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A new Missouri bill would prohibit women leaving the state to get an abortion.
If this style of legislation is somehow found legal, it would have a huge impact in a post-Roe v Wade world.
washingtonpost.com
Missouri lawmaker seeks to prohibit residents from obtaining abortions out of state
Abortion rights advocates say the measure is unconstitutional. But it could signal a new strategy by the antiabortion movement to extend influence beyond the conservative states poised to tighten...
2:00 PM · Mar 8, 2022
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/03/08/missouri-abortion-ban-texas-supreme-court/
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https://archive.ph/pKSdF
The pattern emerges whenever a Republican-led state imposes new restrictions on abortion: People seeking the procedure cross state lines to find treatment in places with less-restrictive laws.
Now, a prominent antiabortion lawmaker in Missouri, where thousands of residents have traveled to next-door Illinois to receive abortions since Missouri passed one of the countrys strictest abortion laws in 2019, believes she has found a solution.
An unusual new provision, introduced by state Rep. Mary Elizabeth Coleman (R), would allow private citizens to sue anyone who helps a Missouri resident obtain an abortion out of state, using the novel legal strategy behind the restrictive Texas law that has banned abortions after six weeks of pregnancy since September.
Coleman has attached the measure as an amendment to several abortion-related bills that have made it through committee and are waiting to be heard on the floor of the House of Representatives.
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secondwind
(16,903 posts)Incredible .
TheBlackAdder
(28,077 posts)localroger
(3,605 posts)...the end of civil society as we know it. The Federal government will be helpless to enforce any protection of rights and, as a practical matter, any Federal level laws at all. I think there are still at least six people on the Supreme Court sane enough to strike this madness down, even if five of them would be willing to gut abortion, voting, and civil rights enforcement.
Demsrule86
(68,355 posts)oldsoftie
(12,410 posts)Then by the time its tossed they're reelected
Demsrule86
(68,355 posts)especially with the ectopic pregnancy which would allow women to die for nothing will not hurt them rather than help them.
SoonerPride
(12,286 posts)I wish that were a joke.
gratuitous
(82,849 posts)Any woman of child-bearing age needs to have her movements severely circumscribed, not just the ones who are actively pregnant.
MontanaMama
(23,242 posts)Ridiculous.
NickB79
(19,117 posts)Maybe keep a used tampon in a Ziploc bag to throw at the first asshole who demands proof you aren't pregnant.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Last edited Tue Mar 8, 2022, 07:07 PM - Edit history (1)
after purchasing abortion pills on a visit?
On my graze I didn't see where it'd actually be illegal to leave the state for that purpose (!!! ).
eShirl
(18,466 posts)blows my mind
Hassin Bin Sober
(26,273 posts)Claire Oh Nette
(2,636 posts)nt
Lonestarblue
(9,883 posts)I hope Republicans keep pushing this nonsense because eventually even the wingnuts will realize that these politicians are crazy.
Crunchy Frog
(26,548 posts)NYC Liberal
(20,132 posts)Thats the frightening part.
kysrsoze
(6,010 posts)spanone
(135,637 posts)CrispyQ
(36,236 posts)wnylib
(21,146 posts)that we were liberating Iraqi women.
Boomerproud
(7,890 posts)was akin to the Nazi Star of David law.
wnylib
(21,146 posts)DFW
(54,059 posts)They misread their country and even the time in which they live by about a thousand years.
Even the Mel Brooks version of Torquemada couldn't have thought this one up.
maxrandb
(15,193 posts)This is precisely who in the fuck we are as a nation and a people.
If this were truly "not who we are", these people would lose, but this will ensure they win by an even larger margin in MO.
Sadly, all this legislator is doing is representing the will of their constituents.
mahina
(17,506 posts)In Texas.
Mariana
(14,849 posts)In their constituencies, people who are in favor of this kind of thing are the majority.
Irish_Dem
(45,661 posts)Patterson
(1,525 posts)but with this court all bets are off.
OAITW r.2.0
(23,862 posts)How can you protect a blastocyst's rights if you aren't screening for them?
rurallib
(62,346 posts)Lovie777
(11,992 posts)Tadpole Raisin
(972 posts)They thought - yah, thats a great society.
NewDayOranges
(691 posts)Maybe we should start wearing masks on our vaginas or start carrying firearms in there so republicans will leave our uteruses and vaginas ALONE!
deminks
(11,006 posts)SCantiGOP
(13,856 posts)This bill has 0% chance of passing constitutional muster.
