I've just looked at the TASS website.

[Tomconroy]

I'm not going to do links but I think you can get an idea of what they're thinking by seeing what kind of stories they are printing. I think they are starting to look for a way out.
I could be wrong though.

[lagomorph777]

1. You seem to spend a lot of time there.

[lagomorph777]

3. I don't need to read Putin's lies.

I'd rather respond to his actual behaviors.

[Tomconroy]

5. By doing what? I think we need to send American air power. You?

[uponit7771]

8. UKR war isn't being affected by airpower like they are with shelling. If URK owned the air

... it wouldn't make a difference to Russian shelling of civ areas.

That's what needs to be shut down, the RA artillery not the air space ... cause RuAF sucks and keeps getting their planes shot down.

[Happy Hoosier]

13. What?

If UKR owned the airspace, Russian artillery would be so much scrap metal.

I mean, the whole point of air dominance is to allow ground attack with vastly reduced risk.

I've been in tactical aviation for about 35 years now, and one thing you learn very early is that while fighters are sexy, it's the attack aircraft that win wars. The fighters are there is enable attack aircraft to execute their missions.

[uponit7771]

14. No it wouldn't, RA artillery is mobile first it has to be found

I mean, the whole point of air dominance is to allow ground attack with vastly reduced risk.

Again, that's not a factor with RuAF cause they suck. They keep getting their close in support shot down ... cause they suck

I've been in tactical aviation for about 35 years now, and one thing you learn very early is that while fighters are sexy, it's the attack aircraft that win wars. The fighters are there is enable attack aircraft to execute their missions.

Its harder to kill MANPAD AAGM with air superiority ... shit, finding them is damn near impossible using RuAF equipment.

This is a WW3 and we're looking at new tactics where strategy from the 2000s don't work.

[Happy Hoosier]

15. LOL.... sure.

I 100% guarantee that is UKR had air dominance (though they are unlikely to ever get it, IMO), the shelling where they have it would be vastly reduced. That is, if the UKR air forces have any competence at all.

If the US or NATO forces were doing it, the artillery would be shredded. It would take longer with UKR's resources, but THAT IS THE MISSION. Artillery is big. it is hard to hide.

[uponit7771]

20. Again, its not 00 they don't need "air dominance" when the RuAF isn't affective except at single

... missions with unguided bombs into civ areas.

Yes some big heavy expensive Mig 29s would look good but RA has MPAD AAGM too ... AND .. they just as effective as ours.

I've been screaming this on every site I can find and think UKR request for "no fly zone" to them might mean artillery too which it doesn't in NATO lingo.

Putrid wouldn't honor a NFZ anyway and what Americans REALLY are asking for is CAPs and no damn way anyone is getting into that shit.

We're looking at new conventional war being fought in UKR were expensive, heavy, hard to train on and shiny shit aint gonna work any longer.

Hell, even the east UKR Russian forces are starting to fight dismounted ... their APC and MBTs are death traps.

[Happy Hoosier]

25. Urban fighting always means infantry.

Always has. Just look at Fallujah.

Now yes, UKR force would be vulnerable to to MANPADS. This is a reason US force typically employ stand-off weapons until quite late in the fight. BUT.... assets like field artillery are very vulnerable to air power. And mobile artillery requires a higher level of expertise and maintenance.

I don't see how a "No Fly Zone" would mean artillery... except AAA. But I think we should be supplying better AAA to the Ukrainians regardless.

[uponit7771]

27. Correct, NATO lingo NFZ doesn't include artillery but UKR isn't part of NATO and still have RU ...

... lingo as a standard.

They might be thinking a CAP or NFZ would shut down what's really hurting the urban areas and that's RA mobile artillery.

And mobile artillery requires a higher level of expertise and maintenance.

Yep, which I think is the one of the ... ONLY ... thing the RU is doing right according to their punk ass fighting doctrine is flooding theatres with with mobile artillery so they can flatten urban zones.

Its hard to find and moves before air assets can blow it up

NATO has anti artillery radar and I think UKR is getting some patriot systems this week.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

29. One correction here,

the 2 Patriot systems are going to Poland to augment the 2 already there.

[uponit7771]

31. ... sssshhhhhit.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

33. Yeah, me too,

I'd rather see them deployed to Ukraine, but the logistics would be very difficult, training, resupply of ordinance expended, etc.

