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Postal! (Original Post) cilla4progress Mar 2022 OP
I wonder why the Senate is MontanaMama Mar 2022 #1
I know... cilla4progress Mar 2022 #2
It could persist but I won't hold my breath. I'd feel lots better if all the reTHUG Fascists abqtommy Mar 2022 #4
Does this mean the end of DeJoy? nt SheilaAnn Mar 2022 #6
Maybe the beginning of the end of that fuck face. BigmanPigman Mar 2022 #7
What stimulus check? I wasn't aware there was another in the pipeline. PoindexterOglethorpe Mar 2022 #27
This was the 2nd of the 3 from last year! BigmanPigman Mar 2022 #29
Ahh, thank you for that clarification. PoindexterOglethorpe Mar 2022 #33
Since the USPS was responsible for the lost check BigmanPigman Mar 2022 #34
Darn. PoindexterOglethorpe Mar 2022 #40
Hard to say, apparently he supported the bill. Hoyt Mar 2022 #10
I don't think so. lagomorph777 Mar 2022 #44
They got what they wanted, thanks to manchin & sinema FoxNewsSucks Mar 2022 #24
Two possibilities: lastlib Mar 2022 #51
Maybe the GOP is hoping for brownie points as more info comes out about their Russian connections? Irish_Dem Mar 2022 #3
That's sort of what I thought in reverse... forgotmylogin Mar 2022 #25
Yes that fits too, no time for their usual crapola. Irish_Dem Mar 2022 #26
When can they get rid of DeJoy? Bev54 Mar 2022 #5
I was passing by CSPAN this morning and heard Kansas Sen Moran rurallib Mar 2022 #8
Does that mean we get rid of DeJoy? dhol82 Mar 2022 #9
We're all dreaming about that one. calimary Mar 2022 #11
So true. dhol82 Mar 2022 #13
as a certain starship captain would say,,"make it so". and i would add please, prety please . AllaN01Bear Mar 2022 #20
This cilla4progress Mar 2022 #12
YES! Ending the Bush-era bankruptcy plan is what I wanted to hear! Rejoice! Hekate Mar 2022 #21
You realize that the 2006 bill passed unanimously too MichMan Mar 2022 #32
Excellent! niyad Mar 2022 #14
H.R.3076 - POSTAL SERVICE REFORM ACT OF 2022 IronLionZion Mar 2022 #15
Non-Postal activities... Whatthe_Firetruck Mar 2022 #19
Bernie Sanders suggested it IronLionZion Mar 2022 #37
Hmmm that does not sound like republicans, to pass a bill like that. Mr. Sparkle Mar 2022 #16
Perhaps it finally dawned on them that the problems with the Postal Service PoindexterOglethorpe Mar 2022 #28
The rural areas MUST have a functioning Postal System FakeNoose Mar 2022 #38
I've lived rural my entire life... MiHale Mar 2022 #43
What? No punchline? dchill Mar 2022 #17
yay. AllaN01Bear Mar 2022 #18
Recommended. H2O Man Mar 2022 #22
This ... left-of-center2012 Mar 2022 #23
K&R spanone Mar 2022 #30
Time to send Louis on a DeJoyride Blue Owl Mar 2022 #31
And BeerBarrelPolka Mar 2022 #36
Thank God!!!! Demsrule86 Mar 2022 #35
Yes Magoo48 Mar 2022 #39
I'm SO glad this has passed! It's replacing a totally rotten law that Susan Collins BComplex Mar 2022 #41
Does it end the former requirement to pre-fund the employee pension fund for 75 years in the future? TheRickles Mar 2022 #42
All news stories I've read have ignored that item. LogicFirst Mar 2022 #47
That was never the reason for the deficit. former9thward Mar 2022 #52
Do you have a link for that? I've read numerous articles in recent years attributing their deficit TheRickles Mar 2022 #54
Here is a summary and link. former9thward Mar 2022 #55
Thank you! Appreciate the legwork in tracking this down. TheRickles Mar 2022 #56
Final vote was 79-19. BlueCheeseAgain Mar 2022 #45
The Senate likes this Bill because it puts US postal retirees on medicare, saving the USPS LogicFirst Mar 2022 #46
Does it prohibit Postal Banking? I heard Toomey inserted that provision /nt bucolic_frolic Mar 2022 #48
The bill that passed the Senate was jointly drafted by both and passed by the House first BumRushDaShow Mar 2022 #49
You always have all the answers! bucolic_frolic Mar 2022 #50
Thanks!! Retired fed. lol BumRushDaShow Mar 2022 #53

