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(23,313 posts)somewhat behaving themselves these days?
cilla4progress
(24,728 posts)right?
Could it persist?
abqtommy
(14,118 posts)in and out of government were in jail or prison right now.
SheilaAnn
(9,694 posts)BigmanPigman
(51,585 posts)Tons of my mail was missing, including my stimulus check and tax refund.
PoindexterOglethorpe
(25,851 posts)I have my tax refund done as a direct deposit, and that's how my earlier stimulus "checks" were deposited. As well as Social Security. Waiting on mailed checks, even without a DeJoy mucking with the postal service, is not a good idea. Not when direct deposit gets the money there a lot faster and a lot more securely.
Heck, one reason Social Security went to direct deposit was that thieves would routinely steal the SS checks because they knew when they were due to arrive. Direct deposit eliminated that.
BigmanPigman
(51,585 posts)$600 check never got to me via USPS so the IRS said to have it taken out of your 2021 fed tax returns and I'd get it that way. Well I didn't get it that way either. Same thing happened with my 2 stimulus checks from my state. The problem with the state tax hotline is that they never answer your call, I've tried that for 6 months. So my checks didn't get to me and neither did my tax return. I know that the IRS is as understaffed and underpaid as the USPS is. Both need to be better funded. The IRS is still processing 6 million returns from 2021! So the rich 1% get away not being scrutinized and they are the biggest tax cheats.
PoindexterOglethorpe
(25,851 posts)I got my "checks" right on time, again as direct deposits.
I'm also reminded why my tax refund strategy is that I'd rather owe a bit, rather than giving a generous loan to the government, which is what people are doing if they are getting a large refund back.
BigmanPigman
(51,585 posts)I used direct deposit for my federal refund and it still never came through. That is the IRS's fault. The 2 state checks were lost in the mail and that is the USPS fault. Both agencies suck.
PoindexterOglethorpe
(25,851 posts)I have personally had no problems with direct deposits, and I'm sorry that they've been a problem for you.
But depending on checks being mailed is not a good thing these days. Honestly, going for direct deposit usually works. I haven't gotten a check from the government in decades. Direct deposit works, it really does. At least for me.
A bit of an aside. About a decade ago, when I was working for the local hospital, I kept on being astonished at the employees who showed up on payday to pick up their checks. I kept on wanting to tell them that if they went with direct deposit, they'd have already had the money in their checking accounts. But nope. They'd show up week after week to pick up the check that they then had to take to their bank, and might well need to wait another day or two for the deposit to show up in their account. Really, direct deposit is the best. Maybe I'm unusual, but I have never had a problem with direct deposit.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)This bill doesn't confirm the President's nominees to the Postal Board. That is still needed, to get rid of DeJerk.
FoxNewsSucks
(10,429 posts)no BBB.
More importantly, no voting rights legislation. Moscow Mitch & Co can now sit back and coast until they gain permanent power within a few years.
Any good being done now will be undone.
lastlib
(23,222 posts)1) they know that some shit's about to hit their fan that will destroy them, and they're tippy-toeing around so as not to set it off, or;
2) they're about to spring some shit of their own, so they're tippy-toeing around so as not to spill the beans too early.
I hope it's the first one.
Irish_Dem
(46,986 posts)forgotmylogin
(7,527 posts)The GOP is so busy drywalling over any overt connections and supportive references to Russia they can't be bothered with their usual obstruction.
Irish_Dem
(46,986 posts)Bev54
(10,048 posts)rurallib
(62,411 posts)speaking in favor of this bill. I had to pinch myself.
dhol82
(9,353 posts)I know it wont but i can dream, cant I?
calimary
(81,220 posts)I will be DeJOYFUL when DeJoy's job is deep-sixed.
AllaN01Bear
(18,187 posts)cilla4progress
(24,728 posts)Link to tweet
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Hekate
(90,662 posts)MichMan
(11,915 posts)Probably a lot of current office holders voted for that one too.
niyad
(113,278 posts)IronLionZion
(45,433 posts)I think this is the latest version of the bill they voted on:
https://www.rpc.senate.gov/legislative-notices/hr3076_postal-service-reform-act-of-2022
Whatthe_Firetruck
(556 posts)Wasn't someone suggesting that the postal service operate a basic bank?
IronLionZion
(45,433 posts)but it's challenging to add more duties for their workforce without adding additional people or funding.
Mr. Sparkle
(2,932 posts)I wounder what poison pill those evil geniuses put in the bill for them to vote for it. At the very minimum im thinking tax breaks for their base
PoindexterOglethorpe
(25,851 posts)affected them every bit as much as everyone else.