Murphyb849
(569 posts)Hekate
(90,202 posts)
those laws in the near future. It is not political grandstanding it is political strategy.
SCantiGOP
(13,856 posts)There are numerous reasons a state could not prevent a citizen from traveling to another state for a medical procedure.
It is grandstanding because they know the bill is obviously unconstitutional.
PortTack
(32,606 posts)Hekate
(90,202 posts)Last edited Tue Mar 8, 2022, 10:05 PM - Edit history (1)
you will shortly begin receiving coupons for everything from prenatal vitamins to baby formula?
Several years ago that came out because of fathers who were shocked as hell to discover that these apparently misdirected coupons were related to their teenage daughters purchase of a home pregnancy test.
Soooooo
PortTack
(32,606 posts)Will have to wait
Hekate
(90,202 posts)
womens rights over their own bodies (subjugating 51% of the population).
These two things cannot wait. These rights are being rolled back as we speak. It cannot wait.
My heart goes out to the people of Ukraine and I recognize the peril Putin poses to Europe and the world. I support military aid, governmental aid, charitable donations, you-name-it.
But no American should think our home-grown fascists are pausing for a moment in their endeavors. They see their goal in sight.
niyad
(112,444 posts)smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)At least he won't care until one of those women sues him in court for mandatory child support for the next 18 years. Then he'll care.
niyad
(112,444 posts)Hekate
(90,202 posts)Our house is quite sad just now. My husband is being triggered to a hereditary PTSD by whats happening in Ukraine. I am being triggered by the all-out assault on American womens rights. We each support the other.
I am astonished that anyone thinks we can just put the radical right-wing takeover of America on hold because because what, exactly? Because the bodily autonomy and moral agency of 51% of the population is (and to some always will be) relegated to being a womens issue and therefore forever of lesser importance? Because minorities and especially Black Americans have achieved all the civil rights they are ever going to get?
It is a literal trigger for me, and I feel deep grief wash over me. Just as my husband feels grief at the destruction of the place his grandparents left for Vienna in 1914. This was not supposed to happen again
ProudMNDemocrat
(16,498 posts)I do not say this lightly.
What Republicans in the states want is total CONTROL over a woman's body, her decisions, her movements, even her thoughts.
What punishments are they willing to come up with towards women who seek options? What happens if a woman miscarries through no fault of her own? This is madness!
Red Pest
(288 posts)Women would have no rights if they are residents of Missouri. Pregnancy tests required for exit and reentry to the state?
Farmer-Rick
(10,072 posts)Would Missouri police have the right to go to Maryland to abduct and drag back Missouri women who plan to have abortions?
Could Missouri kidnap women from other states whom they suspect of having abortions because they at one time lived in Missouri?
Would any former female resident of Missouri have the right to ever have an abortion even if they conceived in another state? And how would you prove the woman had sex in what state?
I think all females in Missouri should leave now. Just to be safe with future abortions.
localroger
(3,605 posts)So nobody can go to Maryland to drag you back in handcuffs, but you could get served with a summons and if you don't go back home to make the court appearance face a summary judgement, which would result in liens on your property and possibly an arrest warrant enforceable in the home state for failure to pay the judgement. So you would pretty much have to leave everything behind and plan on staying in Maryland (or other non-cooperative states) forever. It is unlikely, particularly if you are in a state that does not pull this shit, that they would honor an extradition request on the basis of such an unpaid judgement.
Farmer-Rick
(10,072 posts)Where they were dragging back the escaped slave or even free black men by crossing into other States and kidnapping them. Then selling them back into slavery. If someone can make money off of kidnapping pregnant women, I'm sure someone's going to try it.
But that was a different atrocity created by the Supremes in the 1842 case Prigg v. Pennsylvania.
Maraya1969
(22,441 posts)Address: MO House of Representatives
201 West Capitol Avenue
Room 118-CB
Jefferson City MO 65101
Legislator Assistant: Seth York
Phone: 573-751-3751
E-Mail: MaryElizabeth.Coleman@house.mo.gov
niyad
(112,444 posts)Maraya1969
(22,441 posts)concerned citizens voicing their displeasure.
niyad
(112,444 posts)orwell
(7,754 posts)lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)Only the Federal government has the right to regulate interstate commerce.
maxrandb
(15,193 posts)Join Thomas and Alito to make it "constitutional"?
After all, the work around seems to be to allow private citizens to sue for whatever the fuck they want.
