 2022 #30
I guess Russia sure showed us! Wingus Dingus Mar 2022 #33
GREAT NEWS ! ! ! liberalla Mar 2022 #35
The 14 days are up on Thursday nuxvomica Mar 2022 #38
Putin will call his troops home and claim victory Johnny2X2X Mar 2022 #49
The original grim predictions were based upon Russian having a competent military. Irish_Dem Mar 2022 #47
Gratitude! Rt TY Cha Mar 2022 #50
Interesting. This is in the south where Russia has been dominating. nt Quixote1818 Mar 2022 #52

Walleye

(31,017 posts)
1. Ukrainians are aware that they are fighting for the future of the free world
Mon Mar 7, 2022, 10:24 AM
Mar 2022

Russians know they’re fighting for a lost cause to restore the past, which can never be done

Irish_Dem

(47,028 posts)
2. Putin is also fighting for a new world order, autocratic dominance.
Mon Mar 7, 2022, 10:28 AM
Mar 2022

Death to democracy.

China and Russia together both believe they can do this and emerge as the 21st century superpowers.

So there is a lot at stake on both sides.

Walleye

(31,017 posts)
4. But they are really trying to achieve their glorious past in Russia and China
Mon Mar 7, 2022, 10:33 AM
Mar 2022

As we have seen in this country, that is the formula for failure

Irish_Dem

(47,028 posts)
7. Yes Putin wants past glories, but he wants to be world dominant.
Mon Mar 7, 2022, 10:42 AM
Mar 2022

I am not sure about China wanting to restore old China. They have a 3,500 year written history. They have never been invaded with another culture replacing them.

They are an ancient civilization, with many contributions to the world. They know all of this and are very proud.

But I don't see them wanting to go backwards, they want to go forward.

The Chinese are not as sentimental or emotional as Putin is being.
They are much more pragmatic. I think the world response to Putin is giving them great pause and they are re-thinking their strategy. They probably realize Taiwan is off the table for the time being. Destroying the world's democracies may not be as easy as they hoped.

Walleye

(31,017 posts)
10. China must decide if it wants to throw in with these war criminals
Mon Mar 7, 2022, 10:45 AM
Mar 2022

I really don’t think they want to destroy their magnificent legacy by being another Putin puppet. Of course what they are going to do is a mystery. But I do believe they want economic power. Putin just wants to kill.

Irish_Dem

(47,028 posts)
17. Exactly. They are are working together to achieve world dominance.
Mon Mar 7, 2022, 11:31 AM
Mar 2022

The rise of authoritarian governments and decline of democracy.

justhanginon

(3,290 posts)
37. Looks like they may have hit a speed bump! The old saying still holds true,
Mon Mar 7, 2022, 01:49 PM
Mar 2022

Whether you are replacing a kitchen faucet or going for world domination, "nothing is ever as easy as it appears on the surface".
I can vouch for the first but haven't tried the world domination thing.

Irish_Dem

(47,028 posts)
40. Hilarious comment. I wish you could call Xi and tell him that.
Mon Mar 7, 2022, 04:09 PM
Mar 2022

"Hey Dude, putting in a new kitchen faucet or world domination, something always goes wrong."

Xi is a meticulous planner and strategic thinker. He is brilliant but I assume he did not foresee the reaction to Putin. He knew Putin was going to invade Ukraine and even asked him to wait until after the Olympics. Xi likes every thing perfectly planned.

I am sure the Taiwan invasion was next up.

The world reaction must have blown Xi's mind, and in fact he started scrambling to look at his possible liability in joint ventures with Russia.

Putin is acting too emotional right now, I don't know if can adapt and change course. But Xi mostly can.

I think the kitchen faucet rule of world domination is now etched in his brain.

Irish_Dem

(47,028 posts)
12. China doesn't see Putin as a war criminal.
Mon Mar 7, 2022, 11:06 AM
Mar 2022

Putin is only working on the long term plan they have for world dominance. They both believe they have a right to protect their borders, and get back land they feel was "taken" from them. China has been planning the same kind of invasion of Taiwan. And they want to intimidate the world and show off their power.