abqtommy

(14,118 posts)
4. It could persist but I won't hold my breath. I'd feel lots better if all the reTHUG Fascists
Tue Mar 8, 2022, 08:38 PM
Mar 2022

in and out of government were in jail or prison right now.

BigmanPigman

(51,585 posts)
7. Maybe the beginning of the end of that fuck face.
Tue Mar 8, 2022, 08:54 PM
Mar 2022

Tons of my mail was missing, including my stimulus check and tax refund.

PoindexterOglethorpe

(25,851 posts)
27. What stimulus check? I wasn't aware there was another in the pipeline.
Tue Mar 8, 2022, 10:31 PM
Mar 2022

I have my tax refund done as a direct deposit, and that's how my earlier stimulus "checks" were deposited. As well as Social Security. Waiting on mailed checks, even without a DeJoy mucking with the postal service, is not a good idea. Not when direct deposit gets the money there a lot faster and a lot more securely.

Heck, one reason Social Security went to direct deposit was that thieves would routinely steal the SS checks because they knew when they were due to arrive. Direct deposit eliminated that.

BigmanPigman

(51,585 posts)
29. This was the 2nd of the 3 from last year!
Tue Mar 8, 2022, 10:40 PM
Mar 2022

$600 check never got to me via USPS so the IRS said to have it taken out of your 2021 fed tax returns and I'd get it that way. Well I didn't get it that way either. Same thing happened with my 2 stimulus checks from my state. The problem with the state tax hotline is that they never answer your call, I've tried that for 6 months. So my checks didn't get to me and neither did my tax return. I know that the IRS is as understaffed and underpaid as the USPS is. Both need to be better funded. The IRS is still processing 6 million returns from 2021! So the rich 1% get away not being scrutinized and they are the biggest tax cheats.

PoindexterOglethorpe

(25,851 posts)
33. Ahh, thank you for that clarification.
Tue Mar 8, 2022, 10:56 PM
Mar 2022

I got my "checks" right on time, again as direct deposits.

I'm also reminded why my tax refund strategy is that I'd rather owe a bit, rather than giving a generous loan to the government, which is what people are doing if they are getting a large refund back.

BigmanPigman

(51,585 posts)
34. Since the USPS was responsible for the lost check
Tue Mar 8, 2022, 11:00 PM
Mar 2022

I used direct deposit for my federal refund and it still never came through. That is the IRS's fault. The 2 state checks were lost in the mail and that is the USPS fault. Both agencies suck.

PoindexterOglethorpe

(25,851 posts)
40. Darn.
Wed Mar 9, 2022, 03:09 AM
Mar 2022

I have personally had no problems with direct deposits, and I'm sorry that they've been a problem for you.

But depending on checks being mailed is not a good thing these days. Honestly, going for direct deposit usually works. I haven't gotten a check from the government in decades. Direct deposit works, it really does. At least for me.

A bit of an aside. About a decade ago, when I was working for the local hospital, I kept on being astonished at the employees who showed up on payday to pick up their checks. I kept on wanting to tell them that if they went with direct deposit, they'd have already had the money in their checking accounts. But nope. They'd show up week after week to pick up the check that they then had to take to their bank, and might well need to wait another day or two for the deposit to show up in their account. Really, direct deposit is the best. Maybe I'm unusual, but I have never had a problem with direct deposit.

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
44. I don't think so.
Wed Mar 9, 2022, 03:57 PM
Mar 2022

This bill doesn't confirm the President's nominees to the Postal Board. That is still needed, to get rid of DeJerk.

FoxNewsSucks

(10,429 posts)
24. They got what they wanted, thanks to manchin & sinema
Tue Mar 8, 2022, 10:17 PM
Mar 2022

no BBB.

