Breaking: Ukraine's demands in response to Russian demands:

[TygrBright]

1. F**k off

2. Keep f**king off

3. F**k off back to Russia

4. When you get there, f**k off some more

speculatively,
Bright

[greatauntoftriplets]

1. FOAD.

[lark]

29. When we were kids, we started saying "eat shit and die" - esad for short.

Putin - ESAD from almost the entire world short of the nazi like trolls.

[11 Bravo]

40. In the interest of civility, I switched to "consume feces and expire".

[BobTheSubgenius]

77. People will read it, and just know that your heart's in the right place.

[lark]

88. You are obviously more civil than I was as a youngster.

These days I almost never use the phrase, only with the advent of Putin's war did I return to my roots, and only for Pootey and his servile oligarchs/military.

[SharonAnn]

90. GTFO

[SharonAnn]

91. GTFO

[SheltieLover]

2. And fuck off out of Crimea too!

[KS Toronado]

12. Oh, when this is all over Crimea will be part of Ukraine again

as Crimean's will hate Russia.

[SheltieLover]

15. Absofuckingloutely!

AND Russia must be brought to its knees, forced to full nuke disarmament!

No lifting sanctions before this is done. I don't mean empry promises, I mean completed.

Incoming trolls, no doubt...

[Lonestarblue]

19. Fully agree.

The sanctions must not be removed until Putin is gone and Russians are able to hold real elections. If they choose another dictator in a fair election, that’s their choice but the West should not restart their investments and international cooperation until nuclear weapons are gone from Russia. New treaties can be developed that protect the smaller countries surrounding Russia to trigger specific retaliation for any aggression.

[SheltieLover]

21. Yup

[FoxNewsSucks]

32. That's the bad aspect of sanctions.

They always seem to expire, or are removed by the next tRump, before the bad behavior ends. If it does.

[TheProle]

27. Russia will never give up their nukes.

If that makes me a troll, so be it.

[SheltieLover]

28. Russia must be brought to its knees. GIVEN NO CHOICE.

Period.

[TheProle]

30. I understand your position clearly and it would be a better world

without them being a nuclear power. But it won't happen.

Period.

[SheltieLover]

31. I believe it can.

And will.

Period.

[KS Toronado]

45. I'm with you 100%

After Putler hinting he might use a nuke, plus Russia almost starting a meltdown, after this war is over and Putler
is off the world's stage, I see serious talks coming about de-nuking the entire world. Plus it'll be the U.S. leading
the charge.

[SheltieLover]

46. Thx, KS!

Russia first though. Shitbag govts., historically!

[Celerity]

63. How will this be accomplished?

[SheltieLover]

64. When Russia is begging for sanctions to be lifted, demand it

[Celerity]

67. That will never work, literally zero chance. Even if Putin is tossed out, Russia is never going to

cough up their ace in the hole. At least not for what will likely be a century or more (and there might be even more powerful weapons developed along the way).

Nor will any other nuclear power, the US included They look at it as national suicide to do so.

That is why it is so important to keep (peacefully) Iran from going nuclear (arms).

[SheltieLover]

70. Well, then do not lift sanctions.

I agree about Iran!

[Celerity]

71. other nations will not impose sanctions, the sanctions are not globally airtight

[SheltieLover]

72. Perhaps we can tighten them up.

Always room for hope.

[c-rational]

76. +1

[Celerity]

62. it doesn't make you a troll, it makes you a realist

[SheltieLover]

65. Time will tell

[Celerity]

68. yes it will

The truly horrifying thing is that it is FAR more likely for nukes to be used than for a nation now in possession of them to give them up.

[SheltieLover]

69. I agree!

But, when Russia is brought to its knees begging for sanctions to be lifted, it is a demand the world should unite to make imo.

Their track record sucks!

[Marcuse]

79. Ukraine gave them up. The exception that proved the rule.

[Celerity]

82. South Africa is the only country that's built its own nuclear weapons (with Israel's help) and then

relinquished them. Israel also offered to sell South Africa nukes in the 1970's.

Ukraine, Belarus, and Kazakhstan had Soviet nukes, which then formally were transferred (control of them) to the CIS, (the successor to the USSR) when the USSR broke up. All 3 returned them to Russia within several years.

[quakerboy]

80. If russia manages to get broken

It could have some nice chain reactions within the community of dictators that they have supported.

[FakeNoose]

6. I saw him sitting with Mitt Romney at the State of the Union address

That's because Romney is anathema to the Repukes, and none of the Dems want to talk to Manchin.
They're both pretty unpopular these days.

[Mad_Machine76]

8. I would say that there are things Manchin could do to be more popular

but I think he wears that as a badge of honor- that he's not "that kind" of Dem.

[L. Coyote]

11. Our recruiter.

Hard at work, in the enemy trenches, peeling off what he can.

[lagomorph777]

33. Not the decent kind, that's for sure.

[Mad_Machine76]

58. Not that I'm complaining per se because i want to hold our Senate majority

but why does he want to pretend to be a Democrat when his base of support (at least in WVA) is more Republican?

[AdamGG]

86. Because he has WAY more power as the swing vote Democrat

than he would as a Republican and he'd get primaried out by the right wing if he ran as a Rethug.

[FakeNoose]

44. It gets worse - Mylan Labs (the Epi-pen company) got bought by Upjohn a couple years ago

Heather Bresch (Joe Manchin's daughter) wasn't retained by Upjohn as the CEO, but she got a buyout of her contract. I think she made something like $30 million when Upjohn bought the company.