Seems the going rate for rights we took for granted just 2 years ago is $10K.
Next will be private citizens suing folks for saying ,"gay...oh wait, nevermind, that's already being considered in Florida.
We better get our asses out and vote in numbers never seen before, or this country is fucked.
orwell
(7,754 posts)...I have never held the courts as either wise nor moral. Sometimes they are, sometimes they aren't.
But this is clearly unconstitutional. If they choose not to rule that way, the legitimacy of the Supreme Court is gone.
localroger
(3,605 posts)...pioneered by Texas for their near total abortion ban. The idea is that since these are state level civil suits brought by individuals they aren't "law enforcement" subject to Constitutional review. It's hard to imagine even the wackiest Supreme Court going along with this since it would effectively shutter their entire branch of government. But until it's struck down more laws like this will be passed and they will be actionable (not being "enforcement" until the whole idea is struck down. Meanwhile we have not even seen the beginning of the legal chaos that will arise if suits based on this theory actually start showing up in the court system.
I can see the current SC striking down Roe and allowing abortion bans and gutting civil rights enforcement, but I find it hard to believe that all five of the conservative justices would go along with making their own institution irrelevant by allowing this civil lawsuit dodge. Problem is it will probably be awhile before any of these laws shows up at the SC. So far I don't think there is even a single case actually in process based on the very first one passed in Texas.
orwell
(7,754 posts)...that is very enlightening. My post was simplistic revealing my rudimentary knowledge of the law.
Yours was very illuminating, and considerably more troubling. I fear you may be right that inevitably this court will strike down Roe. It is where this seems to have been headed for over a generation.
Thanks again for your post.
bluestarone
(16,723 posts)They were ALL born in the WRONG country! Please leave us NOW!
Rebl2
(13,311 posts)immediately leave this country and go to a country with a dictator, preferably Russia and live under putins rules.
hlthe2b
(101,730 posts)killed one day. This is disgraceful. And if I sat on the jury of some horrifically abused/harrassed/devastated and soon-to-be financially-crippled woman who merely sought to get the legal abortion she has every right to acquire and who lost it with one of these cretins seeking to control and destroy her life? Murder is obviously wrong, but I'm not so sure I wouldn't find some way to grant her mercy.
tishaLA
(14,176 posts)Because you know they want to find it legal and are willing to perform all manner of pretzel logic for it.
bucolic_frolic
(42,681 posts)Moostache
(9,895 posts)They are going to leave for college and career paths and I will be sad to see them less often than I might have otherwise, but this fucked up state is disgusting and I hope the New Madrid fault goes soon and levels much of this asshole of the United States.
wnylib
(21,146 posts)But the cretins would probably rape them.
LiberalFighter
(50,506 posts)wnylib
(21,146 posts)roamer65
(36,739 posts)East St Louis may actually become a thriving city again.
TygrBright
(20,733 posts)This is the flailing temper tantrum of an abuser seeing their victims slip from their control.
They can still do a lot of painful damage.
But they know their days are numbered.
disgustedly,
Bright
MissMillie
(38,459 posts).
badhair77
(4,191 posts)Attendance was taken, proper uniform was noted and we had to tell the teacher when we had our periods and it was documented. Seriously. This was in the 60s. Will we go back to such nonsense.
Crossing state lines is no ones business but the womans.
Moostache
(9,895 posts)IF this "law" is ever enacted, I am going to organize a transportation system from St. Louis to East St. Louis with FREE ROOM AND BOARD in my home for women needing abortion care.
Go ahead and try to stop me.
niyad
(112,444 posts)Hekate
(90,202 posts)lonely bird
(1,644 posts)Fuck. These. People.
OK, no abortions? Dump the kids on the desks of the legislators. Make them pay for the kids care and feeding.
(Sorry, just venting)
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)What do they think is going to be the outcome of such ridiculous legislation? Who is going to pay for all of these unwanted children? And many of these same people want to outlaw birth control as well.
And now that we have DNA testing, doesn't anyone think that if the woman is going to have to pay by forfieting the right to bodily autonomy, the next thing that will have to happen is that men who have fathered all those unwanted children are going to have to pay financially and otherwise? Have their pay garnished and assets seized to ease the burden on the state.
What will things look like 20 years down the road after such policies are implemented throughout much of the nation?
Mariana
(14,849 posts)They think they'll get more money and votes next election. They're probably right.
