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NNadir

(33,518 posts)
4. This is highly misleading, since the use of wind energy relies completely on access...
Wed Mar 9, 2022, 02:22 AM
Mar 2022

...to dangerous fossil fuels, notably dangerous natural gas.

Right now, both Germany and Denmark are burning coal, even though Denmark is an offshore oil and gas drilling hellhole.

As of this writing, the carbon intensity of Germany, a country that has been sending billions upon billions of Euros to Putin because it replaced its clean infrastructure with wind energy, is 481 g CO2/kwh. Electricity Map, Germany (3/9/22, 7:01 AM Berlin time).



Similarly, this is true of Denmark, which as of 7:12AM Copenhagen time has a carbon intensity of 338 g CO2/kwh.



In fact, the reason that the wind industry has proved useless in addressing climate change is its dependence on dangerous fossil fuels.

French electricity, by contrast with these two highly dangerous fossil fuel dependent countries, Denmark and Germany, has as of this writing a carbon intensity of 94 g CO2/kwh.

Vaclav Smil said it best about the lie that wind energy industry is sustainable:

Vaclav Smil: What I See When I See A Wind Turbine.



I love Ms. Midler, in general, but like most entertainers she has at best, a very low level understanding of energy.

Denmark and Germany have the highest electricity prices in the OECD. This effects the poorest in either country.

The longer we make excuses for the fact that wind and solar have, at the expense of trillions of dollars, not even counting the money sent to Putin, the longer we will screw all future generations with climate change.

Facts matter.

NNadir

(33,518 posts)
6. Please see the link from Vaclav Smil in my post. If you need to build two systems to do what one...
Wed Mar 9, 2022, 02:53 AM
Mar 2022

...can do, it is neither environmentally nor economically sound.

About 25% of climate change is generally accepted to result from land use changes. The wind industry in particular, takes huge stretches virgin wilderness and converts into industrial parks laced with access roads for diesel trucks, to install infrastructure that will not be functional, in general in 25, having been converted into landfill.

We have spent well over three trillion dollars on this planet in the period between 2004 and 2019 with the result that the rate of climate change is accelerating, not decelerating.

Source: UNEP/Bloomberg: Global Trends in Renewable Energy.

I manually entered the figures in the bar graph in figure 8 to see how much money we've thrown at this destructive affectation since 2004 (up to 2019): It works out to 3.2633 trillion dollars, more than President Biden has wisely recommended for the improvement of all infrastructure in the entire United States.

In 2004, the 12 month running average for 10 year increases in the concentrations of the dangerous fossil fuel waste, based on the weekly data from the Mauna Loa CO2 observatory was (week 8): 18.82 ppm/10 years. Last week it was 24.68 ppm/10 years.

How do I know? Because I keep track. I enter the updated data from the Mauna Loa Carbon Dioxide Observatory every Sunday into a spreadsheet I keep for that purpose to do calculations. I'm not relying on chanting slogans year after year, decade after decade about climate change. I rely on data.

Proponents of the wind and solar industry often, almost always, cheer for their destructive infrastructure by citing peak watts a unit of power, not energy, as if these systems ever reach this power output. They never do. Right now, in Germany, the capacity utilization of wind energy is 11.31% of rated capacity, 7.27 GW/64.3 GW.

Hence they are burning coal at the expense of all future generations.

Facts matter.

Let's be clear on something, OK?

So called "renewable energy" - the name of this form of energy is itself a lie, since its mass and land intensity make it anything but "renewable" - was never about either addressing climate change or fossil fuels. It was about an irrational an ill informed hatred of the only sustainable and clean form of energy left to the human race, nuclear energy.

I personally consider anti-nukes to be the moral and intellectual equivalents of anti-vaxxers. They use selective attention to justify their fear and ignorance. Meanwhile, while they carry on about Fukushima and Chernobyl, around 7 million people die each year from air pollution without a single expression of terror on their part.

Here's my standard citation of this reality:

Global burden of 87 risk factors in 204 countries and territories, 1990–2019: a systematic analysis for the Global Burden of Disease Study 2019 (Lancet Volume 396, Issue 10258, 17–23 October 2020, Pages 1223-1249). This study is a huge undertaking and the list of authors from around the world is rather long. These studies are always open sourced; and I invite people who want to carry on about Fukushima to open it and search the word "radiation." It appears once. Radon, a side product brought to the surface by fracking while we all wait for the grand so called "renewable energy" nirvana that did not come, is not here and won't come, appears however: Household radon, from the decay of natural uranium, which has been cycling through the environment ever since oxygen appeared in the Earth's atmosphere.