Xi and Putin share the exact same goal. Autocratic world world order and destruction of world democracies. So it makes sense they aligned.
Together they feel invincible. They have already greatly weakened western democracies. China has done a soft colonization of African and Latin America. Putin owns half the US congress and media.

Right now China probably sees Putin as creating a major PR problem for their plans. China likes making money and wants the world to buy what they sell. So the severe sanctions must be quite sobering to them.

It is safe to assume that this will not cause China to drop their long term goal of world dominance at all. But they will have to rethink their strategy in light of the world's reaction to Putin. They will adapt and move forward with their plans.

Walleye

(31,017 posts)
13. I think China plans a lot farther into the future than we do
Mon Mar 7, 2022, 11:08 AM
Mar 2022

Maybe because they have such an ancient civilization. 50 years isn’t such a long time to them

Irish_Dem

(47,028 posts)
16. Oh yes, China is superb at the long game.
Mon Mar 7, 2022, 11:30 AM
Mar 2022

Xi plans far into the future. But he is good at fast tracking things.

He took his country in two decades from abject poverty to a well nourished and cared for people. (They still live under ruthless authoritarian rule, but China has backed off the people to a large extent.)

So I think he will be able to adapt quickly to the Putin PR disaster and protect China from future sanctions. They may have to intertwine themselves more with the world's finances to the point sanctions would hurt everyone too much to use against China. You can almost see Xi's wheels turning on this one.

I also think they may distance themselves from Putin a bit in public. They are also worried about any financial loss due to Russian sanctions as they have business deals with Putin.

China's ancient history can manifest in comical ways. A Chinese immigrant neighbor here in the US had a nice looking pot she used as a nice planter for live plants.

I asked about it and she said it was a pot she had bought on her last trip to China. She said it was "only" about 200 years old. It is not uncommon to see what they consider to be relatively new pottery all over in shops which we would consider antiques.

She and her husband came to the US and got PhDs in American History from the University of Virginia. She said their major was a no-brainer because the US only has 200 years of history which they could learn easily.


whathehell

(29,067 posts)
21. "We"?..Speak for yourself. I know my history as does everyone
Mon Mar 7, 2022, 12:11 PM
Mar 2022

else I know.

I think what "we" need to do is to stop defining ourselves
by the worst of us..

PaulnFortWorth

(59 posts)
32. China, North Korea And Iran Are Watching...
Mon Mar 7, 2022, 01:05 PM
Mar 2022

to see how the world reacts. China wants to take Taiwan and will formulate a military campaign based on the outcome of Putin's invasion. When Russia collapses, Taiwan will remain free and independent, N. Korea will lose a major financial supporter and Iran will rethink their future where oil isn't the money maker it used to be.

The people of Belarus and Georgia are also watching. When Russia collapses the autocrat of Belarus will flee to Russia or be killed.

What other areas of Russia want to be free from Russia? It will soon be the time to rise up against Russian oppression.

The world will change drastically in the next two years.

Irish_Dem

(47,028 posts)
41. Exactly, they are watching and taking notes.
Mon Mar 7, 2022, 04:31 PM
Mar 2022

Xi for sure will adapt and make some mid course corrections.

Xi will now have to re-configure his battle strategy for Taiwan. But how can Xi go about a military campaign that will dodge sanctions?

Maybe he has a protective financial bubble around him? So much world commerce is tied up with China, sanctions on China may hurt other countries. Also the US has a great deal of debt with China, about $30 trillion I think. Maybe Xi thinks if we put sanctions on him, he can call in the note? I don't know.

I am not sure if North Korea is connected to reality. But the reality of less money is a certain now. So yes NK will be hurt.

Yes I had not thought about Iran also doing some soul searching.

Xi and Putin hoped to shift world power in their favor, but they may have shifted a few things they didn't think about. They must have felt they weakened the western democracies so severely that there would not be a world outcry over Ukraine.

I am not sure how all of this impact the US. Putin, China and the GOP are aligned in wanting world autocratic dominance. The GOP is working to destroy voting rights and getting control of the voting system. Their goal is permanent power and control and access to US financial assets. They will give their base minority white christian minority rule.