FakeNoose
(32,634 posts)This messed up USPS has been penalizing the rural states more than the urban areas. We city dwellers may have other options for mail and package delivery, but the rural areas don't. Also their internet is less reliable and more expensive. I'll bet they've been bitching up a storm, and the Senators are falling in line.
MiHale
(9,721 posts)UPS delivers, FedEx delivers, post office delivers. Ok cant do DoorDash or whatever but never had a problem getting packages except for normal goof-ups that would be found anywhere.
If I can order it online I can get it. Matter of fact to save the long drives, we order items factoring in the cost of fuel which can sometimes wipeout the shipping charges, if any.
dchill
(38,474 posts)For real? Why does this great news make me suspicious?
No more questions.
AllaN01Bear
(18,187 posts)H2O Man
(73,536 posts)left-of-center2012
(34,195 posts)https://www.democraticunderground.com/10142884607
spanone
(135,829 posts)Blue Owl
(50,355 posts)In a cardboard box to Mag a Lardo marked RETURN TO SENDER
BeerBarrelPolka
(1,202 posts)Send it Postage Due
Demsrule86
(68,556 posts)Magoo48
(4,707 posts)BComplex
(8,049 posts)pushed through years ago.
TheRickles
(2,059 posts)That seemed to be the #1 reason the PO always operated at a deficit.
LogicFirst
(571 posts)former9thward
(31,987 posts)Congress gave the PO a waiver in 2010 for that payment. The PO has never paid anything since. So although it was carried on the books as a debt it actually never affected the yearly cash flow. The PO runs as a deficit because of the internet. People simply do not use the mails as they once did.
TheRickles
(2,059 posts)to their future pension liabilities. Thanks.
former9thward
(31,987 posts)MYTH: Without these burdensome requirements, the USPS would neither be losing money nor experiencing its current and/or pre-COVID cashflow crunch.
FACT: First, the PAEA contributions have no bearing on cashflow because the USPS is not making those contributions.
In the aftermath of the Great Recession, Congress reduced the 2009 contribution, and, when it refused to make any further changes, the USPS simply defaulted, that is, refused to pay the contributions mandated by the PAEA. That continues to be the case today. As it states in its 10-K, with respect to retirement benefits, the Postal Service did not make any of these [required pension funding] payments in order to preserve liquidity to ensure that the ability to fulfill the primary universal service mission was not placed at undue risk; with respect to contributions to the retiree medical fund, the USPS states, As indicated above, the Postal Service recorded an expense for these amounts but did not make these payments in order to preserve liquidity to ensure that the ability to fulfill the primary universal service mission was not placed at undue risk.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/ebauer/2020/04/14/post-office-pensions--some-key-myths-and-facts/?sh=4d6d8ada47f5
There is much more in the article. So as I said, yes there is a debt on paper but not in day to day operations. Day to day problems come from the low volume of mail as people shift to the internet and other services.
TheRickles
(2,059 posts)It's from Forbes, so I'm expecting something of a pro-business slant, but I'm willing to learn.
BlueCheeseAgain
(1,654 posts)In favor were 50 Democrats/Independents and 29 Republicans. Opposed were 19 Republicans.
Similar numbers in House. All Democrats and a majority of Republicans in favor. A minority of Republicans opposed.
LogicFirst
(571 posts)billions of dollars.
bucolic_frolic
(43,144 posts)BumRushDaShow
(128,900 posts)so the same language was used for both the House and Senate versions so they wouldn't have to go back and forth trying to reconcile the versions.
Some about that provision from an earlier article (and the approach for dealing with that later) -
An identical version of the legislation is advancing in the House, where it is said to have enough support to pass
By Jacob Bogage
May 19, 2021 at 5:44 p.m. EDT
(snip)
Liberal House Democrats had pushed the chambers bill sponsors to take a more sweeping approach to postal reform, including discussions about consistently providing the mail agency with congressional appropriations. The Postal Service generally does not take taxpayer funding and subsists on the sale of mail and package products.
But House leaders, including Rep. Carolyn B. Maloney (D-N.Y.), who led the mail coalition, wanted to bring Republicans along in the effort and opted for a more moderate approach. The legislation authorizes the Postal Service to offer non-mailing services to local governments, such as the sale of hunting and fishing permits, a priority for the liberal wing of the party. However, the new bipartisan deal does not incorporate a pilot program for banking services, a larger priority for liberals, or include resources or transparency requirements for election mail handling.