More importantly, no voting rights legislation. Moscow Mitch & Co can now sit back and coast until they gain permanent power within a few years.

Any good being done now will be undone.

lastlib

(23,222 posts)
51. Two possibilities:
Wed Mar 9, 2022, 10:34 PM
Mar 2022

1) they know that some shit's about to hit their fan that will destroy them, and they're tippy-toeing around so as not to set it off, or;

2) they're about to spring some shit of their own, so they're tippy-toeing around so as not to spill the beans too early.

I hope it's the first one.

forgotmylogin

(7,527 posts)
25. That's sort of what I thought in reverse...
Tue Mar 8, 2022, 10:17 PM
Mar 2022

The GOP is so busy drywalling over any overt connections and supportive references to Russia they can't be bothered with their usual obstruction.

rurallib

(62,411 posts)
8. I was passing by CSPAN this morning and heard Kansas Sen Moran
Tue Mar 8, 2022, 09:20 PM
Mar 2022

speaking in favor of this bill. I had to pinch myself.

MichMan

(11,915 posts)
32. You realize that the 2006 bill passed unanimously too
Tue Mar 8, 2022, 10:46 PM
Mar 2022

Probably a lot of current office holders voted for that one too.

IronLionZion

(45,433 posts)
37. Bernie Sanders suggested it
Tue Mar 8, 2022, 11:04 PM
Mar 2022

but it's challenging to add more duties for their workforce without adding additional people or funding.

Mr. Sparkle

(2,932 posts)
16. Hmmm that does not sound like republicans, to pass a bill like that.
Tue Mar 8, 2022, 10:07 PM
Mar 2022

I wounder what poison pill those evil geniuses put in the bill for them to vote for it. At the very minimum im thinking tax breaks for their base

PoindexterOglethorpe

(25,851 posts)
28. Perhaps it finally dawned on them that the problems with the Postal Service
Tue Mar 8, 2022, 10:33 PM
Mar 2022

affected them every bit as much as everyone else.

FakeNoose

(32,634 posts)
38. The rural areas MUST have a functioning Postal System
Tue Mar 8, 2022, 11:08 PM
Mar 2022

This messed up USPS has been penalizing the rural states more than the urban areas. We city dwellers may have other options for mail and package delivery, but the rural areas don't. Also their internet is less reliable and more expensive. I'll bet they've been bitching up a storm, and the Senators are falling in line.

MiHale

(9,721 posts)
43. I've lived rural my entire life...
Wed Mar 9, 2022, 03:55 PM
Mar 2022

UPS delivers, FedEx delivers, post office delivers. Ok can’t do DoorDash or whatever but never had a problem getting packages except for normal goof-ups that would be found anywhere.

If I can order it online I can get it. Matter of fact to save the long drives, we order items factoring in the cost of fuel which can sometimes wipeout the shipping charges, if any.

BComplex

(8,049 posts)
41. I'm SO glad this has passed! It's replacing a totally rotten law that Susan Collins
Wed Mar 9, 2022, 01:50 PM
Mar 2022

pushed through years ago.

TheRickles

(2,059 posts)
42. Does it end the former requirement to pre-fund the employee pension fund for 75 years in the future?
Wed Mar 9, 2022, 02:08 PM
Mar 2022

That seemed to be the #1 reason the PO always operated at a deficit.

former9thward

(31,987 posts)
52. That was never the reason for the deficit.
Wed Mar 9, 2022, 10:57 PM
Mar 2022

Congress gave the PO a waiver in 2010 for that payment. The PO has never paid anything since. So although it was carried on the books as a debt it actually never affected the yearly cash flow. The PO runs as a deficit because of the internet. People simply do not use the mails as they once did.

TheRickles

(2,059 posts)
54. Do you have a link for that? I've read numerous articles in recent years attributing their deficit
Thu Mar 10, 2022, 09:10 AM
Mar 2022

to their future pension liabilities. Thanks.

former9thward

(31,987 posts)
55. Here is a summary and link.
Thu Mar 10, 2022, 10:18 AM
Mar 2022

MYTH: Without these burdensome requirements, the USPS would neither be losing money nor experiencing its current and/or pre-COVID cashflow crunch.