Thanks for your comments.

And Welcome to DU!

anamnua

(1,111 posts)
42. Neither do the Chinese want the world,
Mon Mar 7, 2022, 04:39 PM
Mar 2022

including China, to be incinerated as a result of Putin’s madness.

Irish_Dem

(47,028 posts)
43. Exactly. China does not want the world to be blown up.
Mon Mar 7, 2022, 05:23 PM
Mar 2022

China is pragmatic. It is expensive to blow up the world and then to rebuild it. A marked decrease in the world's population does not help their bottom line.

China seduces countries with money and assistance, not by destroying them. They have been in Latin America and Africa for decades now, spending huge amounts of money on infrastructure while sucking out the natural resources. They have soldiers stationed in these countries, but there have been no reports of violence.

If you saw the Chinese Olympic opening and closing ceremonies you can see how much they want to present a soft glowing picture of China. Everything was focused on beautiful children and toddlers, healthy and very happy looking. Nothing that would alarm the world. It is their PR team at work.

They probably thought Putin was competent, could take the Ukraine in 3-7 days, and Zelensky would surrender quickly.

Irish_Dem

(47,028 posts)
26. I hope so. But right now he has the world over a barrel.
Mon Mar 7, 2022, 12:31 PM
Mar 2022

The world is too afraid of him to help Ukraine directly. The sanctions may provide help but not in enough time to save them.

PortTack

(32,762 posts)
29. There are no good answers when it comes to war. We are all very aware of that
Mon Mar 7, 2022, 12:55 PM
Mar 2022

As far as Putin and his threats, I don’t think that’s what stops us. We have to act in unison with NATO not alone.



For those suggesting we create a no fly zone...please

Irish_Dem

(47,028 posts)
39. Yes I agree, it is not about nuclear risk.
Mon Mar 7, 2022, 03:58 PM
Mar 2022

Because we are fine with fighting Putin for a NATO country when the nuclear risk is the same as with Ukraine.

gab13by13

(21,333 posts)
14. I agree with you,
Mon Mar 7, 2022, 11:17 AM
Mar 2022

The #1 deterrent, before Trump, was the United States and NATO. Trump would have crippled NATO in his 2nd term.

For Putin to get his new world order he needed to destroy NATO but he also needed an ally in the United States, not an enemy. This is why Putin worked so hard to install his puppet in 2016. This is why Putin is funneling dark money to the GQP, the Putin party.

With or without Trump in 2024, Putin wants a Trump clone elected and wants a majority in the Putin Party elected.

The former Republican party, now the Putin Party is just fine with turning the United States into an autocracy so that it can maintain minority rule forever.

This war in Ukraine has a goal of weakening president Biden, this was a big goal a big reason for Putin invading Ukraine.

Soon members of the Putin Party will begin the narrative that president Biden should have done more, that Donald Trump would have stopped Putin, or some other nonsense that our corrupt MSM will back.

Irish_Dem

(47,028 posts)
44. Yes exactly. The PutinGOP want an autocracy here in the US.
Mon Mar 7, 2022, 05:40 PM
Mar 2022

And they must weaken Biden, while they are getting control of the voting apparatus.

The GOP and Putin are on the same side. Against democracy at all costs.

uponit7771

(90,335 posts)
3. K&R, I don't think people realize how effective the UKR military has been at counter offensive and
Mon Mar 7, 2022, 10:28 AM
Mar 2022

... how much of a naked punk move for Putrids forces to start shelling civilians.

UKR forces mostly on foot have been bleeding the RU military dry but now since they can't win a conventional war Putrid is going to kill the unarmed.

Jus ratchet

Let the RU generals know they will be hunted down, tried and go to jail once they lose this war.

Let that set in their brains

uponit7771

(90,335 posts)
8. +1, and its because RA are using unencrypted commercial communications in UKR that the
Mon Mar 7, 2022, 10:44 AM
Mar 2022

... field officers have to move closer to front line Russian troops for communication.

They know they're losing this and it's not going to get better for them.

On OSINT there are pics of RA forces training in civilians transports with Z on the side cause they've run out of military transport.

