I learned on my TV that sending old MIGs to Ukraine is high risk.

[Stinky The Clown]

SO IS LIVING IN UKRAINE WHERE RUSSIANS ARE KILLING CIVILIANS AND BOMBING HOSPITALS

[Stinky The Clown]

1. Russia ADMITS it bombed maternity hospital!

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100216462530

[JustAnotherGen]

2. I needed to see this picture

The world does.

I've only seen these human beings under white sheets.

[Wingus Dingus]

3. Why make noise about planes for weeks

and then decide, no--planes not worth the risk? Something happened behind the scenes. That has to be the case.

[brush]

4. They just have to figure out a way to make the transfer without...

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a NATO countries' hands being on it. A non-NATO nation has to sign a sale/transfer agreement, then non-NATO pilots have to fly them from Poland to a non-aligned airfield, then from there to Ukraine through non-NATO airspace.

It can get done and I hope VP Harris, on her way there, can make it happen.

[gay texan]

11. Precisely n/t

[kentuck]

5. Maybe it was just meant to give Putin something to think about?

If all the fighter jets looked the same, how would you know which one to shoot down?

[DetroitLegalBeagle]

13. IFF

IFF systems identify aircraft. Relying in visual id isn't possible in most situations so its done electronically through encrypted transponders.

[kentuck]

15. Thanks DLB !

I did not know that.

[sarisataka]

7. Does the family not look dead enough?

[Chainfire]

10. I believe what I see, and I don't see dead on the guy being hovered over. I could be wrong,

It is a long way from my house to that fellow.

That doesn't mean that I don't support the Ukrainians. I am a confirmed tightwad and I just sent them money.....

You have to be skeptical of everything you see coming out of a war zone, from either side. I am not insulting the Ukrainians, but I have studied wars for over half a century and Mr. Churchill got it right when he said, "In wartime, truth is so precious that she should always be attended by a bodyguard of lies." Propaganda will be generated on both sides, it is an integral part of war.

If you really believe all of the good stuff, and none of the bad stuff about either side, you are not executing good judgement. I can tell you right now, without any evidence, that there will be war crimes committed by Ukrainians too; don't think that they will all behave like all saints. War brings out the very worst in the fighters. Especially when the fighting becomes close quarters combat, it becomes a cycle of atrocity and revenge. It is the way it is and the way it always has been. C'est la Guerre.

[sarisataka]

14. I am extremely skeptical of reports from a war zone

Each side has reason to lie and most reporters don't know what they are talking about so just pass on what they are told.

This incident however was caught on video and the same picture was on the front page of NYT. At the time this photo was taken the man was alive (I don't know if he survived) but his wife and two children were dead.

You have no need to preach to me about what happens in a war zone. I'll leave it to you to infer the meaning behind that.

[egduj]

8. You suspect this is a staged photo?

[Stinky The Clown]

9. Of course you're right. All a show. That Zelensky was a comedian, you know. A real kidder.

I can't believe you suggested what you just suggested.

[Chainfire]

12. Yes, I suggested it as a possibility, if you have conflicting information, please share it.

[Stinky The Clown]

17. I usually ignore retorts such as you just posted, but in this case, I can't

There was a first hand witness. The photographer is a Pulitzer prize winning veteran war correspondent for the New York Times.

The image of the Sunday attack in Irpin, Ukraine, was captured by New York Times photojournalist Lynsey Addario, who has been documenting the Russian invasion since it began.

Addario has been sharing her experience in the moments before and after she witnessed the mortar hit the family, who, laden with backpacks and suitcases, were fleeing over the Irpin River to Kyiv when they were attacked.

https://www.boston.com/news/world-news/2022/03/08/lynsey-addario-photo-mother-two-children-killed-ukraine/

I believe her and give zero credence to your opinion. You would do well to delete it. Its reflects badly on you.

You will not get another reply from me. I am disgustedly done with you.

[Wingus Dingus]

16. There was a New York Times reporter nearby who witnessed the attack--

I saw it on BBC. The mortar or rocket, whichever it was, can be seen whizzing by with flames, and then the videographer filmed the aftermath. Here is the interview of this journalist:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1017718192