FACT: First, the PAEA contributions have no bearing on cashflow because the USPS is not making those contributions.

In the aftermath of the Great Recession, Congress reduced the 2009 contribution, and, when it refused to make any further changes, the USPS simply defaulted, that is, refused to pay the contributions mandated by the PAEA. That continues to be the case today. As it states in its 10-K, with respect to retirement benefits, “the Postal Service did not make any of these [required pension funding] payments in order to preserve liquidity to ensure that the ability to fulfill the primary universal service mission was not placed at undue risk”; with respect to contributions to the retiree medical fund, the USPS states, “As indicated above, the Postal Service recorded an expense for these amounts but did not make these payments in order to preserve liquidity to ensure that the ability to fulfill the primary universal service mission was not placed at undue risk.”

https://www.forbes.com/sites/ebauer/2020/04/14/post-office-pensions--some-key-myths-and-facts/?sh=4d6d8ada47f5

There is much more in the article. So as I said, yes there is a debt on paper but not in day to day operations. Day to day problems come from the low volume of mail as people shift to the internet and other services.

TheRickles

(2,059 posts)
56. Thank you! Appreciate the legwork in tracking this down.
Thu Mar 10, 2022, 11:58 AM
Mar 2022

It's from Forbes, so I'm expecting something of a pro-business slant, but I'm willing to learn.

BlueCheeseAgain

(1,654 posts)
45. Final vote was 79-19.
Wed Mar 9, 2022, 04:02 PM
Mar 2022

In favor were 50 Democrats/Independents and 29 Republicans. Opposed were 19 Republicans.

Similar numbers in House. All Democrats and a majority of Republicans in favor. A minority of Republicans opposed.

LogicFirst

(571 posts)
46. The Senate likes this Bill because it puts US postal retirees on medicare, saving the USPS
Wed Mar 9, 2022, 05:39 PM
Mar 2022

billions of dollars.

BumRushDaShow

(128,900 posts)
49. The bill that passed the Senate was jointly drafted by both and passed by the House first
Wed Mar 9, 2022, 09:49 PM
Mar 2022

so the same language was used for both the House and Senate versions so they wouldn't have to go back and forth trying to reconcile the versions.

Some about that provision from an earlier article (and the approach for dealing with that later) -

Senators reach bipartisan deal to overhaul USPS finances, tighten accountability requirements
An identical version of the legislation is advancing in the House, where it is said to have enough support to pass

By Jacob Bogage
May 19, 2021 at 5:44 p.m. EDT

(snip)

Liberal House Democrats had pushed the chamber’s bill sponsors to take a more sweeping approach to postal reform, including discussions about consistently providing the mail agency with congressional appropriations. The Postal Service generally does not take taxpayer funding and subsists on the sale of mail and package products.

But House leaders, including Rep. Carolyn B. Maloney (D-N.Y.), who led the mail coalition, wanted to bring Republicans along in the effort and opted for a more moderate approach. The legislation authorizes the Postal Service to offer non-mailing services to local governments, such as the sale of hunting and fishing permits, a priority for the liberal wing of the party. However, the new bipartisan deal does not incorporate a pilot program for banking services, a larger priority for liberals, or include resources or transparency requirements for election mail handling.

Maloney split off some of those components, along with $8 billion in funding for an electric vehicle fleet, into a separate bill that also has the requisite support to pass the House. The Senate has not taken up that legislation.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2021/05/19/usps-senate-bipartisan-agreement/


Here is a recent article on where the Postal Banking initiative is (apparently they had a limited pilot test) -

Unimpressed with post office banking trial, backers eye new initiative
House provision would fund tests of various financial services at urban and rural post offices



By Caitlin Reilly
Posted March 1, 2022 at 9:00am

As lawmakers work on finishing fiscal 2022 appropriations, they’ll have to decide whether to keep a House spending provision that would allow some post offices to offer more financial services. Coming in the wake of a largely ignored U.S. Postal Service test of a check-cashing service, a new initiative could test whether the Postal Service can attract millions of Americans who now lack banking services, serve areas largely vacated by banks and make money by doing so. Those tests depend on the Senate going along with the $6 million for a pilot project in the House’s fiscal 2022 Financial Services appropriations bill. Lawmakers are trying to finish the appropriations work before the current continuing resolution expires on March 11.