The ones that are alive should know they'll spend their lives on the run for their war crimes.

Irish_Dem

(47,028 posts)
45. Yes. RU generals went to the front line to chew out the incompetent troops.
Mon Mar 7, 2022, 05:44 PM
Mar 2022

(Hard to imagine that generals would be reduced to such behavior, but this is what was reported.)

So when the RU generals went to the front line the UKR snipers got 'em.

Irish_Dem

(47,028 posts)
48. Good point. I think one general was particulary brutal and a bad guy.
Mon Mar 7, 2022, 06:01 PM
Mar 2022

Maybe his own troops got him finally.

Also the troops are probably angry that they were lied to about the invasion. And have run out of food, fuel, with paychecks that are worthless.

gab13by13

(21,333 posts)
15. Putin wants this war to damage president Biden,
Mon Mar 7, 2022, 11:21 AM
Mar 2022

so that Trump or a Trump clone can win in 2024. Putin also wants the Putin Party to regain control of Congress. He will do whatever he can to get his GQP friends elected.

Liz Cheney gets it, she calls them Putin's wing of the Republican party, which is basically all of them. Maybe Mitt Romney gets a pass.

PaulnFortWorth

(59 posts)
34. War is for LOSERS
Mon Mar 7, 2022, 01:17 PM
Mar 2022

In war, with few exceptions, there are only losers and bigger losers. France had not recovered from WWI when the Nazis invaded. Russia lost over 50 million people. The Japanese got nuked.

The exceptions? Popular uprisings like America, Ukraine, Texas, East Germany...

The autocrats world-wide are watching with a great deal of self interest. Their survival is at stake.

IronLionZion

(45,435 posts)
20. Between Russian incompetence, sanctions, and Ukrainian determination
Mon Mar 7, 2022, 12:10 PM
Mar 2022

Eventually Russia may decide it isn't worth it and leave. I would hope the Russian people and military have had enough of Putin too.

Response to Johnny2X2X (Original post)

Steven Maurer

(459 posts)
27. Ukrainians are absolutely winning this war
Mon Mar 7, 2022, 12:39 PM
Mar 2022

Setting aside the defender's advantage which lies in the 3 to 1 territory, Ukraine's army of volunteers has literally gotten to the point where it's basically the size of Russia's.

Over the last 10 days, Russia has lost 5% of the nation's entire airforce, and about 4% of all its men under arms. If their losses keep up at this rate, there literally will be no Russian military left in 8 months.

PortTack

(32,762 posts)
31. Absolutely they are winning
Mon Mar 7, 2022, 01:03 PM
Mar 2022

66k+ Ukrainians return home to fight the war

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/over-66200-ukrainian-men-have-returned-abroad-fight-says-defence-minister-2022-03-05/

President Zelenskiy says they now have 16k+ Trained volunteers from around the world that have answered his call

There are now more ppl in Ukraine wanting to join the military than they can accept

https://www.npr.org/2022/02/25/1083130131/thousands-rush-to-enlist-in-ukraines-army-to-fight-the-russian-invasion

Wingus Dingus

(8,052 posts)
33. I guess Russia sure showed us!
Mon Mar 7, 2022, 01:07 PM
Mar 2022

that the US needn't have worried about winning against them in a conventional war. What a horrible, costly, stupid idea.

nuxvomica

(12,423 posts)
38. The 14 days are up on Thursday
Mon Mar 7, 2022, 02:34 PM
Mar 2022

So I am hoping the Russians don't make much headway by then. Because the invasion was approved based on a 14-day timetable, according to what I heard Malcolm Nance say on the radio, I'm thinking the military might apply some "pressure" on Putin then.

Johnny2X2X

(19,062 posts)
49. Putin will call his troops home and claim victory
Mon Mar 7, 2022, 06:06 PM
Mar 2022

He'll claim they eliminated the threat, blah blah blah.

Irish_Dem

(47,028 posts)
47. The original grim predictions were based upon Russian having a competent military.
Mon Mar 7, 2022, 05:55 PM
Mar 2022

With good strategic planning.

It looks like the generals fell asleep during "Theory and Practice of Military Strategy."

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