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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsA "No Fly Zone" is not an act of war, it's an act of HUMANITY.
Targeting non combatants is an act of terrorism. In this case not just state sponsored terrorism, but state acted terrorism.
As long as Putin cows western democracies with his threats, he will act the monster.
Warn Putin that his terrorists attacks stop, that he ends the assault against women, children and the elderly or we will.
A no fly zone just that. There is no need for air war as long as no aircraft enter the zone. Putin should be put on notice that the Western powers aligned against him have no wish to enter into World War 3 with him, but that slaughtering innocent civilians is terrorism pure and simple. He does not get a free pass to engage in terrorism just because his army is incapable of winning this war.
If he continues to cow the western powers his next threat will be that he be named leader of ________ (insert nation). Maybe he threatens that if trump isnt put back in power he will nuke us. If we dont buy all our gas from him he will nuke us. If we dont give back the oligarchs yachts he will nuke us. If we dont declare ______ (insert demand) he will nuke us.
It will be endless and once you capitulate to someone like him, you will always capitulate and appease and grovel.
Enough of this asshole is enough already. Just like his pet American trump, Putin is an old washed up lump of political turdness.
It breaks my heart to see children running for their lives from artillery, mortars, tanks and aircraft. This did NOT have to happen, he, Putin, chose it. This is genocide in living color on our televisions, computers and mobile devices. We are all seeing exactly what he is doing. What makes any of us think its ok as long as we dont pester him with a no fly zone.
Sherman A1
(38,958 posts)David__77
(23,370 posts)No US military engagement with this.
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Celerity
(43,318 posts)de rec
Wounded Bear
(58,647 posts)What you are calling for is a CAP - a Combat Air Patrol, that would shoot down enemy planes. Launching missions like that would be a definitive act of war that would have us in a shooting war with Russia, which nobody wants right now.
PortTack
(32,755 posts)And does not bow to Putins threats.
There really are no good choices when it comes to war, we all know this. Most experts agree a NFZ would make things so much worse for Ukraine and Eastern Europe without a nuclear bomb ever being detonated.
I can write more but Beau of the 5th column sums it up so succinctly ..
Cha
(297,154 posts)Beau of he 5th Column does talk Common Sense.
TY PT
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Spider Jerusalem
(21,786 posts)Kaleva
(36,294 posts)In the event enforcing a no fly zone sparks a global war.
I'm going to leave it up to Biden, his team of top notch advisors and the leaders of NATO nations to decide
Ocelot II
(115,674 posts)It's what's really called a combat air patrol, which means that NATO aircraft would be patrolling the skies over Ukraine and shooting down any Russian plane that entered, which would mean direct combat vs. Russia. That is not "pestering" Putin; it would be regarded as a direct provocation that might make him feel justified in using nuclear weapons - probably not ICBMs immediately but at least tactical nukes at this point, and they would be targeted at Ukraine first, so the Ukrainians would be even worse off than they are now, and at other NATO countries in Europe. And then it would get worse.
Everyone is horrified by the attacks on civilians in Ukraine, but baiting Putin by establishing a CAP would make their already dire situation exponentially worse. And everyone else's after that.
Cha
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Fiendish Thingy
(15,585 posts)Not planes, so a no-fly zone would have little effect.
NATO would have to bomb inside of Russia, or give Ukraine the equipment to bomb inside of Russia, to have an impact on the attacks on civilians.
Cha
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