Maloney split off some of those components, along with $8 billion in funding for an electric vehicle fleet, into a separate bill that also has the requisite support to pass the House. The Senate has not taken up that legislation.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2021/05/19/usps-senate-bipartisan-agreement/
Here is a recent article on where the Postal Banking initiative is (apparently they had a limited pilot test) -
House provision would fund tests of various financial services at urban and rural post offices
By Caitlin Reilly
Posted March 1, 2022 at 9:00am
As lawmakers work on finishing fiscal 2022 appropriations, theyll have to decide whether to keep a House spending provision that would allow some post offices to offer more financial services. Coming in the wake of a largely ignored U.S. Postal Service test of a check-cashing service, a new initiative could test whether the Postal Service can attract millions of Americans who now lack banking services, serve areas largely vacated by banks and make money by doing so. Those tests depend on the Senate going along with the $6 million for a pilot project in the Houses fiscal 2022 Financial Services appropriations bill. Lawmakers are trying to finish the appropriations work before the current continuing resolution expires on March 11.
We are looking to provide very basic services at post offices across our country because they are in every neighborhood, said Rep. Marcy Kaptur, D-Ohio. We're looking at simple things like cashing their check, or paying a utility bill or selling a savings bond. The House proposal would allow five rural and five urban post offices to offer nonbank services such as free ATMs, wire transfers, check cashing and bill payments. Post offices already sell money orders. Proponents of postal banking hope the test does better than one the Postal Service launched in September, offering check cashing in four East Coast urban and suburban sites. Customers cashed six checks, generating $35.70 in fees, according to a Postal Service regulatory filing in January. The pilot capped the amount at $500, charged a $5.95 fee and required users to buy a gift card.
I don't know whether a pilot can be called a serious pilot if it's not in a neighborhood that actually has demand for the services, said Porter McConnell, the Take on Wall Street Campaign director at Americans for Financial Reform. McConnell, who in 2020 co-founded the Save the Post Office Coalition, said high fees, the low limit on gift card amounts and the absence of advertising also undermined the pilot. The checks cashed need to get up to $2,000. It needs to be a lot cheaper. It needs to be cheaper than Walmart, not $2 more expensive. It needs to be in neighborhoods that need it, McConnell said. It needs to be advertised. It needs to be sent out in mailers. At the very least, some posters, some signage. That is all very basic.
Postal banking is a catchall term for financial services offered through the Postal Service, including checking and savings accounts, small loans, and nonbank services such as cash machines or check cashing. Research by the University of Michigan in May 2021 found that 60 million people live in a census tract with a post office but not a bank branch. From 2008 to 2020, more than 13,000 bank branches closed, according to the National Community Reinvestment Coalition. In 2017, 8.4 million households lacked a savings and checking account the definition of unbanked and another 24.2 million households had a bank account the underbanked but still used alternative financial services such as payday loans, according to the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation. More recent FDIC studies lack comparable data on underbanked households.
https://rollcall.com/2022/03/01/unimpressed-with-usps-banking-trial-backers-eye-new-initiative/
The new "pilot" had a cost of $6 million and they were hoping to get it into the upcoming FY2022 government appropriations bill that is something like 2700 pages long, so have to dig around to see if something that "piddly" survived the cut.
bucolic_frolic
(43,144 posts)Apologies I should do my own Googling, but you do give great service to the DU community.
Seems to me at one time one could cash a postal money order at the post office. I recall cashing one once but shortly after they had warnings of counterfeit money orders, and I guess PayPal took away their business anyway. Must have been about 2002.
BumRushDaShow
(128,900 posts)You can still buy and cash postal money orders at a post office - https://www.usps.com/shop/money-orders.htm
For those without banking and not paying utilities or other bills in-person / with cash, this is usually what they end up doing - buying a money order.
I also remember back in the day buying (American Express) "travelers checks" from them too and that was a long time ago!
Some outlets (like the one near me) offer passport processing services where they have someone deputized by the Dept. of State to accept payment for the passport application, verify identity/citizenship documents (and some will even take the picture for a fee), sign off on passport applications/renewals, and for an additional fee, will then send the passport application package to a Passport Office for final processing.
What I think the "banking" initiative is trying to do is have USPS manage deposits and provide checking capability like a "bank". This is because the proliferation of postal retail outlets throughout the country offers more access to populations in rural areas and dense urban areas without banking access, where those individuals often miss out on financial transactions that require or operate fastest by using direct deposits (like tax refunds or the previous stimulus payments).