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(15,265 posts)Irish_Dem
(45,640 posts)Xi got stung this time, but Putin will get his turn.
onecaliberal
(32,489 posts)Cha
(295,925 posts)Escurumbele
(3,340 posts)FakeNoose
(32,355 posts)He told Putin to NOT invade Ukraine or do anything rash until after the Olympics is done. Pootie did what Xi asked, he waited and now the ground is soft and his tanks are getting stuck in the mud. I don't think Xi has any real complaint, but he can join the rest of the world and condemn Pootie now, if he really wants to.
What's really upsetting Xi is the knowledge that THIS will happen to China if they should ever decide to invade Taiwan. No shit Sherlock!
uponit7771
(90,225 posts)... shit kicked out of him by the west and he can't take Taiwan without the US bein involved.
Sounds like Xi and Putrid listened too much to MAGAstanians thinking US was weak ... under Putrids Whore we were weak.
Now we gonna whoop they ass if they jump
ToxMarz
(2,154 posts)so hard if they flexed their muscle with Taiwan, BUT now we've all had practice and a successful roadmap to follow. There will be no hesitation! And China knows it!
JanMichael
(24,847 posts)Ie Xi knew that the ground would thaw.
What is stunning is that Russia did not. Napoleon and Hitler and now Putin all fell in for either freezing weather or the mushy ground.
So I think Xi played Putin. China has long had deep seeded hatred for Russia/USSR. So why not try the oldest trick in the book. I bet Xi was stunned that Putin fell for it.
FakeNoose
(32,355 posts)Maybe Xi's the good guy, after all.
JanMichael
(24,847 posts)Or just take them over economically which is more likely.
Good guy? Maybe? But it was probably the long game which is only good or bad depending if you are the mark or if you lose betting.
keopeli
(3,461 posts)heavy machinery. Just saying.
JanMichael
(24,847 posts)I should add that my idea is peppered through literature and media. Don't invade Russia in the Winter is punctuated by the March April thaw.
With temps rising worldwide that softening of the frozen soil is happening earlier. I imagine China figured that out. Stunned that Putin didn't. Early onset dementia?
grantcart
(53,061 posts)He gets improved relations with a much weaker Russia at no real cost to China.
Win
Win
Win
calimary
(80,699 posts)No way to predict how that one would go, or whether the world would unite for Taiwan as everyone has around Ukraine, but if Xi's smart, he probably doesn't want to risk it.
Xi probably recognizes that Putin will not recover from this. Why stick your neck out, even when your situation is different?
Caliman73
(11,694 posts)Perhaps he doesn't understand European and American history as much as he thinks.
I mean, Trump did his best to help Putin drive a wedge between Europe and America. The problem for China is that there are DEEP ties there and it takes more than an idiot with a 4 to 8 year term as president to disrupt hundreds of years of relations.
What we here in America, need to absolutely do, is ensure that Republicans do not take back control of the government in any meaningful way.
Cha
(295,925 posts)Going to Be?
Rt TY💙💛
paulkienitz
(1,295 posts)because he hoped it would show that they could get away with invading Taiwan.
ancianita
(35,813 posts)orwell
(7,754 posts)...China is catapulting the propaganda supporting Putrid at home...
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100216458361
So let's put the breaks on any quick read of a very complex situation.
I would guess that the Chinese are attempting to play both sides of the fence here. Their long term goal is still to be a primary economic power, decoupled from the dollar hegemon, the real source of US global power.
Right now they need Putler...until they don't...
Since the fall of the USSR we live in a unipolar world with the US at the top. That's actually bad for everyone, including the US. That is one of the main reasons we find ourselves in this mess.
hunter
(38,264 posts)Putin's head is stuck in the twentieth century, still thinking he's the supreme leader of a superpower.
China knows this. They're just waiting to scoop up all those Siberian natural resources at fire sale prices, having handed Putin all the matches he needs to burn Russia down.
Matches are cheap.
Putin's ambitions went most horribly wrong when Biden was elected. Trump would have let Putin roll freely across the former Soviet empire for a few Russian hookers and chump change.
orwell
(7,754 posts)...the things that Putler offers Xi right now outweigh the negatives. That will all change in the next decade as Belt and Road becomes a reality.
But Xi also has to be careful. Putler is clearly unhinged at this point.
This is a dangerous game everyone is playing, and a lot of innocent people are dying because of it.
BumRushDaShow
(127,312 posts)(Russia is shown in the carve-out in the green section right along the edge of the circle next to the section's labeled word "Europe" )
ancianita
(35,813 posts)They like to play good cop-bad cop when convenient.
China and Russia both want the downfall of the West, and they present a pincer-like pressure on the West.
While Russia goes for causing disinformation and chaos on one side, China is into snake-like takeover of business and culture on the other.
China is our real enemy, though, because it sees the West as its enemy.
Its 500,000 students who study abroad are held in tight control through threats to their families back home. A good book that explains life in China's internal totalitarian dictatorship, and its approach to 'doing business' with the West is We Have Been Harmonized by Kai Strittmatter (2018).
orwell
(7,754 posts)StClone
(11,679 posts)Was economic purposely misspelled with an "x" to go with Xi for humorous effect?
erronis
(14,955 posts)Fairly common prefixes: exo and endo.
Going along with this newly hatched idea, China really needs the rest of the world to be healthy to continue to support its (China's) growth. They know they can't survive on just their own local markets/needs. And they also know that they are not yet ready to take over and occupy the rest of the planet.