“We are looking to provide very basic services at post offices across our country because they are in every neighborhood,” said Rep. Marcy Kaptur, D-Ohio. “We're looking at simple things like cashing their check, or paying a utility bill or selling a savings bond.” The House proposal would allow five rural and five urban post offices to offer nonbank services such as free ATMs, wire transfers, check cashing and bill payments. Post offices already sell money orders. Proponents of postal banking hope the test does better than one the Postal Service launched in September, offering check cashing in four East Coast urban and suburban sites. Customers cashed six checks, generating $35.70 in fees, according to a Postal Service regulatory filing in January. The pilot capped the amount at $500, charged a $5.95 fee and required users to buy a gift card.

“I don't know whether a pilot can be called a serious pilot if it's not in a neighborhood that actually has demand for the services,” said Porter McConnell, the Take on Wall Street Campaign director at Americans for Financial Reform. McConnell, who in 2020 co-founded the Save the Post Office Coalition, said high fees, the low limit on gift card amounts and the absence of advertising also undermined the pilot. “The checks cashed need to get up to $2,000. It needs to be a lot cheaper. It needs to be cheaper than Walmart, not $2 more expensive. It needs to be in neighborhoods that need it,” McConnell said. “It needs to be advertised. It needs to be sent out in mailers. At the very least, some posters, some signage. That is all very basic.”

Postal banking is a catchall term for financial services offered through the Postal Service, including checking and savings accounts, small loans, and nonbank services such as cash machines or check cashing. Research by the University of Michigan in May 2021 found that 60 million people live in a census tract with a post office but not a bank branch. From 2008 to 2020, more than 13,000 bank branches closed, according to the National Community Reinvestment Coalition. In 2017, 8.4 million households lacked a savings and checking account — the definition of unbanked — and another 24.2 million households had a bank account — the underbanked — but still used alternative financial services such as payday loans, according to the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation. More recent FDIC studies lack comparable data on underbanked households.

https://rollcall.com/2022/03/01/unimpressed-with-usps-banking-trial-backers-eye-new-initiative/


The new "pilot" had a cost of $6 million and they were hoping to get it into the upcoming FY2022 government appropriations bill that is something like 2700 pages long, so have to dig around to see if something that "piddly" survived the cut.

bucolic_frolic

(43,144 posts)
50. You always have all the answers!
Wed Mar 9, 2022, 09:55 PM
Mar 2022

Apologies I should do my own Googling, but you do give great service to the DU community.

Seems to me at one time one could cash a postal money order at the post office. I recall cashing one once but shortly after they had warnings of counterfeit money orders, and I guess PayPal took away their business anyway. Must have been about 2002.

BumRushDaShow

(128,900 posts)
53. Thanks!! Retired fed. lol
Thu Mar 10, 2022, 06:31 AM
Mar 2022

You can still buy and cash postal money orders at a post office - https://www.usps.com/shop/money-orders.htm

For those without banking and not paying utilities or other bills in-person / with cash, this is usually what they end up doing - buying a money order.

I also remember back in the day buying (American Express) "travelers checks" from them too and that was a long time ago!

Some outlets (like the one near me) offer passport processing services where they have someone deputized by the Dept. of State to accept payment for the passport application, verify identity/citizenship documents (and some will even take the picture for a fee), sign off on passport applications/renewals, and for an additional fee, will then send the passport application package to a Passport Office for final processing.

What I think the "banking" initiative is trying to do is have USPS manage deposits and provide checking capability like a "bank". This is because the proliferation of postal retail outlets throughout the country offers more access to populations in rural areas and dense urban areas without banking access, where those individuals often miss out on financial transactions that require or operate fastest by using direct deposits (like tax refunds or the previous stimulus payments).

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