With the Patriots, the Ukrainians could establish their own no fly zone, which, IMO, would be the optimum alternative to a NATO led CAP.

[Happy Hoosier]

35. I think the place to start is a humanitarian exclusion zone in Western Ukraine.

The Russians are not operating there. That's the place to start.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

36. Agreed. nt

[Doc Sportello]

26. This is something that is an ongoing thing

This poster likes to infer that some posters on here are somehow not patriotic enough or are in fact Putin's trolls and has hides for such. So it does no good to respond. Understanding what is going on with the other side is doing is just good strategy, from chess to war. So there is nothing wrong with what you did.

[uponit7771]

6. It's beein reported on more than just DU that TASS has changed its tune a little. We need to know

... what the enemy is thinking.

I look at FAUX too, a lot of times dems are caught flat footed at their stupid shit but it can be cut off at the knees like Biden did during the presser yesterday.

We always need to gather intel

[Tomconroy]

7. Why wouldn't people want to read? Don't understand it.

[uponit7771]

10. Its in English too and for instance the impact of McD pulling out is harder hitting than any economi

... economic sanctions so far.

10s of thousands of jobs and prestige gone from Russian in less than a month ... its sending a message louder than oil sanctions.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

11. Please quit calling it a no fly zone,

the proper term is CAP, (Combat Air Patrol).

[Tomconroy]

22. Whatever. I want US planes in the skies.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

23. You already know my position on a CAP over Ukraine,

and while I respect your right to you opinion, I vehemently disagree.

[uponit7771]

28. This is what happens when a message zone is flooded with information that isn't correct. Even

... people who are pretty objective its hard to change their minds

I don't know even if UKR had air control that CAPs would work cause RA has MPAD AAGM too and they're almost as effective as NATOs

Its text book anchoring bias ... the GZP are beast at it ... put a bunch of wrong information out there flood a message zone with it.

Even on OSINT its hard to change peoples minds

[MarineCombatEngineer]

30. +100. nt

[Tomconroy]

16. I try to be nice but you've managed to bring out the former

litigator in me. I'm going to edit my responses. Sorry

[marie999]

34. I spend 1 hour every couple of days reading TASS and Pravda.

I have done it since 1962 as a Russian linguistic the 528th Military Intelligence Unit working in special intelligence. I stopped after the fall of the Soviet Union but started again in 2000. Know your enemy. Of course, both are managed by the Russian government and there is a lot of propaganda in them but you learn what Putin is telling the Russian people.

[lagomorph777]

37. Yes; you're not telling us to go read it 'cause Putin says he's ready to "negotiate"

Analyzing the enemy is entirely different than promoting the enemy's propaganda.

[lapfog_1]

4. they have only one way out now

kill or arrest Putin and his top advisors... if they arrest Putin they must hand him over to the Hague.

In addition they must put all of Ukraine borders back to 2009 (give up Crimea).

And pay $1 Trillion USD over 10 years to rebuild Ukraine and to compensate the people of Ukraine.

[mainer]

9. Can you summarize for us?

I'd like to know

[Tomconroy]

18. For one, they have a story saying a Turkish official

hopes tomorrow in Turkey lead to a ceasefire.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

19. Why?

Because Russia is known for honoring ceasefire's in this illegal invasion?

[Tomconroy]

21. Don't know

But I looked again. There are 5 stories about peace talks. Plus one about how they don't want to overthrow Zelensky. Don't know exactly what it means but it's a bunch of stories

[MarineCombatEngineer]

24. If Daddy Vladdy says one thing,

then you can be sure he means the exact opposite and I don't trust a single word coming out of his piehole.

[marie999]

39. Tass articles are almost always propaganda.

Read them to know what he is telling the Russian people. I did read one article that I think is not propaganda, it was on the mating habits of Far Eastern Leopards.

[mainer]

17. Well, I just went there

I'm disgusted.
"Ukraine militants impede evacuation of citizens."

[lagomorph777]

38. Odd, then, that some DUers are promoting it.

[JoanofArgh]

32. Early this morning , MSNBC was broadcasting British channel Sky News Breakfast and

they showed a presser with the Russian ambassador to the UK. She mostly blabbed about ridiculous stuff like the American/ Ukraine bioweapons labs but I agree it is helpful to see what the other side is saying, even from a propagandistic country like Russia.