General Discussion
Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsFear creates indecision.
NATO is hesitant to help Ukraine with more fighter jets because they are fearful of how Russia might react. Will Russia resort to a nuclear attack? The fear freezes them in place. And the situation gets worse by degree.
Just as in this country, the DOJ is frozen by fear about charging Donald Trump with any crimes. Will it only further divide the nation? Might it cause another civil war? And the situation worsens with each passing day. But everyone knows, something has to be done.
With the threat from Russia, we hope and expect that the military people in charge of nuclear weapons are talking with each other. We cannot make military moves until we have certain guarantees and assurances that a nuclear attack will not be triggered. There will be no winners in a nuclear attack.
But, sooner or later, both NATO and the DOJ will have to act. They will either have to take an emergency vote to permit Ukraine into NATO, in which case further attacks by Russia on Ukraine soil would be considered an attack upon NATO. If that does not work, then Poland's MIG-29s should be sent to Ukraine, even if they are sent thru Ramstein Air Base in Germany.
The channel with the people in charge of nuclear weapons must always remain open.
Putin must understand that NATO will act. He should have no doubt. They must stop their aggression and move back to within their own borders.
Irish_Dem
(46,955 posts)It is a successful strategy.
NewHendoLib
(60,014 posts)If Putin wants to call lots of what is already being done "war", he will. Is there actually a hard fast line where he will say "this is war, this is not"? Are we not watching what is happening and possibly considering that this is NOT war crimes?
I know there is a fog of war - I know that the videos and news plays on our emotions - we are human.
But....are we really going to just wait out Russia before we do more to help? Are we going to continue to watch people get slaughtered?
Sometimes, I am just embarrassed for our species. (Often, more accurately).
Same thing is happening here in the US with respect to TFG. He gets handled with kid gloves - his broad daylight crimes go unpunished? Why?
It all makes me sick.
world wide wally
(21,740 posts)Crunchy Frog
(26,579 posts)Happy Hoosier
(7,295 posts)It's good to display prudence. It's terrible to display fear.
Be deliberate in one's actions. But NEVER look like the reason for holding back is fear.
Biden has done a good job here EXCEPT for this, IMHO. At times it looks like the U.S. is a little too driven by a fear of confrontation.
Bullies use fear as a primary weapon.
kentuck
(111,079 posts)It looks like they are just throwing something on the wall to see if anything sticks. If the US wants to be a part of NATO, then they have a shared responsibility. They need to find a way to get the MIGS to Ukraine.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Literally. They're not telling anyone.
kentuck
(111,079 posts)You are entitled to your opinion.
The future will tell. I hope you are correct.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Budi
(15,325 posts)How is it you know this to be fact?
"Frozen by fear".
Stop it. OK? You don't actually know this.
I appreciate the DOJ NOT advertising every plan they have.
Doubt they were 'frozen by fear' when they brought down Enrique Tarrio.
"Just as in this country, the DOJ is frozen by fear about charging Donald Trump with any crimes"
kentuck
(111,079 posts)I was under the general impression that it was mostly comments and opinions?
If we are looking for "facts", we can always read the LBN.
But, I do not believe the DOJ should be exempt from criticism. Hopefully, they will prove us wrong.
Budi
(15,325 posts)To accuse the DOJ of being 'Frozen in Fear' of Trump is just a bit of a stretch considering that the AG of the DOJ is under the appointment of President Biden.
Actually the diss that our DOJ is acting out of 'fear', without source or proof nor knowledge of the business of the DOJ behind closed doors, is following in line with the armchairing on social media.
"Yesterday I was a Foreign Policy expert, Today I'm an expert on the Dept of Justice!. Tomorrow's anybody's guess"..
kentuck
(111,079 posts)I can accept that.
I do not claim to be an "expert" on anything. I give my opinions. If you do not wish to read them, you can block them. My feelings will not be hurt.
It's your decision.
Its a bit dramatic.
"DOJ is FROZEN IN FEAR OF TRUMP"
Your words.
You could have said that from the start without personal attacks and people could accept your comments as having merit or not.
That's the point of a discussion group.
Budi
(15,325 posts)...ripe for Politico style drama gotcha headers for clicks & profit.
And it is without proof nor source.
You'll recover.
kentuck
(111,079 posts)Really?
I doubt that I am the only person that might think they are fearful of charging Trump or many of his associates. I might think we have been too patient with the DOJ. You have the right to disagree. I might think justice delayed is justice denied. After all, it has been over 14 months since the attack upon our Capitol. Some might think they are moving rather slowly, under the circumstances. You might disagree. There might be a new Congress after November and the Committee and the investigation could come to an end? But, that would be no reason to criticize the DOJ. They did their best.
Again, this is General Discussion. It is not required to have sources or proof in order to comment or express an opinion.
Budi
(15,325 posts)"DOJ FROZEN IN FEAR OF TRUMP"
Frozen in fear
You know this how?
Ignore...
kentuck
(111,079 posts)And I never put it in CAPS?
I can only assume you do not think they are fearful of prosecuting Trump and his associates?
It never crossed their mind that it might create more division in the country, perhaps even a civil war?
Time will tell, I suppose?
Biophilic
(3,647 posts)denied what he wanted. Negotiating from fear is not a useful strategy.
sarisataka
(18,621 posts)NATO doesn't have to do anything. Ukraine is not a member, NATO has no obligation to defend or admit them.
I think you are suggesting the general in charge of nuclear weapons in the US and Russia are maintaining back channel communications to prevent nuclear war even if ordered to launch an attack. While certainly noble and beneficial to the world as a whole, wouldn't those generals be committing treason against their respective countries?
kentuck
(111,079 posts)True.
But should they?
sarisataka
(18,621 posts)We should. Countries however have very different risk analysis than individuals. The wrong move can turn a minor incident into a world war e.g.1914
Also this is merely one of many conflicts in the world. Most have been going on longer and several have more deaths and destruction. Should we make all of them NATO members?
Larger countries could intervene in all of these but the track record of imposing peace has not been good for the last several decades.
kentuck
(111,079 posts)We must be careful not to treat the Russian people in a similar manner.
sarisataka
(18,621 posts)Was all but inevitable. I have seen too many posts already about the harsh terms we should dictate to Russia after their inevitable capitulation.
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)kentuck
(111,079 posts)In my opinion, we should not be telling Putin what we will or will not do.
Also, I think we are already at war. If he is permitted to take Ukraine, there is no reason to believe he will stop there. History gives us direction if we only read it.
But some decisions can be very painful. That is why they are so hard to make.
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)Not a very effective plan, so far, but that is definitely his plan.
Please explain how the DOJ is frozen in fear. TY.