Here is what it says about air pollution deaths in the 2019 Global Burden of Disease Survey, if one is too busy to open it oneself because one is too busy carrying on about Fukushima:

The top five risks for attributable deaths for females were high SBP (5·25 million [95% UI 4·49–6·00] deaths, or 20·3% [17·5–22·9] of all female deaths in 2019), dietary risks (3·48 million [2·78–4·37] deaths, or 13·5% [10·8–16·7] of all female deaths in 2019), high FPG (3·09 million [2·40–3·98] deaths, or 11·9% [9·4–15·3] of all female deaths in 2019), air pollution (2·92 million [2·53–3·33] deaths or 11·3% [10·0–12·6] of all female deaths in 2019), and high BMI (2·54 million [1·68–3·56] deaths or 9·8% [6·5–13·7] of all female deaths in 2019). For males, the top five risks differed slightly. In 2019, the leading Level 2 risk factor for attributable deaths globally in males was tobacco (smoked, second-hand, and chewing), which accounted for 6·56 million (95% UI 6·02–7·10) deaths (21·4% [20·5–22·3] of all male deaths in 2019), followed by high SBP, which accounted for 5·60 million (4·90–6·29) deaths (18·2% [16·2–20·1] of all male deaths in 2019). The third largest Level 2 risk factor for attributable deaths among males in 2019 was dietary risks (4·47 million [3·65–5·45] deaths, or 14·6% [12·0–17·6] of all male deaths in 2019) followed by air pollution (ambient particulate matter and ambient ozone pollution, accounting for 3·75 million [3·31–4·24] deaths (12·2% [11·0–13·4] of all male deaths in 2019), and then high FPG (3·14 million [2·70–4·34] deaths, or 11·1% [8·9–14·1] of all male deaths in 2019).


This works out to about 19,000 deaths per day, more than Covid killed on its worst day.

Nuclear energy need not be without risk to be vastly superior to all other options. It only needs to be vastly superior to all other options, which it is.

Again, facts matter.

Thanks for asking.

herding cats

(19,564 posts)
7. Something tells me you'd have a lot to say about Germany's nuclear phaseout.
Wed Mar 9, 2022, 03:41 AM
Mar 2022

I worried it was a reckless choice at the time. Not because I know anything about the industry, but because there was a well organized propaganda campaign coming - I suspect - out of Russia driving the tide there. Which always left me feeling they were being manipulated into a mistake and shouldn't rush it. Not that it would change their current circumstances much, but every bit will help in the coming days, weeks and years. Antidotally, even before the invasion of Ukraine energy prices were so high in Germany this winter, homes with older coal furnaces which still functioned were using them again since it was cheaper than their electricity. Which was just more carbon above and beyond the coal Germany uses to make electricity. Their energy situation is a mess they'll be sorting out for many years to come.

Of course you're correct about natural gas being used as a secondary energy supply for solar and wind. They're both intermittent and when they're not producing it has to come in to fill the void. People forget there's always an alternative source(s) as the backup.

NNadir

(33,518 posts)
10. I have said a lot on this topic over in the Science and EE forum.
Wed Mar 9, 2022, 07:39 AM
Mar 2022

These things can be found in my journal here, albeit it may be difficult to sort through to find comments specifically on Germany. I write a lot, and often in a technical fashion.

The German nuclear phase out was actually a crime in my view, since the use of dangerous fossil fuels kills people whenever the are used.

PufPuf23

(8,776 posts)
8. Agree that facts matter and also you are a very smart guy.
Wed Mar 9, 2022, 03:59 AM
Mar 2022

Too bad you cannot accept that current nuclear technologies are an expensive, environmentally destructive dead end best set aside for now. Humans at present are not capable of character of honestly and safely using nuclear technologies, in war nor peace.

Time to get serious on the other options available.

NNadir

(33,518 posts)
9. The statements you make are tiresome dogma. You clearly know almost nothing about nuclear...
Wed Mar 9, 2022, 07:33 AM
Mar 2022

technology,

I do.

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