ETA: They'll also be hailed as champions of the faith at their Christian churches. When it inevitably gets struck down, they'll rant about the evil Satanic leftist swine who kill babies and persecute Christians. They have nothing to lose and everything to gain by passing this.
Stuart G
(38,365 posts)Demsrule86
(68,355 posts)rurallib
(62,346 posts)a new spot for a Republican wall!
ashredux
(2,593 posts)Rebl2
(13,311 posts)effing lost their minds. Please, if you want to live somewhere with a dictator, go to a country like russia.
MOMFUDSKI
(5,209 posts)telling her to get her head out of her ass. Also asked her if she was fucking crazy. JEESH
Moostache
(9,895 posts)Take our population, our tax base and our sense of common fucking decency to Illinois.
We can be an effective counter balance for up-state Chicago interests and down-state St. Louis interests and we can shake the disgusting dust of East Kansas forevermore!!!
KPN
(15,587 posts)Pas-de-Calais
(9,889 posts)Actually
Knew
The
Law
niyad
(112,444 posts)milestogo
(16,829 posts)We need to fight this. HARD.
lindysalsagal
(20,445 posts)Lawsuits as well. Then, they'll be on the financial hook to house and support the women and children. Registration and attendance at church services will be mandatory for all fathers. Alcohol prohibited until the children move out at 18. No porn or gambling.
dlk
(11,439 posts)Making women as chattel great again.
lees1975
(3,726 posts)This woman is not a Republican, she's a Fascist.
orangecrush
(19,237 posts)Slavery for women.
How sick can you get?
AZLD4Candidate
(5,570 posts)Harker
(13,880 posts)Or maybe they'll use the Texas model, asking the citizenry to rat each other out for money.
It's nuts.
localroger
(3,605 posts)Enforcement is civil money judgements, liens on property, property seizure, and possibly jail for failure to pay the judgement if you re-enter the state. You would probably be OK if you leave everything behind and move to the less insane state and never return.
Calista241
(5,584 posts)paleotn
(17,781 posts)The nutters propose all sorts of nuttiness that never sees the light of day.
Pepsidog
(6,252 posts)Last edited Tue Mar 8, 2022, 08:06 PM - Edit history (1)
Gore1FL
(21,035 posts)eppur_se_muova
(36,227 posts)Missouri, you ain't the boss of all fifty states.
sinkingfeeling
(51,281 posts)MOMFUDSKI
(5,209 posts)telling her to get her head out of her ass. Also asked her if she was fucking crazy. JEESH
Boomerproud
(7,890 posts)What next? All birth control. "Laboratories of Democracy" my ...
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)Seriously. It's effing scary.
Hekate
(90,202 posts)oldsoftie
(12,410 posts)Hekate
(90,202 posts)Last edited Wed Mar 9, 2022, 01:53 AM - Edit history (1)
oldsoftie
(12,410 posts)niyad
(112,444 posts)oldsoftie
(12,410 posts)This is all for "image" to look like they're "saving babies". Its not going anywhere & it wouldn't stop anyone.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying we shouldn't worry about it & stand against it, just that its stupid and the only way to enforce it would be to break OTHER laws; like HIPPA
Hekate
(90,202 posts)oldsoftie
(12,410 posts)And reporting a doctors office is a lot easier than knowing what your neighbor is doing
Hekate
(90,202 posts)Stinky The Clown
(67,697 posts)NavyDem
(517 posts)Are they going to bring the same energy when it comes to people crossing state lines to purchase guns in states with less restrictive gun laws? Last time I looked, freedom to travel between the states was still very much a constitutionally protected right, under the 14th amendment.
pansypoo53219
(20,908 posts)xmas74
(29,659 posts)I didn't get child support for a decade.
xmas74
(29,659 posts)And her last term. Look her up-she loves to sponsor and cosponsor crazy crap, including the Trump highway and Limbaugh day.
ZonkerHarris
(24,156 posts)no exaggeration
msfiddlestix
(7,266 posts)Are there no common sense Voting Citizens residing in the State of Missouri?
jeeze, i read this stuff and I wonder how in the hell do these wackos continue to proliferate in state governments?
jeeze.
Is this shit stupid ever going to end?
Happy Hoosier
(7,083 posts)would even be supported by most conservatives in SCOTUS. Except Thomas.
No state can tell someone not to seek legal medical services in another state. That's ridiculous on its face.
Emile
(21,919 posts)for seeking out of state abortions. Mary Elizabeth Coleman insists forcing people to give birth to and raise children against their own will is good for them.