Just to clarify: she did earn her BA from WVU, it was the Master's degree that was "honorary" and caused a lot of controversy.

[Lasher]

50. You need more correction.

As FakeNoose noted, Manchin's daughter, Heather Bresch, earned a Bachelor of Arts degree from WVU. It was her WVU Master's Degree that was the subject of controversy. Her EMBA award was a flawed decision by WVU, and that degree was revoked in 2008.

https://old.post-gazette.com/pg/08115/876164-298.stm

[SheltieLover]

17. Welcome to DU.

[niyad]

22. wow. sighhhhhh. somehow you seem to miss the tiny little fact that that "D" after his name

is the reason that Sen. Chuck S humer, and NOT moscowmitch, is Senate Majority Leader, and Vice President Kamala Harris has the tie-breaking vote, with everything that means.

welcome to DU.

[DeeNice]

24. Thank you nt

[SheltieLover]

26. +1,000,000!!!

[niyad]

54. Actually, nearly everyone on this board knows EXACTLY who, and what, manchin is.

We do not need instruction on that. But we also know what that "D" after his name means, and understand its implications at all levels, facts that you seem willing to ignore.

[niyad]

56. What flavour pizza do you like?

[Lasher]

59. Manchin has voted with Biden 95% of the time.

I'll bet you didn't know that.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/biden-congress-votes/joe-manchin/

[Lasher]

74. Manchin voted 60.5% of the time with the Trump Administration.

According to the website you didn't link.

https://www.manchin.senate.gov/about/bipartisanship/legislation?latest=148

And 95% with Biden, according to the site that I did link.

We're lucky there's not an actual GQP Senator serving in his seat.

[Gregory Peccary]

41. No way, Manchin would never survive a primary

Too unpopular with Dems nationwide - Not insane enough for Republicans if he indeed switched parties

[EYESORE 9001]

4. And as for keeping Russian enclaves in eastern Ukraine...

you can fuck right off with that too.

[peggysue2]

5. LOL!!

The reported terms of a truce are the same demands Putin made before the start of the invasion.

Clearly, the Ukrainians are having none of it. Fuck off, indeed!

[underpants]

7. 😆😆😆

[COL Mustard]

9. I bet the Ukrainian response includes the phrase

Idi na Khui (which translates as sit on a dick, or more loosely, go fuck yourself)!

[KS Toronado]

10. Times are sure a changing

During WWII we just told them "NUTS"

[lagomorph777]

34. And then kicked them in the nuts.

We need to do the same now.

[KS Toronado]

42. All the way to Moscow or wherever Putler is hiding

[lagomorph777]

43. Ukraine and NATO will need to grab some buffer zone in Russia.

[DLevine]

13. K&R

[PatSeg]

14. Absolutely!

[Warpy]

16. Pretty much

Ukrainians are disciplined and they knew this was coming.

Putin's troops are typical dictator troops, they look great in parades but not so much in the field. Dictators are always a little afraid of rank and file military and make sure the leadership is weak.

My guess is that Putin will be offered a choice: leave all of Ukraine including Crimea and have a neutral Ukraine next door or fight on, lose, and have a NATO allied Ukraine next door A neutral Ukraine would allow him to save face and might work.

Ukraine has to know who its friends are. So does Russia.

(Listening to explosions on Kyiv live cam, calling cards from Uncle Vlad who knows his army isn't up to the job and he'll have to do it with bombs and rockets)

[lame54]

18. I'm sorry but, phrasing is important...

It's
Go fuck yourself

That's the battle cry

[OMGWTF]

20. Highest and Best Offer: GTFO NOW!

[HariSeldon]

23. Given Russia's ludicrous opening position

I'd love to see Ukraine respond:
- We will amend our constitution...to allow us to be a nuclear-armed state.
- Russia will withdraw and keep all Russian troops at least 100km from our territory.
- Russia will surrender to us 100 strategic nuclear weapons in working order.
- Russia will pay reparations to rebuild our cities and infrastructure their unwarranted aggression has destroyed, and to compensate Ukrainian families who have lost loved ones to this aggression.

Until these conditions are met, we will continue to decimate the Russian military. All these conditions exist to either restore damage done to Ukraine in this conflict, or to ensure Russia will not engage in unprovoked aggression toward Ukraine in the future.

[thucythucy]

38. Add to this:

all Russian naval units to be withdrawn from the Black Sea, never to return.

"Neutralization" of Belarus--all Russian troops and military equipment to be withdrawn from that nation, never to return.

[BlueWavePsych]

25. Kick

[calimary]

37. WOW! Amazing graphic!

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

35. Nuts.

[dalton99a]

48. KILL PUTIN.

[llashram]

57. they are a

courageous people...

[marie999]

66. People are posting we have to beat Russia and take away its nuclear weapons,

but I don't see anyone saying how this can be done.

[YoshidaYui]

73. I remember hearing tales from my Father

How the American sailors would flip off the Russian trowlers in the Mediterranean Sea, would anyone like to confirm? If so, good for them!!

[pansypoo53219]

75. i prefer ED. no fuck for you!

[if..fish..had..wings]

78. Oh, and BTW

F**k off, again

[2live is 2fly]

81. Thumbs-Up

Very reasonable

[NotHardly]

83. That's my boy ... Mr. Z has spoke & Russians should sit down STFU & go the f*ck home

[calimary]

84. Sure works for me.

[Amishman]

89. I would really love to know what Ukraine's actual counter proposals were/are

Their have been several rounds of attempted negotiations, but I can't seem to find any detail on what Ukraine has been bringing to the table as their starting point for discussions.